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Originally posted by bigbert81
reply to post by Impreza
What about non-profit organizations?
Why give your money to a church to waste, and give some of it to the needy instead of a non-profit which uses most of the money you give them for good?
Here's my beef though, how many lives could be saved if they shut down that church and used all the money for one of the many causes I've listed above?
Originally posted by ferrabi
so no they don't need the money, because they can liquify their assets and sustain themselves for another millenia. but why would they do that.
so donations are there to sustain their wealth. and to keep it status quo.
Hmmmm... looks like another case of ill-informed people. Who says the Catholic church wastes money
Sometimes i wish people would do their homework before bashing that which they know absolutely nothing about.
What they get they DO NOT ASK for unless it is a serious cause. I have never been in a Catholic Church in South Africa that ASKS for money - they just get donations. IF it is SERIOUS they may ASK please help this cause!!
YEah shut down the church and help ONE of the MANY causes
Originally posted by bigbert81
Wow, you're absolutely right, thank you for setting me straight.
Can you give me a link which shows her personal net wealth as being $40mil?
Mother Theresa were still alive, we could build more shelters for people to go and suffer and die in. Wasn't she worth about $40 million at the time of her death?
Sometimes I wish people would take the time to review the links I spend time putting in my posts. I've done MY homework. Don't be so arrogant and learn something yourself.
and then you post links that don't mention the Catholic Church? You aren't really serious are you. You just pulling my leg - good one. You got me.
Do people think it will 'buy' them a higher place in heaven (Catholic church selling indulgences) than helping a fellow man?
BTW, I'm not just speaking of the Catholic church.
Can you give me an example of these indulgences that i am obviously missing out on? Ok i will do the leg work for you - Myths About Indulgences Simple really easy to understand.
Hmmm, is that their justification for selling indulgences?
Oh, my bad, the church would NEVER ask for money unless it's a good cause, and paying for your future sins must definitely fall into that category.
OK so we should save 200 people and let millions die? Yeah i guess that could make sense in some quarters.
You're right, unless we can save everybody at the same time, we shouldn't save anybody. Gotcha.
...the money would go further and save more people in the hands of non-profit organizations than in the hands of a church
...like the link I provided already which you, apparently, don't have the time to read because you'd prefer to come here and try to make yourself seem smarter than you are.
An opinion to which you are allowed.
Originally posted by luxor311
The Catholic church has been one of the most corrupt organizations in history.
Have you been to Rome?
The cost depends on the tourism company you go with. On the last Sunday of the month it is free. Fees in general are used to maintain the Vatican and the grounds and other running costs.
Dont you remember paying a "fee" to go every where within the Vatican walls.
That is actually a very small amount in relation to what the church spends annually for good causes. And the Sistine Chapel was restored for $3mil December 11th 1999.
Why did mother Theresa in 1988 go to the UN asking for money? because the Vatican was in the middle of a multi million restoration of the sistine chapel (15 million to be exact). They never gave her a penny. That gives you an idea where the Catholic Churches priorities are.
ahhhh history. Yes, history is a bugger is it not.
Throughout history it has tried to dominate the peoples minds with the fear factor and has gained power as a result.
Lets ask Jews how they feel about
Why dont you ask the Jews how they feel about Pope Pius XII conveniently turning his head during the holocaust.
Again, more Jews were rescued in WWII than Catholics BY the Catholic Church. Pius is old news and the history is as one would like it to be and has been miscommunicated so i will leave the research up to you. I have done this in other threads. Do a search on what i added. AND ok here it comes:
Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps
It is well documented by Jewish scholars like Joseph Lichten of B'nai B"rith that Pius used the assets of the Vatican to ransom Jews from the Nazis and that the Vatican under Pius ran an extensive network of hide-outs. Even the Pope's summer residence, Castel Gondolfo, was used to hide fugitive Jews. The Pope, moreover, took personal repsonsibility for the children of deported Jews;
That is a simple outline of the case. The Church's record was not perfect, but how many other institutions did this much?
Again your opinion?
The missionaries are not well funded by the church they are currently more concerned about addressing their "priest" problem...truth.
And your point? I am also Catholic etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. My wife isn't Jewish. Catholics rescued Jews in the war - what does she think about that? In fact more Jews than Catholics. Now what do Catholics think about that? How many Catholics did the Jews save?? Ask her about that.
FYI I was born and raised Catholic went to Catholic schools all my life Studied in Rome for six months and volunteered in Haiti for three months. My girlfriend is a Jew. Im sure you would love to hear what she thinks of the church.