When I first heard another ex-NASA employee was coming forward, pictures, stories, and all, I have to admit my reaction was hardly inspiring. I shared the news stories with my friends and added something to the effect of, "It doesn't matter if the guy has pictures of aliens have a picnic with the astronauts, this won't go anywhere, and nothing will be accomplished in the mainstream." That said, anyone with a "big enough pair" to come forward in any form and share anything they have, be it testimony, pictures, personal experience, anything, is very brave, and is "better than nothing." We're dependent on these people to come forward, so we can further sort through the non-sense and have at least a chance of getting the basics of what is going on behind closed doors.

Thanks to everyone for posting!

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Listen, I understand high end graphics. I get what you are saying. But the computing power and training of a person like myself (who does work that is completely unrelated to any sort of graphics processing, and who is using the low end Dell Dimension desktop with a Celeron processor) is nothing compared to the individuals who work at NASA.

I have been fortunate enough in my life to have friends among people who DO have experience in these sorts of things (graphic design for television, requiring real time image rendering, as well, with inferior equipment when compared to NASA).

Now I'm confused, are we still talking about NASA's ability to render fake motion graphics in real time... 40 years ago? I agree that anything might be possible with video given today's technology, but processors as we know them didn't even really exist then... and are we still talking about NASA faking the color of the sky because some of you believe there's air on the moon?

Losing track of what everyone's point is... whether they never went, they went all the time, they went but they lied about the blue sky...

A question, in general: If the black sky was totally faked, then why are we looking at the fake sky in the background for evidence of mile-high glass castles and towers all the time? Can we stop that now? I mean, if it's fake anyway?

Originally posted by sherpa
Maybe not the same anti-grav but anti-grav nonetheless.

"anti-gravity' is another one of those 'generic' terms

I prefer 'gravity shielding' Anti gravity like anti matter implies and equal and opposite force to gravity... but all we need is a way to 'shield' us from the gravity on the ship

A magnetic field like in a maglev train surely negates gravity, but is limited...
Now if you had a small light power source that produced a lot of energy and was portable... you would be on to something... like the Element 115 drive John mentioned A lot of output, but a small light device...

Toy makers have the Levitron, kids in garages are making 'lifters', sonic levitation is interesting but you need air and earplugs but it still works..

Go snoop around LLNL, DTIC and LLNL Use "gravity shielding' and 'electrogravitics' in the search not just 'anti gravity. Levitation too... there are all kinds of working projects just in the 'backyard' labs... just imagine what the big boys play with...

Like airplanes that require no ailerons, but use a plasma flow instead... yeah that is at the AFRL

There is so much out there and it is not that hard to find, but each door you open leads to 10 more and it gets to a point you can not keep up with it... and still try to present it in an orderly fashion.

Gimme three secretaries, an archivist and a web programer (and someone to keep the coffee coming ) and we might get something that shows the whole picture...

weedwacker just stated that we only have achieved fission so far... I find that statement incredulous in the face of all we have presented. The Sandia Lab announced years ago that they have achieved fusion... and documents have been surfacing steadily now that show there are a lot of projects in the works.

Since the Russians invented the Tokamak in the 50's... all those billions that have been sunk into it for research and there are no results after 50 years? I don't buy that for a second...

And IF it WAS true... why are we letting them waste our taxes?

There seems to be a severe case of osterichitus running around here... lets hope its not contagious

Originally posted by sherpa
This I found interesting regarding anti-grav,

Peter King? from Nottingham?

I like this guy already

The researchers, who announce their results today in the New Journal of Physics, are working with Rio Tinto to develop the technique to sort precious stones from soil. The US space agency Nasa is also interested as it offers a cheaper way for zero gravity research.

Sorting gemstones using anti gravity I like that!!

One of our members here is working on a similar project... nice to see it getting media exposure



[edit on 21-11-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by skip_brilliantine

and are we still talking about NASA faking the color of the sky because some of you believe there's air on the moon?

Some of YOU? Some of YOU? Skip, you mean there is someone else besides myself that believes there is a breathable atmosphere on the Moon? Holy Cow!

A question, in general: If the black sky was totally faked, then why are we looking at the fake sky in the background for evidence of mile-high glass castles and towers all the time?

Excellent question. The technology used was indistinguishable from magic.

Thanks for the post.

Here's another reply that Bara refused to post on his blog -- it goes to the center of the claim that Johnston had access to, and was ordered to destroy, special moon photos.

To thread "stupid blog posts - 2", sent 3:40 PM, Nov 23….

Rich_Riggs asks, "Lost in the attempt to obfuscate by focusing on the personalities involved are questions that I want JimO or someone to answer..."Is it true that Ken was told to destroy original material from the taxpayer funded moon missions?" And, "upon whose authority was that done?" And. "Why?", "

This is a good question and central to the importance of the claims. Here's what I've found:

The first item posted under 'A Question of Credentials - 3', references Dr. Jeffrey Warner, whose task Mr. Johnston took over beginning with Apollo-14.

Johnston has described his task as being in charge of all Apollo mission imagery (a status that supposedly gave him 'insider' access to unique Apollo imagery, as well as the power to delete imagery from the master archives -- Rich's question). Press reports based on Dark_Mission press releases describe Johnstone as 'director of Apollo photo archives'.

Warner does not remember it that way. In an email to me recently, he wrote:

"I was part of the Curator's office during all the Apollo missions. Over the
years I had different assignments. During Apollo 11 and 12, among other
things, I was in charge of lunar sample photographs in the Lunar Receiving
Laboratory (LRL). BRN [JEO: Johnston's employer] technicians took photographs of lunar rocks, the photographs were processed in the JSC photo lab, and the prints came to me. A BRN employee technician named Marion (I disremember his last name, but it must be in the records) was my assistant in dealing with rock photographs. I did this as part of my duties as Associate Curator - there was no special or identified office. For Apollo 14-17, dealing with photographs became quite routine, and was handled by the Curatorial BRN support staff... [JEO: I think Warner is referring to Johnston and his co-workers here]

"There never was an 'office of Apollo mission photography' in the LRL. As you know, mission photographs went directly to the JSC photo lab where
they were processed and where prints were made. Mission photographs were never curated in the LRL. The only mission photographs we had in the LRL were copies of prints that we used to document specific rocks on the lunar surface."

JimO resumes comment: It seems that there has been major misrepresentation and deliberate confusion regarding Mr. Johnston's duties and responsibilities regarding lunar photographs.

He reports having received a number of sets of Apollo imagery, clearly from the office responsible for it in another building. Once the LRL stopped receiving new Apollo samples, it went througfh a major down-sizing and consolidation of records and elimination of duplicative (and no longer useful) mutli-copy material. It was under those circumstances, apparently, that Johnston was directed to clean out the cabinets and trash the images.

I don't know why he would have been told he couldn't keep them -- perhaps there were regulations that material generated for NASA internal use was not for public release, and public access to lunar photos would be through the public information office. In any case, I've seen no indications that the LRL photo sets that Johnston seems to have been custodian of (but not originator of) were different in any substantive way from the master files, which have always been fully accessible to researchers (and the press) at depositories such as the Lunar Science Institute.

Anyone reading JimO's comments here should be aware that if JimO is really Jim Oberg, Oberg has been, in my opinion, NAZA's chief of disinformation for many years although he is retired now.

He is much more knowledgeable than Phil Klass was. Phil was more the, "It was the Planet Venus" type of debunker.

Oberg is infinitely more knowledgeable on every detail of the Apollo and other NAZA programs and therefore is able to fabricate 'debunking' stories that normally one would believe.

However, as I said above, I respectfully caution any member of ATS reading JimO's opinions to take them (the posts that go on and on and on) with a grain of salt as I suggest you do with mine.

Yeah, I see I just won my bet about which looney would be first out of the box on the 'paid disinformation agent' smear. I sure wish somebody would give me the charge number and address to send my invoices to, 'they' probably owe me a LOT of money. Some years ago, an IRS clerk called me up about a 'snitch letter' he had received, claiming I had not reported my six gazillion simoleon annual pay-off from the dark forces, and the would-be 'rich snitch' wanted his cut for turning me in for my back taxes. It didn't take long for me to explain to the polite caller what planet those kinds of wierdos came from, and he admitted he should have seen the first clue, that the letter had been written in crayon. Was that your letter, John??

And did you get any of your advanced degrees from the same non-existent institute that it seems "Dr'" Johnston got HIS from? Should be easy enough for you to locate information about that 'seminary', if it ever really existed. Try.

Let's do some REAL verifiable research here. But please, don't ask me about earth-moon neutral points or secret lunar atmospheres.... I fall off my chair too easily these days.

Originally posted by JimO
Yeah, I see I just won my bet about which looney would be first out of the box on the 'paid disinformation agent' smear.

Considering the odds on a bet of that sort....you're still not dragging down much extra income, are ya'?

Sure thing all the way.

I had no idea you'd joined ATS, Jim. Welcome aboard!

Hmm. John Lear and Jim Oberg having at it in a thread debate. As Flounder once famously said, "Oh, boy, is this great...!"

I'm gonna date myself but that was MY pledge class year (different frat -- I was a Teke, alpha mu chapter). And I got my own pledge name, which will remain off the record for now...

I don't see any value in 'debating' for fun -- I'd like to see what we can find out about this Colorado Reform Baptist Church seminary that Mike Bara claims Ken Johnston got his PhD in "Meta Physics" from. It was when Johnston was asked by JPL about the bio data he had posted on their website -- about his advanced degrees and his jet pilot experience in particular -- that he suddenly offered to resign. So let's dig along those lines.

BTW, his given name is Ralph Kennedy Johnston, goes by "Ken", so that explains the false-positive 'hits' on earlier searches assuming his name was 'Kenneth Johnston'. Folks who knew him thought he also might have had a brother working at NASA -- he might be a useful witness to track down and interview.