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Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

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posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Bigwhammy
 


so when atheists defend ourselves against allegations we're making "sermons" now?

the post you call a "sermon" seems to be more of an explanation than anything else...


Nope,, I think whammy is right,, looked like she was preaching to me.

I understand the reluctance to admit to being a religion though madd,, I mean the moment you do,, we will use that to kick that silly science that hasn't provided a single solitary benefit for mankind other then to cover its own ass for fraud, out of public schools saying Atheist use it to brainwash kids with an atheist religion.


- Con




posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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You are right Albert was not a Christian



I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists,


However that's a far cry from Atheism. Considering the orderly harmony of the universe that Einstein is talking about , no reasonable scientist can be...

Take it up with Albert.

In eternity...



posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by andre18


Sorry guy but like I said,, Atheism is a religion and

Madd goes around saying Atheist like to raise consiouness,, sounds like a religious sales pitch to me. The way they knock down Christians and Christianity, it seems to me you are competing for congregation members while you ridicule the competition.

Atheism is a RELIGION

GOT IT? Good,, get used to hearing often in the very near future from us "Fundies" ,, seems we have had that same sentiment you describe in the start of your post. Only I think most of em are just plane sick of athiests period. That goes for their "world view" too

Oh yeah,, you can't have it both ways guy,, you want us to observe the law for such things as separation of Church and State, then

Expect me to observe the law when I call Atheism a damn religion

IT'S THE LAW!


Monday, 22 August 2005
Court rules atheism a religion
Topic: Response to Media
Court rules atheism a religion


It's official law of the land, Atheism is a religion says the the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court decided the inmate's First Amendment rights were violated because the prison refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists.

Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, called the court's ruling "a sort of Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence."

"Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion," said Fahling.

The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described "secular humanism" as a religion.

Now you have it! The church has been saying this for years.


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- Love Con



posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 10:09 AM
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From people, I find continuous experiences, testimonies, and memories about the after life and reincarnation. But, it appears that those experiences are "created" for their Earthly belief systems.

If every person (don't matter what their belief system is) that died is contacted by "God", then we may assume that "God" exists or the experience is artificially created by those(aliens, light beings, interdimensional beings, etc...) who control souls like a computer would control people in a matrix. But, every person that dies or has an out of the body experience DOESN'T contact "God", so we may then KNOW that those "God" experiences are being artificially created for only those that believe don't matter if they "supported a religion" or not.

My take on things is that a lot of the really good sci-fi movies are based on the truth and are shown to us (the masses) because they (the human powers that be) want us to know that general idea of real truthful information. So yes, there is a real matrix, but it involves something WAY more advanced that just an assembly of computer chips. The mere fact that String Theory, Worm Holes, Star Gates, Time Travel, interdimensional travel, and souls that are only able to enter ONE body(their body) through there free will during an OBE(Out of the Body Experience) MEANS that this so called "reality" is being artificially controlled or even more so that this "reality" is completely articial in the first place!



posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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Thanks Con... I didn't know it was that official. And Riley said I was picking on her when I called it a religion. Well the law of the land agrees that Atheism is a Religon. Cool.

I guess since it all official and everything it would be more appropriate to call the Dawkin's led "New Atheism" -- Radical Atheism or Atheist extremism...



posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by Conspiriology
 


Thanks Con... I didn't know it was that official. And Riley said I was picking on her when I called it a religion.

Thats only one of many lies you've been caught telling now. I accused you of being biggoted when you accused atheists of being atheists just so they could be immoral.
The fact that you keep calling atheism a religion [in the tradtional sense not the bureaucratic one- there is a diufference] is illogical more than anything else.. and the fact that you've admitted saying things just to piss people off shows you do not posess enough maturity to engage in intelligent debates and only really serves to undermind your own credibilty. "So there!" doesn't cut it.

Well the law of the land agrees that Atheism is a Religon. Cool.

No.. it just agrees that there are a some people that do not believe or follow a religion or other belief system. As has been discussed before.. freedom of religion includes those who want freedom from religion. It is probably put in a religious category for government records ex. school, medical, employment, court, census etc. to ensure they have the same legal protections as everyone else.

[edit on 10-3-2008 by riley]



posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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Riley you act like your being persecuted for your religious beliefs --- oh wait a minute you are! But atheism isn't a religion. Oh wait yes it is if I am being criticized. Oh whatever! so there








[edit on 3/10/2008 by Bigwhammy]



posted on Mar, 10 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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We are persecuted [usually by christians] purely because we don't have religious beliefs or believe in a god. Not being christian is not a religion in itself.


[edit on 10-3-2008 by riley]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 12:38 AM
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I'm going to add a new question into the mix. This will mainly be targeted towards Christians.

Are you guys even worried about it? This is being asked because according to the prophecies, it will not be atheism that overthrows Christianity but a one world religion.

Do you think atheism really stands a chance in heck or do you feel the secularization of society is paving the way for people to 'ditch' Christianity in their youth therefore making it easier to accept the future one world religion everyone will be required to follow?

As they say, it is easier to teach than to unteach. So does 'atheism' create a 'blank slate' in regards to religious beliefs in order to open the door to faith once the 'lying signs and wonders' of the new religion are revealed?

Now that would be a conpiracy.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 12:54 AM
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It's official law of the land, Atheism is a religion says the the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.


LOL..what is this?......if Atheism was a religion then simply not believing in thepink flying invisible unicorn would be a religion......all this article proves is the ignorance of Americans......Anyway...The American court doesn't voice the world view on any subject......The Supreme Court can't simply decide on behalf of Europe - Asia and Africa what atheism is....lol.....who do they think they are...lol.....anyway......

Simply not believing in something doesn't make you religious......The Supreme Court must have some pretty stupid people in there LOLOL....

By this logic because nobody believes in Zeus then everyone in the world is religious …LOL…just so damn funny…..

[edit on 11-3-2008 by andre18]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by AshleyD
I'm going to add a new question into the mix. This will mainly be targeted towards Christians.

Are you guys even worried about it? This is being asked because according to the prophecies, it will not be atheism that overthrows Christianity but a one world religion.

Do you think atheism really stands a chance in heck or do you feel the secularization of society is paving the way for people to 'ditch' Christianity in their youth therefore making it easier to accept the future one world religion everyone will be required to follow?

As they say, it is easier to teach than to unteach. So does 'atheism' create a 'blank slate' in regards to religious beliefs in order to open the door to faith once the 'lying signs and wonders' of the new religion are revealed?

Now that would be a conspiracy.



Ashley I,, will send you piles and piles of research but because it's of a spiritual nature I don't use scripture and as you might have noticed with incarnate, I rarely bring up scripture with Atheists. As you saw with incarnate conversely, I used it quite a bit and every thread he was rebuked and debunked, the thread just died out not long after.

I can't say this serious enough, if anything, any government or political agenda, any other religion even islamo fascism, is no match for the Christian people as religion goes; we are the target of jokes, stares and hostility. We are the scapegoat the whipping post for so much persecution and we have endured that since Calvary.

I am telling you NOTHING is a bigger threat to Christianity, then neo atheism. Inspite of the word phrase tricks they use, they have enjoyed a camouflage of sorts as a people who believe in nothing, claim they are NOT a religion, resist belief in God, claim no membership to an organized group with any agenda what so ever. Yet as my attempt at a quasi Religious / Atheist, satire on the stamp collecting illustrates, they follow us around in threads just to pop in and pop off some asinine remarks about imaginary friends and a superfluous amount of "
"

Although Madd Talks about Atheism a lot I see he completely missed the point on that post, or he wisely wouldn't address it but went off the posts central message and criticized my logic because I didn't cover how clear is a color. I never had any intention of getting into an argument on his terms, simply because his analogy was using faulty logic to start with.

Either he is not telling us everything as Atheists like to stay under the radar invisible having no association not even a name of a group or a philosophy they admit to endorse. Or he really doesn't know that much about them.

Yet they study the Christian Bible and Christian traditions much more then most Christians do. They study debate, inductive arguments for critical thinking and logical fallacy etc. I have seen entire threads where a dozen Christians would get their asses handed back to them on a platter of humble pie by one Atheist who knew Scripture better then they did but rather then correct the Christian’s passage or interpretation, they would intimidate anyone from risking further humiliation posting another thing.

Now I would say if you got involved in Atheist activism you would not only be impressed with the cloak and dagger subterfuge Atheists INSIST is used for the fruition of their long range goals and objectives,, it would confirm without any doubt, they not only have an agenda to "overthrow" Christianity but to destroy it.

By "what ever means becomes necessary", until we are so marginalized, we will make the most closeted homosexuals look like flaming gay extroverted exhibitionists on ecstasy attending a gay body paint party at La jolla California's Blacks Beach.

Another thing that would surprise you is their numbers are arguably the same size as ours if you consider most census asking religion gets so many 2 time a year believers or baby baptized Catholics etc.


I had been sent emails from Christians like Clear ski and Jedi in particular who seemed pretty messed up after engaging some rabid atheists on a thread. You know me,, If only I could get over my shyness I would be more vocal about this. lol

They are the most serious threat to Christians and Christianity. The rest of this Ill sends you in an u2u and emails. I happen to have a copy of the AZ chapter, of the "Atheist Manifesto" for a world free of religion.

You will be convinced .

- Con









[edit on 11-3-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by andre18


LOL..what is this?......if Atheism was a religion then simply not believing in thepink flying invisible unicorn would be a religion......all this article proves is the ignorance of Americans......Anyway...The American court doesn't voice the world view on any subject......The Supreme Court can't simply decide on behalf of Europe - Asia and Africa what atheism is....lol.....who do they think they are...lol.....anyway......

Simply not believing in something doesn't make you religious......The Supreme Court must have some pretty stupid people in there LOLOL....

By this logic because nobody believes in Zeus then everyone in the world is religious …LOL…just so damn funny…..




all this article proves is the ignorance of Americans


Or the clever means to a level playing field.

Who do they think they are? They are the same court Atheist go crying to when ever they see the ten commandments or a Nativity Scene acting like a Vampire who just got hit with a ray of sunshine.

Ya know what’s really going to set Atheists off is legislation coming down the pike replace the original intent of Government not saying a damn thing about our religious expression, in Schools, Parks and hehe SCIENCE.

Bye Bye Lemon law.

- Con



[edit on 11-3-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 07:28 AM
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Good points Ashley. I don't think Atheism can really "win" because belief in God is actually hardwired into most healthy human beings. Atheists just work real hard to deny it. Kind of like Alcoholics making excuses to drink - denial is a powerful thing. It's not until they are in a near fatal car accident or have a heart attack or something like that they ever wake up. Many do, I've heard some testimonies to that fact.

There's this whole "new age" belief that all religions lead to the same God philosophy. I think that is the beginning of the one world religion. However the way things are progressing right now, it is possible that Atheism/ Evolution/Science might actually be the religion that the prophecies are talking about... maybe we need to seriously look at it a a "religion".

"Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles." (ROM 1)

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Atheism is not a religion.

www.thefreedictionary.com...

The lack of a "Godhead" exempts it.
Atheism is a belief system.
However, some Atheists do protect their belief system with a passion and zeal that is most reminiscent of the fervent religious faithful.

After following this thread, and a few others, for some time now, I think it is fair to say that some members, from both sides of the arguement, appear to be defending their beliefs with a distinct lack of objectivity and a blinding unwillingness to even consider alternative evidence or opinions.

Just my 2p worth.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
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Thanks Con... I didn't know it was that official. And Riley said I was picking on her when I called it a religion. Well the law of the land agrees that Atheism is a Religon. Cool.

I guess since it all official and everything it would be more appropriate to call the Dawkin's led "New Atheism" -- Radical Atheism or Atheist extremism...


Well you're welcome whammy!

Now,, when ever they use that crap about wars and religion or this or that wasn't done in the "name" of atheism, we can lump them right in with the rest of them just like they lump all religions together. I think anyone who studies Christianity and its traditions not to mention engage in arguments with as many of them as Atheists do us, they ought to be considered the opposition team of the same spiritual endeavor of the same spiritual game.

Like a football game, just because the defense is the antithesis of the offense and while ones objective is not to gain yardage but to keep the other side from gaining any, doesn't mean they aren't both trying to win the same game as players in a spiritual warfare on a gridiron called earth. Atheists are so involved in Christianity, many, even more then Christians are. They may as well have the same right to be called a player of religion whether their objective is NOT to score but do everything they can to keep the other side from scoring or not.

With the exception of a few conceptual differences, one team carries the ball on their side, while the other team doesn't. One team has the ball and they can touch it, feel it, while the other team can not because they do not have possession of it.

One team has a God on their side while he carries US. We can see him and feel him because we have possession of him and he of us.


Statistically, it has been proven, who ever leads in possession of the ball,

wins the game of football



Biblically, who ever resists Gods possession of us

Loses the game

of life


- Con







[edit on 11-3-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 02:41 PM
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Oh, I agree with you there. It certainly is true that there are organized atheist spokespeople who are hell bent on relegating Christianity to the trash bin. My question is, do you actually think they will succeed or will they, too, be over taken by the prophesied one world religion in the end?

Or as BW speculated, will they be the end time religion?



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Hi johnb1 wanted me to post this


Not... this is the four horseman atheist discussion


On the 30th of September 2007, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens sat down for a first-of-its-kind, unmoderated 2-hour discussion, convened by RDFRS and filmed by Josh Timonen.

All four authors have recently received a large amount of media attention for their writings against religion - some positive, and some negative. In this conversation the group trades stories of the public's reaction to their recent books, their unexpected successes, criticisms and common misrepresentations. They discuss the tough questions about religion that face to world today, and propose new strategies for going forward.





posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Great discussion. Might have been better without Hitchens, heh.

I'll hopefully being seeing a Dennett talk later this year. W00t!



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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Atheism is a belief system.


What is all this.....are you all insane?

All that being an atheist is, is not believing in anything supernatural - such as a deity.....how can not believing in something be a religion.....WTF...

As I said before....because no one believes in say....ancient Sumerian gods - then everyone is then classified as being religious because they deny the existence of that belief system.....

Am I the only SOB with a brain?



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by andre18


Am I the only SOB with a brain?


Is that what you think?

See whammy,, I was just about to post to freeborn that he was going to get spanked for using the word "belief"

They will say things like "we accept their is NO God” But you won't see them get anywhere near language themselves into philosophy or ideology of any kind. The undocumented letters of Sam Harris is going to be released soon and from what I hear may have his action steps so far corroborating an agenda for corrupting religion lobbyist or attempting to.

This is why I use the word Teflon because it makes them UN accountable for conspiracy as you don't have a group or name or religion or belief etc.

Sam Harris was criticizing Atheist leaders for not seeing the importance of shedding the name atheists where they could use a symbol like the musician Prince LOL rather then a name.

Semantics verbal gymnastics, reverse logic, I have heard it called lots of things. Same # scientologists use but I think they got it from Atheists since Hubbard was an atheist.

- Con


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