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reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 01:00 PM by sherpa
reply to post by Stari




Hi, does anyone have the link to the original image of "data's head" from NASA public image archive? I can't seem to find it anywhere. I have searched through alot of images of Shortys crater and can't find the one image that shows the head.


I think you will find it was from Apollo 17, AS17-137-20997 to be exact.

You can find it here

Find the turkey rock and look north.


reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 02:36 PM by IgnoreTheFacts
reply to post by johnlear



They weave and bob and attempt to insert what they call “mainstream science” and “we know this” when in fact it is ALL pure, unadulterated speculation. All of it.


Yeah, that's right we use mainstream science, because it is repeatable and verifiable. You claim to know all this stuff, but never, not once, tell us the specific details about scientific instruments and procedures that puts you off. As if every scientist in the world is a part of your silly conspiracies..

What is it about the measuring instruments of mainstream science, which are (again) repeatable and verifiable, that leads you to believe that they are in on your conspiracies?

I mean, did they design a spectrometer to fool us all? Do all rulers lie to us as well? How about simple math, is that something you don't trust, either? I mean, does 2+2 really equal 4.167 in your world?

What's funny is you use the buzzword "mainstream" because you know that it is received around the tin foil hat crowd as being a negative word, as everyone here is "bucking the man" so to speak, and can't subscribe to anything "mainstream" or they might loose their grip on fantasy. Everybody wants to be cool, and mainstream is not cool, right?. So by using terminology that you know rallies woo woos to your defense you again don't have to bother explaining the details of your deceptions to those of us that see right through them.

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reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 10:54 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by Nohup
At this point, then, it appears that the "NASA Scientist" has not offered anything that might be called "disclosure."


This so far is true... There is no word of what was said at the Hoagland Nasa "scientist's" disclosure...

There has been more disclosure on the CNN front and again an offshoot also at the NPC So why if this is National Press can we not get the details ?


Oh well...

In the meantime a little trip back in time... here is some REAL disclosure for you

Watch this video...


Google Video Link


Now we all know that you can't see stars in NASA photos of the Moon...

And we have all heard the skeptics reasons...

Well in the above press release taken just after they got back Micheal Collins cannot remember seeing any stars...


Well I guess his memory improved a lot... since in his new book "Carrying the Fire" he makes THIS remarkable statement...

``Outside my window I can see stars, and that is all. Where I know the moon to be, there is simply a black void; the moon's presence is defined solely by the absence of stars. To compare the sensation with something terrestrial, perhaps being alone in a skiff in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on a pitch-black night would most nearly approximate my situation.''


scholar.lib.vt.edu...

So what is the reason for this turnaround? Surely both versions cannot be true... So either he had a memory lapse... or he outright lied in the press release...

Now another twist to the story....

Browsing around APOD (NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day) I found an composite image of what the sky would look like on Earth IN THE DAY TIME if there was no atmosphere....



antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...

So that leaves me with two possibilities...

A) NASA airbrushed out all the stars in the Moon images
or
B) The atmosphere on the Moon is dense enough so you cannot see Stars in the daytime...




reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 11:29 PM by rockets red glare
reply to post by WolfofWar



You said it, stealth tech. Don't you think it's odd no other nation has figured it out yet except us? Maybe we do have a 40 or 50 year lead in this area. Or do we have something much much more, that came from somewhere else!


reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 11:34 PM by Tuning Spork
reply to post by zorgon



Watch the video again, Zorgon. What Michael Collins said was that he didn't remember seeing any stars during the time that they were photographing the solar corona.


reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 12:09 AM by Blaine91555
reply to post by zorgon


The lack of stars is not an attack on the things you believe. It is a simple fact of Photography and if you were to actually pick up a camera and learn the basics you would never be able to use that as evidence again without lying. Do you really want to prove something so badly you are willing to to be intellectually dishonest enough to venture that far from the truth to get people to believe. Very disingenuous. I had kept a small space in my thoughts available for the fact there might be artifacts on the Moon. This sort of thing drives me away. Purposefully misleading people does not help any argument.

Pick up a camera and learn the truth. Unless the truth is not what you want. I think you already know the stars argument is pure fabrication and ignorance of the truth. At least with the pictures there is a possibility. It is a shame you have chosen that path.

If you are in fact familiar with cameras and how they work; shame on you.


reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 01:35 AM by zorgon
ARMSTRONG: We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the Moon by eye without looking through the optics. I don't recall during the period of time that we were photographing the solar corona what stars we could see.

COLLINS: I don't remember seeing any.

Narrator: Collins wants us to believe that during his entire trip to and from the moon he never bothered to look out the window

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Pick up a camera and learn the truth.


Well that would do me little good because to be able to test whether or not my photos would show stars on the Moon... I would have to BE on the Moon

Personally I think the matter of no stars to be very important... I find it interesting that all of a sudden NASA is posting images of Stars in space...

I can also take a picture of a sunset and catch Venus with no problem... I cannot accept that there is not one star in any photo of the Moon... I have seen the stars from the top of Bryce Canyon on a cold clear winter night...

I do not believe that they would not have taken one shot, EVEN IF they needed to do a time exposure... just because of how fantastic it must look..

Yet Neil says...
We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the Moon by eye without looking through the optics.

So what would be so different up there? Supposedly NASA says no atmosphere... then posts the APOD image of what the sky SHOULD look like without atmosphere...

You can call 'foul' all you like... I don't buy the 'official' version... With all the antics like the golf ball etc that these astronauts do... surely ONE of them would have made an effort to record the stars

Something is not right here





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reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 09:45 AM by johnlear
Originally posted by ArMaP

To me, this sounds like Armstrong is saying that he did saw some stars but he can not remember what starts did he saw, and Collins says that he does not remember seeing any in the same situation, not during the whole time.


Thanks for the post ArMaP. Collins was not in the 'same siutation' ever. He was 60 miles above in orbit.

and the camera was programed for surface photos, not for star photos.


Cameras aren't programmed for surface or stars. Maybe you are talking about f-stops and exposure time. The film used in the Hasselblad was more sensitive to light than any other film yet developed, something on the order of magnitude of 10. If any stars had been visible from the surface of the moon they would have shown up on the film. It wouldn't have mattered what the f-stop or exposure time was.

The reason the crew said they didn't see stars is that the NAZA lie in those days is that you couldn't see stars in a vacuum which, of course, is total nonsense. One day a NAZA supposed 'expert' gave me a lecture that the only reason we could see stars from earth is that our atmosphere 'refracted the starlight' and made the little iitty bitty star visible.

But now, of course, there are too many Astronaut books out with reference to the 'magnificent stars in space' that NAZA is having to back pedal big time.

But the real reason the Apollo Astronauts couldn't sees stars is it was daytime, the sun was up and the sky was bright. Not black. Black is what was airbrushed onto all Apollo photos and fabricated into video shots.

That is why the 700 reels of high definition video disappeared because there was no way to airbrush the color of sky out of them and if NAZA wasn't able to airbrush the color of the sky out of the videos people would know there was an atmosphere and the whole moon 'lie' would start to collapse.

That is one reason so many of the still photos were 'faked'. Not because they didn't go but becaue of the color of the sky.

This is the reason that when Alan Bean was interviewed by Discover Magazine in 1994 and asked, "What do you see when looking up from the surface of the moon?" that he responded, "Black patent shoes."

What happened here is that when he was 'hypnotized' to forget much of what he saw on the moon, the hypnotist told him, "The sky was black, as black as patent leather shoes."

Unfortunately that was the wrong suggestion because all Bean remembered was the 'patent leather shoes' not the 'black' he was being programmed with.

This is apparent in Dr. Mitchells comment when asked what is was it felt like to be on the moon and he responded, "Somehow I couldn't resurrent the feeling I had while there."

Same thing with Aldrin who said when asked what it felt like to be on the moon, "For Christ's sake, I don't know. I just don't know. I have been frustrated since the day I left the moon by that question."

But the reason the Apollo astronauts didn't see stars on the moon is because the daytime sky on the moon is not black. Its too bright to see stars.

For a good belly laugh on how ridiculous the concept of 'no atmosphere' on the moon is, google up yourself a picture of Alan Beans painting "Sunrise Over Antares" and look at the bright yellow sun being refracted by the moons atmosphere.

Thanks for the post.


reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 11:22 AM by ArMaP
Originally posted by johnlearCollins was not in the 'same siutation' ever. He was 60 miles above in orbit.
Thanks for the correction, as you can tell by my answer I am not acquainted with who did what on those missions.

Cameras aren't programmed for surface or stars. Maybe you are talking about f-stops and exposure time. The film used in the Hasselblad was more sensitive to light than any other film yet developed, something on the order of magnitude of 10. If any stars had been visible from the surface of the moon they would have shown up on the film. It wouldn't have mattered what the f-stop or exposure time was.
Yes, that was what I was trying to say, but sometimes I can not remember the right words in English (and sometimes even in Portuguese).

I think that a bigger sensitivity would not make the stars visible, bit I am not an expert in photography, I leave that to my sister.

The reason the crew said they didn't see stars is that the NAZA lie in those days is that you couldn't see stars in a vacuum which, of course, is total nonsense.
That's interesting, I never heard that reason before, I always heard the explanation that the stars were not visible because they were in the sunshine.

That is why the 700 reels of high definition video disappeared because there was no way to airbrush the color of sky out of them and if NAZA wasn't able to airbrush the color of the sky out of the videos people would know there was an atmosphere and the whole moon 'lie' would start to collapse.
Does that mean that the dark sky that we could see on the original moon landing on TV was also airbrushed in almost real time?


reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 11:26 AM by skip_brilliantine
reply to post by zorgon



Zorgon, you are really unbelievable. The two sources you include from Collins do not contradict each other in any way. He clearly states in the press release that they didn't see stars while on the daylight side of the moon.

The quote you linked to refers to his impressions of being on the dark side of the moon, including seeing stars surrounding the silhouette of the moon. No solar reflection to hide them.

And you posit that he may have been "outright lying" when you don't seem to have paid any attention to the context of your own sources.

I know you are a hard worker on this forum, but you've got to stop being so shamelessly sensationalistic.
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