posted on Dec, 5 2002 @ 07:58 AM
"Haven't seen much reliable these days on getting jailed for snagging docs from the government"
Well, I would take issue with the statement, purely because I don't the think govt. would want to state documents viewed in any prosecutions. They
would merely indicate where computers or networks had been compromised. To get into the specifics of what documents were viewed etc could compromise
their preceived national security... simple example - suppose yer hacker breaks in and views 'nuclear_stations_without_protection.txt' and then this
gets mentioned in court as part of the activites documented by the hacker. This would precipitate questions being asked by the press and others as to
the contents of that document... now seeing as the hacker most probably hasn't signed some non-disclosure agreement, they are technically 'free' to
mention in court or after the case what the contents might be... I'm sure you can extrapolate this example to a number of other scenarios.
As for cases, your govt. has recently applied for extradition of a dude here in UK for compromising a number of networks including NASA, bet there's
some pretty interesting stuff there.
And as for recommending stuff that might get someone jailed.. well, I respect your view. Mine is a little different (obviously ). There are plenty
of objects out here in this world that are illegal to use in one form or another. Take the gun for example - a fav in your country - legal to own and
shoot on ranges etc.. illegal to shoot at a person or brandish in public unless authorised to do so. Now, links I supplied are all for informational
purposes, what you choose to do with that knowlegde is upto the end user. I warned him that misuse may result in penalities, but at the end of the
day, its his reponsibility. I would consider myself more irresponsible if I withheld information like that.. after all where would we all be if we
didn't share information?
I agree hackers are concentrating more on credit card fraud etc... but at the conference was it really about somebody sitting inbetween the card
authoriser and the purchaser as it used to be or more a case of using the pda to hold the numbers from swipers (perhaps even convering them to be
swipers themselves) and then using those numbers on the net to obtain goods etc? even setting up sites that mirror the original site and diverting
some trafffic their way to obtain the card numbers?
AS for what the old and new are doing.. I'd say there are plenty of new ppl interested in info gathering, its just you don;t really hear about them
as much as when some script kiddie brings down a server either intentionally or accidentally.. I can't help thinking that a good proportion of hacks
by newer ppl are just accidental / experimental. They learn or see something new and decide to play, not knowing or thinking about the end product.
Granted we learn by our mistakes, but some of those mistakes are pretty big and can ruin other ppl.
Turning into an essay here but, also.. the newer ones tend to be younger and things like credit card fraud means that they can afford things they
couldn't normally get their hands on for a few more years.. info gatherers (I think) tend to be more settled in terms of jobs and lifestyle - they
are not out to impress everyone on the block with their el33t skillz - more mature, you know.
At the end of the day, I'm all for everyone gaining as much info as possible - how they use that info is up to them and they must consider the
consequences of their actions. Sys admins need things like sniffer programs to see where the holes are in their networks and where to patch them. It
aso gives them a good idea of where hackers might try and if they wanted to, set honey traps and the like to record and monitor the ongoing
If we took a M$ view of 'sharing' security information .i.e. they are reluctant to do so and always after they have been alerted to the fact and
actually bothered to create a patch, then I would bet that all govt. networks would have been compromised severely by all other technologically
advanced countries with net access. Only by sharing do we grow and make things stronger - individualists may grow quickly for a short time but will
always be pegged back and eventually wither or be absorbed into the society...