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Originally posted by Cypher
reply to post by StellarX
Stellar, with all due respect, if you'd care to further enlighten me as to why I should "just move on", I'd love to hear it.
For while it is true that I am not very familiar with Mr. Estulin's record, I see no way in which that changes my arguments. I was simply stating that one should always question an anonymous source, especially when their claims are extraordinary.
I did not dismiss the claim in question entirely on that basis, nor did I accuse Mr. Estulin of being untruthful. In my opinion, even the best of reporters get fed a load of b.s. every now and then. Thus the source of the claim is very important.
I also fail to see the point you were trying to make in comparing the emergence of ideas from Ron Paul's campaign, to the situation in Haiti. Are you referring to the American Invasion of 1915, to the 1994 invasion to depose the military dictator, Raoul Cedras,
and re-install democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide, or to the history of Haiti as a whole, and how do any of these incidents have anything in common with the ideas espoused by Ron Paul and his supporters?
As for the rest of your arguments, no personal offense intended, but I think they are weak at best.
You admit in your response that you believe that the elite are powerful enough to control the elections, but claim that Ron Paul's message is so strong that they may kill him simply for speaking those ideas.
Again I'm sorry, but I have seen no evidence that his message is that strong.
Now, please don't get me wrong, I am not denigrating Ron Paul or his supporters, in fact as a long time republican, I am encouraged by the activism that the Ron Paul campaign has engendered amongst a historically lackluster republican base,
but when you are talking about the American voter base as a whole, Ron Paul supporters are still a small minority.
Further, even if one assumes that Ron Paul's message is as strong as you believe, the evidence you cite that the elite kill those who threaten their supposed power is suspect.
You cite the killings of JFK and RFK to support your theory, but in my opinion both of those killings are highly debatable as conspiracy theories and as such offer no real proof for a threat against those who speak out on Constitution rights.
As for your comment that "the republican party would... love to see him dead for perpetually voting against almost anything that is obviously bad for Americans"; this is plainly ignorant and partisan. I don't feel the need to point out specifically why this is so, as it should be obvious, but I did want to address it.
And I can't imagine them (if they truly exist in the form that has been proposed here) doing anything to stop Ron Paul. I foresee Ron Paul doing relatively poorly in the individual primaries, with the possible exception of a state or two and the quietly fading back into obscurity.
It's my belief that the possibility of Ron Paul winning the republican nomination is slim, and the chances of him winning the Presidency in a third party run are even smaller.
I also believe the chances of Ron Paul being assassinated by any NWO, elitist conspiracy are infinitesimally small and am willing to stake some of my money on it. God forbid it should happen, but if it does, simply offer me convincing proof, or even a reasonable, sound argument to the possibility that it was a conspiracy and I'll gladly pay you 500 American dollars to fund your "revolution".
Originally posted by BlueRaja
Some are more ethical than others, but there's no magical transformation once someone gets into politics that turns them into cold blooded killers.
Originally posted by BlueRaja
So every politician has sworn allegiance to the NWO?
If not, how can we tell?
Is it just the politicians you disagree with, that have gone to the dark side? I'd love to see some evidence for this transformation to cold blooded killers. What about when they get out of politics and go back to their regular lives. Do they continue to kill off those with whom they have disagreements with?