FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
First show me where i have stated no planes, or admit you are a liar and misquote me.

I have been asking for evidence of planes and what planes hit the buildings, which no one has been able to provide.

As far as Flight 93 we have enopugh evidence to know it was shot down.

you ignore all the evidence Ultima. You question the existence of planes at 3 of the 4 locations. (I assumed you didn't think a plane crashed at shanksville...since thats what most truthers on this thread think.)

So, you don't believe the evidence that is obvious that planes hit both towers and the Pentagon. That makes you a no-planer. Sorry Ultima. IT is what it is...and you is a no-planer.

As far as flight 93, can you please show what evidence you have that it was shot down?

reply to post by PlaneIP


Nice straw man. Why are you avoiding the evidence being shown that points towards a plane being shot down? You do realize that most truthers don't believe in the "no plane theories" right? Do you have any evidence that the pieces you and your friend saw were from a plane crash and not a plane that was blown up?
You do realize the "scar" where the plane allegedly crashed was there at least 10 years before the event?

[edit on 23-4-2008 by PplVSNWO]

In this Flight 93 DID NOT CRASH IN SHANKSVILLE thread, NOT ONCE has any GROUP or person has been able to prove that a plane crahsed in shanksville.


These misinformed, ignorance has been trying to prove the flight 93 had the force of 1000000 joules or whatever but they cant explain how everything of the plane 'vapourized', that means nothing left, no seats, no air frames, no wings, no fuel, no luggage but yet........

the terrorists passport survives.....

The commission released pictures of hijackers' visas -- including the charred remains of Ziad Jarrah's visa, plucked from the wreckage of United Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

The Saudi passport of Saeed Alghamdi, said to be discovered in the wreckage of Flight 93. [Source: FBI]According to the 9/11 Commission, the passports of two hijackers are discovered in the wreckage of Flight 93. One passport, belonging to Saeed Alghamdi, is damaged but still readable. The other passport, belonging to Ziad Jarrah, is burned most of the way through, but part of his photograph is still visible

Would you kids like to explain how plane rims, wings, tail, stabilizers, hundreds of windows, luggage, hundreds of seats, miles of wire, carpeting, piping, 1000's lbs of aluminium........ Yet the PASSPORTS SURVIVE.....?


Can you say" The evidence from Shanksville is fraudulant and has been planted"?



[edit on 23-4-2008 by IvanZana]

Here is some of the evidence



There is no proof of a boeing 757 crashing.

The shoot down theory is proven disinformation started by the people who brought you " Missile on the WTC " Pentagon Hologram ", WTC holograms, not controlled demo, NUKES,... etc.

These people actually start the silly theories so they can easily debunk them later looking 1/2 intelligent, but thats another thread.



As you can see no fuel, no fire, no parts, NO Boeing 757 at Shanksville on 9/11




Mabey they are looking for cruise missile parts?

???

THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing “a screaming thing” that “screeched” as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

Cruise missile video. Look like a small white plane.


As far as tha fake crash site. Crash exercises are common.

Participants take part in a disaster drill for a staged plane crash at Ivalo airport in Finnish Lapland October 20, 2007. The joint exercise with participants from Britain, Finland, Norway, Russia and Sweden simulates a crash of a British charter flight to test emergency measures in the Barents region, local media reported.

Source

Looks like something like a military ordinnance (bomb/missile) created the crater after hitting the already present fissure/scar.

This next picture is of one of many natural "wing scars" that can be found within a couple of km's from the Shanksville missile crater.


This next scar is only meters away from the crater.


So you see. THe wing scars were present pre 9/11 which concluded that no Boeing 757 crashed in Shanksville on 911.



Incase you didnt see the video

reply to post by PplVSNWO


Dude.. please post the evidence you are speaking about.

Thank you,

C.O.

reply to post by IvanZana


IVAN,

You were caught posting fake pictures. Did you photoshop them yourself? Why haven't you answered any questions that were asked?

Why do you keep posting your OP over and over almost 100 pages later?

Dude, the gig is up. You can't answer any questions raised...your theory is Kaput!.

reply to post by IvanZana

If you are new to this 911 stuff let me make you aware of certain people.

On 911 forums there is a group of people who either work for the government, hired through headhunters, malinformed, ignorant, insulting, childish and persistant. They will say anything and invent ridiculous theories to cover up the truth and to not give you enough time to see the facts by burrying them with stupid debunk posts.

Very good point Ivan. People who post images and statements like this:

This is what it should of looked like.

totally embarrass and humiliate and already embarrassing movement.


Long live the JWO!

In this Flight 93 DID NOT CRASH IN SHANKSVILLE thread, NOT ONCE has any GROUP or person has been able to prove that a plane crahsed in shanksville.


These misinformed, ignorance has been trying to prove the flight 93 had the force of 1000000 joules or whatever but they cant explain how everything of the plane 'vapourized', that means nothing left, no seats, no air frames, no wings, no fuel, no luggage but yet........

the terrorists passport survives.....

The commission released pictures of hijackers' visas -- including the charred remains of Ziad Jarrah's visa, plucked from the wreckage of United Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

The Saudi passport of Saeed Alghamdi, said to be discovered in the wreckage of Flight 93. [Source: FBI]According to the 9/11 Commission, the passports of two hijackers are discovered in the wreckage of Flight 93. One passport, belonging to Saeed Alghamdi, is damaged but still readable. The other passport, belonging to Ziad Jarrah, is burned most of the way through, but part of his photograph is still visible

QUESTION for the 2 or 3 people who somehow think a plane crashed in Shanksville on 911.

Would you kids like to explain how plane rims, wings, tail, stabilizers, hundreds of windows, luggage, hundreds of seats, miles of wire, carpeting, piping, 1000's lbs of aluminium in debunkers term "VAPOURIZED"........ Yet the PASSPORT SURVIVES.....?


Can you say" The evidence from Shanksville is fraudulant and has been planted?

One 40 yard bin 3/4 full of scrap metal was dumped into the crater prior to 911. The scrap yard is only a few meteres from the 'crash' site.

[edit on 23-4-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana

Can you say" The evidence from Shanksville is fraudulant and has been planted"?

No.

But I can say that people who post images and statements like this:

This is what it should of looked like.

are suspect disinformation agents.


Would you care to explain why you think that a tail section from an aircraft that slid to a stop and burned should look the same as an aircraft that impacted the ground at 580 mph at a 41° angle?

Would you care to explain why an aircraft traveling nearly 500mph crashing at 90 degrees to the ground left a 155ft long crater, but flight 93 which you say hit at 580mph and 41 degrees to the ground left a fairly small round crater("WTAE-TV's Michelle Wright toured the crash scene and said that a crater of about 30 to 40 feet long, 15 to 20 feet wide and 18 feet deep was created by the crash.") in the middle of a pre-existing scar?



www.aviationpast.com...

[edit on 23-4-2008 by PplVSNWO]Thanks to Boone for pointing out that a specific angle was not mentioned for the wings descent.

[edit on 23-4-2008 by PplVSNWO]

Because if you read the link, the crater caused by Pan Am 103 was caused by the wing section, loaded with 220,000 lbs of fuel impacting the ground and exploding. That section was almost 200 feet. When it impacted it registered a 1.6 on the Richter Scale.

Okay... and what about flight 93's wings that had an estimated 5,500 gallons(or over 37,000lbs) of fuel at the time of impact? The lack of scorched grass in the immediate area is again evidence that no plane crashed there.

[edit on 23-4-2008 by PplVSNWO]wrong there and added fuel weight

[edit on 23-4-2008 by PplVSNWO]

reply to post by PplVSNWO



Sorry, but your source does not state that the wing section hit vertically at 90°.

Forgot to mention also that the soil and well tests found no contamination from jet fuel so it had to have completely burned up on impact which is again not supported by images.

reply to post by PplVSNWO


What constitutes contamination?

The Department of Environmental Protection did not start sampling the soil until 9/16 after the FBI had sifted through it looking for evidence and remains.

Also yesterday, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection said it would begin taking soil and well water samples today to determine whether contamination occurred from Flight 93's aviation fuel, hydraulic fluids and other hazardous materials following the crash.

"The risk, we think, is really very small," said department Secretary David E. Hess. He said most of the hazardous fluids were consumed by the crash's fire.Source

It appears that the experts didn't expect any contamination.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Zaph, good research....but you and I know most of the fuel was in the Center fuel tank....whether PA 103 or AAL77.

WW

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
You question the existence of planes at 3 of the 4 locations.

I am asking for evidence of planes hitting the towers and the Pentagon. I never stated there were not planes.

Please read my post before responding.





[edit on 24-4-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by ULTIMA1


IF you are seek more evidence regarding what hit the towers, then my friend you are questioning the validity of the news media AND amateur videos...We have ALL seen the plane fly into the towers. Let's stay on topic ok?

reply to post by PplVSNWO


So, at what angle did this crash?

What were the conditions of the ground where it crashed?

Apples to apples here kids.

reply to post by PplVSNWO


Ppl....Not every 'lawndart' accident has a subsequent fire. USAir 427. UAL in Colorado Springs (not sure the flight number).

WW