Britney Spears kidnapped, held, humiliated by so-called doctors

Psychiatrist's utter lack of respect for persons is now being colorfully demonstrated in the case of Britney Spears. Mrs. Spears has committed no crime, yet she is being held against her will in a hospital.

Psychiatrists operate by making lists of symptoms. They then define those whose behaviour is sufficiently close to those symptoms as sick and make money by treating them. For instance, I could define a disease and call it something fancy, say 'dual transborder personality disorder', in terms of the following symptoms:

1. wakes up before 8:00 am many mornings.
2. eats cereal often.
3. avoids watching TV.
4. takes interest in sports.

and say everyone who meets 3 of the 4 symptoms is sick, and charge them for talking to them and prescribing medications to them.

Psychiatrists operate in this manner, and it is an outrage that a profession that is clearly not itself capable of responsible conduct or independent thought should be charged with determining whether persons such as Britney Spears are a danger to themselves or others.

In this instance the determination of committing her, is made more out of a desire to exploit Mrs. Spears' celebrity status than out of regard for her well-being.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by truthrocks]

*pulls out magic wand*
*tap, tap, tap*

"By the power of Greyskull , Britney .... BEGONE !!!!!"

And, as if by magic, Britney disappeared from ATS .... never to be seen again.

No, she's been committed because of rampant drug use and intoxication while caring for a toddler and a newborn baby. Do you think she should take care of small children while so drastically inebriated?

Uh-huh...are we to assume then that Ms. Spears was kidnapped because of her brilliant intellect, that she might give away state secrets?
Oh, pulleease...

From what I've heard she's nuts for sure. I agree with the second poster. Let her name be erased from ATS forever!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by Rasobasi420


She may not be a fit mother, but that is not a crime and does not call for medical intervention.

Intoxicated while caring for 2 small children, violating numerous court orders including the one that clearly states she can not drink around her children, not showing up for court dates, etc etc....all constitues crimes. I have no sympathy for someone who so blatantly trivalizes the court process and who drinks and acts like a lunatic in front of her two small children. Lock her up and throw away the key, who needs her making more babies!

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
No, she's been committed because of rampant drug use and intoxication while caring for a toddler and a newborn baby. Do you think she should take care of small children while so drastically inebriated?

ding ding ding.........

Clearly out of controll and mentaly impaired because of drug or alcohol use. We still do not know what she said. She obviously is a threat to herself OR others so a 5150 is appropriate in this case.

No conspiracy here. Just a sad out of controll drugged up ex pop star

reply to post by truthrocks


It certainly is a crime...IT'S CALLED CHILD ABUSE....maybe you should read up on current laws before making blanket statements like that

Leave Britney alone...sobs. Sobs some more. Girlfriend is on a death spiral, career and healthwise. With her money she could hire a team of handlers to keep her out of trouble and protect her against herself. Any further contact with her boys will be supervised. And there is very good reason to believe jailtime is a real possibility. Just sadness for the narcissist, bajllionaire, former mickey mouse clubber.

Originally posted by truthrocks
She may not be a fit mother, but that is not a crime and does not call for medical intervention.

Uhhhhh. if the children are at risk then IT is a crime. If she is a danger to herself and others then she is prime time for a 5150

reply to post by FredT


If she has committed a crime she should be in jail, not a hospital.

reply to post by truthrocks


She is in a hospital because she was out of control the other night. I'm sure when all is said and done she will be back in court being sentenced to something. But they can't put her in jail until she is competent. Again, please check the current laws before posting and you will see that they are holding her because she is either a danger to herself or others, and by law they have the right to do that until she is deemed no longer a threat.

It was most probably an 'intervention' that the people that love her most and still believe in her created. I hope for the sake of all of her family , friends and children and lastly her fans, it is a sucessful healing process. It is abundantly clear that she does have people in her corner and I trust that she will now begin her healing climb back up to the heights that made so many love her. It is utter propaganda to sneer and ridicule this woman and her bottomed out behavior. I would love to hear her story one day and she will always be welcome here on ATS if she needs us. If she had been coming here instead of being ushered around by the Hollyweird crowd, she may have met people that could have helped her to make wiser choices. Sorry for the rant but I still like Brittney and wish her the best.

Originally posted by truthrocks
If she has committed a crime she should be in jail, not a hospital.

*sigh* you really should do a bit of research here: Also if she was high while taking care of the children then THAT is neglect and endangerment. If she is simply bonkers then she may need treatment in a mantal facility

Section 5150 is a section of California's Welfare and Institutions Code (specifically, the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act or "LPS") which allows a qualified officer or clinician to involuntarily confine a person deemed a danger to himself, herself, and/or others[1] and/or gravely disabled. A qualified officer, which includes any California peace officer, as well as any specifically designated county clinician, can request the confinement after signing a written declaration. When used as a term, 5150 can informally refer to the person being confined or to the declaration itself.
en.wikipedia.org...(Involuntary_psychiatric_hold)

To note:

On or previous to the expiration of the 72 hours, the psychiatrist must assess the client to see if they still meet criteria for hospitalization. If so, the client may be offered a voluntary admission. If it is refused, then another hold, the 5250, must be written to continue the involuntary confinement of the client. If the 72 hour timeframe has elapsed before the client is offered a voluntary admission or placed on the 5250, the client must be immediately released.
en.wikipedia.org...(Involuntary_psychiatric_hold)

Criteria:

The criteria for writing requires probable cause. This includes danger to self, danger to others together with some indication, prior to the administering of the hold, of symptoms of a mental disorder, and/or grave disability—as noted below. The conditions must exist under the context of a mental illness and the person must be refusing psychiatric treatment.

Danger to self: The person must be an immediate threat to themselves, usually by being suicidal. Someone who is severely depressed and wishes to die would fall under this category.
Danger to others: The person must be an immediate threat to someone else. A person hearing voices telling to kill someone, having anger management issues, and/or any unusual obsession or behavior with others would fall under this category.
Gravely disabled:
Adult (patients over 18 years of age): The person is unable to provide for his/her food, clothing, and/or shelter, and there is no indication that anyone is willing or able to assist him/her in procuring these needs. This does not necessarily mean homeless, as a homeless person who is able to seek housing (even in a temporary shelter) when weather demands it would not fall under this category.
Minor (patients under 18 years of age): The person is unable to provide for his/her food, clothing, and/or shelter—even if these are supplied directly.
Mental disorder: Undefined by statute or regulation. Page 14 of the LA County LPS Designation Manual states that the initiator must be able to articulate behavioral symptoms of a mental disorder either temporary or prolonged (People v. Triplett,(1983) 144 Cal. App. 3d 283).
en.wikipedia.org...(Involuntary_psychiatric_hold)

reply to post by cw034


OF COURSE she was out of control the other night! She had just lost her Children! I would have been totally raging and drunk and what ever and violently out of control! (At least in my younger days)

reply to post by antar


Well the real question was she out of control before they showed up which seems to be the case. Add intot hat refusal to give up the children unde court order etc.

I thought it would be impossible, but Britney has managed to make that deadbeat Federline look like father of the year

I think this thread shows the confusion of thoughts through consparicy thinking very well.

She puts her children in danger.
She went nuts, would not turn her children over via a court order.
She locks herself and children in a room and babbles crazy stuff.
She's hurting the children even more!

And people twist it to be a consparicy???

What are you that Chriss guy from youTube? """LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!"""

reply to post by antar


She had her children taken away for her lack of parenting and irresponsibility. She has no one to blame except herself. If she had acted like a mature, reponsible adult and parent she wouldn't have to worry about her children being taken away. She doesn't show up for court dates, drinks in front of her children, HOLDS THE CHILDREN HOSTAGE, DEFIES COURT ORDERS, misses counciling sessions and you defend her. Might want to rethink this oh poor is Brittany crap. She is no parent, and certainly no roll model.

Antwar, with all due respect. She'd been given MANY chances to clean up her act. Chances none of us lowly commoners would have been given. She has no one but herself to blame. With her resources, she could have made it so.