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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 09:26 AM by dougfromupland
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Originally posted by drumist69
I wish people would pay attention to what is going on with these candidates now instead of digging through their past to find dirt. Simple truth is I
am very liberal, and I will not be voting for Clinton or Obama, should they be nominated. They blew it on the Iran resolution, in my opinion. They
have failed to be effective congress-members, so why should I believe either would be a good president. Not all of us liberals march in lock step, ya
know. Andy
Digging through their past??? Hillary filed her fourth false FEC report in Jan. 2006. It is still a false report. The FEC determined in Dec. 2005
that the campaign hid 721K. The business fraud case is coming to court. This is hardly the past. A US Attorney hid evidence for her while
investigations were ongoing. They claim not to have other pieces of video evidence. Hillary has compromised all three branches of the government in
this coverup. This would all be exposed if Woodward and Bernstein were still alive. Yes, I know. That's just a slap at them. They know this info;
they just won't write it. The mainstream media continues to protect her. Thanks to the owner of this site for this discussion.
The 14-min trailer has been No. 1 on google videos for several days. By the time of the screening at Harvard next Friday evening, it will have had
over a million views.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 09:49 AM by observe50
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I knew we were in trouble right when Bill and Daddy B seemed to become best buds after Katrina. I don't know about you but I never saw a Dem. and
Rep. past Pres. so buddy, buddy.
The next thing Hillary is in the rinning for Pres. IMO weather Hillary knows or not ??? I believe Daddy bought Bill and the next Elections are already
fixed.
If Hillary is not Pres. I give my KUDO'S to the people for being wise enough to see what has been going on. I know many may vote for her just because
she is a women and I believe this is an asset in this day and age that Daddy and Bill are counting on.
Let me see here, "what do you think best Hillary or Martial Law and Georgie issueing the Executive Order allowing himself to continue as Pres."
It's all up to the people and I do fear the worst, will the people see what they are doing and pull a quick one on them and take them (elitist) by
surprise.
IMO I'm not feeling it are you? We just may be doomed if the people don't wake up, stand up and pull a quick one on them.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 11:19 AM by sp00n1
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Originally posted by dougfromupland
This would all be exposed if Woodward and Bernstein were still alive. Yes, I know. That's just a slap at them.
LOL!
The 14-min trailer has been No. 1 on google videos for several days. By the time of the screening at Harvard next Friday evening, it will have had
over a million views.
video.google.com...
I'm surprised google didn't censor it... They don't like controversial videos making it into the popular lists.
We show the 1-hr documentary at Harvard on Oct 26, Dartmouth and UNH Durham on Oct 27, Saint Anselm on Oct 28, and in New York on Oct 30 at the
Metropolitan Republican Club. If you have a group who wants to sponsor a screening, I'll take it anywhere in the country.
If i may recommend, you should also post the whole documentary on google. Now, i understand that you have worked hard on this and you deserve to
recoup your production costs, but people really need to see this.
One example of effective google video marketing is Aaron Russo's America: Freedom To Fascism which exposes the fundamentally unsound
principals behind the Federal Reserve System, and the unjust taxation system that is required to pay the interest payments on our own money.
He posts it free, then asks people to visit his site and buy the DVD. It appeared to work very well and reach lots of people that wouldn't see it
otherwise.
Google, of course, deleted it a few times.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 02:07 PM by drumist69
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All I was meaning to say, in my post, was that to me it seems more important to look at the voting record of the candidates. Our system has devolved
into one where a candidate's position on real issues of national and global importance are hardly even discussed, in favor of discussion of scandals.
I guess its more sensationalistic. I've looked at Clinton's record, heard her talk about various policies in her platform, and have decided not to
vote for her. Therefore, any improprieties don't concern me. Now, if she were to win the nomination, the have at it! Andy
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 02:21 PM by groingrinder
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[size=4]Don't be so shocked. This is what happens when people become professional politicians. This is why I will never vote for any candidate who
is affiliated with any political party. For America to move forward and get away from political graft and corruption, it will be necessary to do away
with parties and professional politicians. Every politician running for President is the same as Hillary. They are all professional politicians.
Politics is their career and livelihood. It will be necessary to establish term limits on all political positions so that no one will be able to
become a professional politician. All professional politicians will then be replaced by CONCERNED CITIZENS who will serve their term, then graciously
step down and return to private life and allow another CONCERNED CITIZEN the opportunity to take the position they previously held. This was, I
believe, the intention of our founding fathers.[/size]
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 03:26 PM by CanadianVandal
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I'm pretty sure this is the video Hillary doesn't want you to see.
*SNIP!*
(Mod edit: Link removed. Let's stay on topic and save the reptilian videos for Skunk Works. --Majic)
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 03:40 PM by uberarcanist
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You've got it all wrong. Our founding fathers were professional politicians, after all. What do you want to do, get average joes or jills into the
White House? That's a grand idea-they'll be just as easily corrupted or misled as a poor person who has won the lottery.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 03:46 PM by groingrinder
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I totally disagree. They will not be professional politicians who make their livelihood from lying to the people. They will be motivated by public
service. Unlike the criminals we have now who are motivated by greed and power from years in office sucking the life's blood of the American
taxpayer. The founding fathers were mostly farmers and tradesmen, not professional politicians.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 03:50 PM by uberarcanist
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Was Jefferson an average Joe? What about Washington? How many people actually do things out of ulterior motives? No, I would rather have
someone with experience. There are plenty of professional politicians who are not corrupt, Hillary just isn't one of them.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 06:10 PM by goose
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Good observation, I think Bill and the daddy Bush might have been friends a lot longer than anyone realizes. Here is a link that you might find
interesting, there is a book and movie out about this incident.
www.idfiles.com...
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 06:15 PM by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
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All this hype over HRC for no reason. Great post, there is no doubt that gal is evil as hell. This country will not elect a woman or a black man to
POTUS. Will not happen. Maybe in another 3-4 election cycles, but not yet. If you are honest with yourself and take a good hard look at this country
you will see I am rught. All the GOP has to do is find a hispanic VP and they will win in a landslide.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 06:16 PM by Redge777
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I think what a person is experienced at makes a difference to, if a person is experienced at turning control over to corporations, and deceiving the
American people, that is not the expert I want running things.
On a side note, saying the president runs things is a bit naive, I just watched an interview with a Watergate player, he said when it was all going
down, Nixon called a Rockefeller and was heard saying on the phone, that he did not think a president should be put in jail. Who is really pulling
the stings.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 07:50 PM by DINSTAAR
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Saying that HRC is less corrupt than Bush is an invalid argument to dismiss the alligations. If someone is corrupt 'a little bit' they are
still corrupt, yes?
Corruption is a lot like being dead. One cannot be less dead or more dead than anyone else. If a politician is corrupt, this shows that they do not
have the people best interest and are motivated by selfish endeavors. Thats scary on any side of the political spectrum.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 08:14 PM by Realtruth
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Everyone talks about taking the government back and then everything will be alright.
What a bunch of crap!
The only people that will get hurt is the little people, because the people in high places will just piss off when things get ugly, then the
corporations that manufacture weapons will profit from the idiots shooting at each (little people). Things will calm down after a bit and the same
scumbags will work their way back in quickly.
I wish I had an answer.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 09:33 PM by sp00n1
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Every revolution is based on this basic premise. Those seeking power speak out about any number of the injustices we see in society and claim that
they are going to fix it. Once they win public support, then throw out the old government.
Once the new government is in place, its the same old #. The idea of "revolution" is used by the rich to get more power once they grow tired of the
old government. Nothing ever changes.
It's very machiavellian. It's also very Orwellian, as this was "the secret" that Winston Smith was reading about in the brotherhood's banned
book.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 09:53 PM by motherofsquirrelkiller
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With what the powerful, wealthy, and corrupt people like the Clinton's have, I'm sure that many of the politicians are afraid to speak out for fear
of being assinated. Suicides are so 'easy' to fake for these people with money to pay professionals to clear the way toward thier political
victories.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 10:36 PM by Redge777
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Originally posted by Realtruth
I wish I had an answer.
I had an answer, nobody has argued it in a way that would make it any worse then the system we have today. Well unless you are powerful or rich, but
I am speaking equal system for all Americans.
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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 10:57 PM by uberarcanist
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So all the polls showing Hillary with a commanding lead (all of them do, BTW) are bogus?
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reply posted on 22-10-2007 @ 10:31 AM by Areal51
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 Might as well play those videos on Comedy Central. They're as funny as anything the station regularly programs. Like corrupt politicians are
"a threat to the country and the rest of the world." HAHHAHAHA!!! That's just the most ridiculous thing that anybody could say today. Why?
Because 99.9% of them are corrupt. And all the damage they've caused can only be undone with long term, extremely long term, solutions. That is it.
Damage and collateral damage have been done. Corrupt politician are NORMAL. Doesn't make it right, just that it is what one expects them to be.
Don't get me wrong, I'd vote for the good guy (I'm an idealist) every time , but I don't think he or she would get too far since a den of
predators would be waiting to be dealt with. It kind of makes more sense to vote for the dirtiest one can find, because at least we know he or she
is going to hold their own against the other.
In this day and age, I'd be surprised if this would matter on voting day. Oh, folks will scream and shout for days on end, but I doubt the effect
would be rendered any differently had these allegations never surfaced. Folks already have their minds made up about who they would vote for. This
is so regardless of all the sick, pedophilia, embezzlement, racketeering, fraud, coercion, and a bunch of other words that all mean the same thing,
charges and allegations of the past regarding any politician.
"A dirty politician fleeces a felon."  Whoo! Gonna set the house on fire with that one. Really, put this stuff on the Cartoon Network-Adult
Swim. Call it, "The Felon Who Cries Mommy!"  Nothing like watching Batman beat the crap out of all those jokers. Only problem is, who's
Batman, really?
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reply posted on 23-10-2007 @ 05:41 AM by poltergeist
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Well in reply to voting with our feet and leaving he country. I totally agree with that statement because I have great foresight on alot of things and
I forsee that we will not be able to fix this because this is something bigger than all of us. The only thing we can do is go somewhere where their
rules don't directly apply.
Bush is working on an NAU and the UN is already its own entity so neither of those would be good places to reside. I do have some good ideas
though...
Venezuela is still selling land that is yours to keep without having to pay taxes and Venezuela is not cooperating with Bush. Another idea is to go
hide in the lion's den and live in Russia or China. I really don't think they hate Americans... I think they hate our govt and Bush. Switzerland
doesn't sound like a bad idea either. Amsterdam ( the netherlands region ) will probably soon be locked down and will become patrolled by military
forces as well. That was recently mentioned in the news as being talked about. I wouldn't doubt it if it happened. The whole point of them doing what
they are doing is to create two entities and basically monopolize things so to speak. It all has to do with money, greed, and power.
I dunno about anyone else but Venezuela is sounding good right about now. Also wouldn't hurt to do some research into Bearden's motionless energy
generator patent and see how viable that is.
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