Police Use Tazer On Women who is 8 months pregnant

reply to post by Lady of the Lake


how did the cop know what was going on though?
what if this woman was swinging trying to fight two men off of her?

imo, that is all beside the point.
i agree that jumping in the middle of a scuffle while pregnant is not a good idea. that still does not give the cop the right to taze her or like another poster said, 'hit her with the power'

so she uses bad judgement so the cop gets to as well?

All I can say is don't ever point a tazer at me. They are in fact deadly weapons.

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I for one refuse to get tazered.

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Why is it we need police?


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I agree the cop should not get off. Hell I myself will never side with the police.
But I do know what kind of people they deal with. I see your point.
But let me tell you, I have seen some women get down with the
best of men. And Police scuffles.

Is it right to tazer a pregnant women?
No, But that's sometimes... how should I say this?
You Put the fire out. Things in bad areas can escalate rather quickly.

Groups form in the streets fast, when it's show time. so to speak.
And if a cop is by himself. and I am not sure if this one was.
But if they are in a setting like that. It can and will get ugly for the
said officer. I don't condone any tazering what so ever. Just trying
to point out a different view.

Originally posted by Jenna
You have got to be kidding me... Eight months pregnant and he couldn't tell? That's about the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my entire life. All he had to do was look at the woman and he would've had a pretty good idea that she was pregnant.

Actully sometimes it is hard to tell. When I was 8 months I went into a store I frequent all the time and talk to the people, no one knew I was pregnant. Few weeks later I walk in with a baby... the lady assumed I was babysitting and my fiancee and I said no, this is ours. She had no clue I was pregnant.(Yes I am a bigger woman... not as big as some... but still sizeable.)

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Wow.

Just another example of incompetent people being put in positions of authority.

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Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
reply to post by annestacey

 

Whilst I am concerned for the baby I share your view. The woman was 8-months pregnant and she is the the middle of a fight between two men!!!!!

Doesn't appear that she was too concerned for her unborn. The policeman on the other hand is trying to break up the fight - I wonder if it would enter his head (in the heat of the moment) that an 8-month pregnant woman would be in this position. My instant tells me - no he wouldn't. I haven't seen a photo of the woman but I have also been in the position of mistaking overweight for pregnant.

First off, she was not in between two "men" one of those "men" was her son. She was in between two teenaged kids. There is a difference.

Secondly, how could you not have seen a picture of them women? It has been posted on this thread twice.

There is NO WAY anyone could mistake THIS women for being overweight instead of pregnant. NO possible way.

Originally posted by C21H30O2I
She made the decision to be the bad ass of the bunch, Until someone bigger came along. Let me say I am not for the cop either but there is noway she should be rewarded or even patted on the back! This is an area where people neglect their children on a regular basis.

SO you know this women? You know for a fact she is a crackhead and she is using crack while pregnant? You know for a fact she was not breaking up a fight but participating in it? You know beyond any shadow of a doubt that she is just trying to make a quick and easy buck? It sounds to me like you are judging the an entire group of people based on what section of town they live on. I got news for you, I have lived in the ghetto. I lived in places most people wouldn't walk in after the sun goes down. Not everyone who lives in an area like that is a crackhead, a gang member, trouble, a thief, a murder etc etc. Some people, believe it or not live in those areas but are actually trying to better themselves.


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I'd like to see how nice South Carolina would be without those evil police officers. Officers of the law get nailed for everything and anything these days when something goes wrong but what about all the good that they do for you? We can't speculate on why he zapped the woman until it's known. Most likely the woman didn't do as she was told and payed the penalty. Did he know she was pregnant in the heat of the moment? Who knows. Maybe he should have waited till a gun was pulled or a knife and while at his funeral his family would have wondered why he didn't use his tazer!

The whole thing begins with the new training for cops. In the old days cops would put their hands on people..grab them, trun them around and handcuff them, usually alone and with no dogs and back ups. The new way is to avoid touching people at all until they are totally subservient and face down in the dirt or hot street.

It is a shame. Cops have killed, shot to death, people who simply would not obey orders to get down, for one reason or another, including a man who was out of his mind and in shock from being burned almost to death in a car crash..the cops shot him to death even though he was naked and burned, simply becaiuse he was walking toward them and could not comprehend their screams to lay down. Rather than gently guide the victim to an ambulance....maybe even actuall having to touch the poor soul, they drew their guns and murdered him. Its on Youtube.

Cops today are taught the MILITARY way of taking prisoners and that is to disarm and subdue them without mercy as if they were enemies and not the people paying their salaries. It is a sick and awful reality. Cops that will not walk up and take hold of a person are cowards and potential murderers because they refuse to get close enough to a ' suspect ' REGARDLESS of whether or not he is armed..the cops need to get their nerve back and be able to walk up to someone and take charge, without using deadly force as a FIRST OPTION.

These days, cops use more and more force at earlier stages of a confrontation. Even when dealing with the mentally ill and intoxicated people, the cops expect INSTANT and TOTAL compliance with their ' orders ', and if you are not fast enough or they sense any ' attitude ' about you, they will use brutal and unneeded force and they do so without regard for the consequences to you. Cops that kneel on peoples necks are the cause of may injuries and broken necks and bones, improper choke holds and baton misuse accounts for thousands of brutaility suits a year.

And remember, for every brutality lawsuit filed, you can damn well bet that 100 people were abused and never had the means to complian. It is routine to the cops. it is normal. they expect to pay out millions a year in judgements to people that are damaged or killed by police misconduct. Business as usual. But the main point is that POLICE TRAINING is the direct cause of this issue, and the training is done more and more by military people and along military guidelines and not by coincidence, I assure you.

Until the training changes, cops will kill and injure far more people..if they would just take control and do what cops did for ages before all of the weapons were made that torture as well as incapacitate: Grab the guy and cuff him. but that takes guts and you can trade a lot of weapons and Tazers and batons for a little guts.Cops should not be afraid to approach an obvioulsy unarmed person and take them into custody; there is NO GOOD REASON for everyone to have to spreadeagle on the steaming pavement or filthy ground, including the disabled, all so some cop can make sure that he never has any risk whatsoever.

If they want no risk they should become a crooked politician or corporate CEO, and leave the job of cop up to those with some courage and the desire to get the job donw the best and most pogical way; the way that doesn't hurt the people they are supposed to serve.

I think the officer had an itchy finger and was overdue at the gun range. No wait, I think he was late for his sensitivity training. What did he think, the fetus was going to try to strangle him with the embilical cord?

Do you remember a while back when a security guard tasered a kindergartner for being unruly.

How long before the cops start to taser babies? God knows that the hard soled shoes can cause some damage

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reply to post by annestacey


The woman was trying to break up the fight because her son was one of them fighting.

All of this makes me sick. Soon we'll need another police force to protect us from the ones we have just now. Even worse, Tasers are on the BBC news today. Here's a snippet - Concerns have been raised for public safety as Taser stun guns are made available to more police officers in England and Wales.
Officers in 10 forces, who are not firearms specialists, will be able to use the 50,000-volt Tasers to protect themselves or the public.

Amnesty International fears police using the weapons in the one-year trial may not be properly trained.

The Home Office says officers will undergo a rigorous selection procedure.

Until now, about 3,000 Tasers had been issued in Britain, but only to members of police firearms units.


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Originally posted by I See You
We can't speculate on why he zapped the woman until it's known. Most likely the woman didn't do as she was told and payed the penalty.

uhhhh, if we can't speculate, then why are you speculating?
see, when you say "most likely she didn't do as she was told" is speculation..

also, what makes you say this? how about, "most likely, the cop was a power hungry prick that just wanted to taze someone"...specualtion(even though thats about what i believe)

also, how is one supposed to know the penalty is to be tazed and for what command?
i really didn't know(yes i did actually) that cops operated in this geustapo'esq manner. you know, issuing commands and then if the subject does not comply the geustapo fuzz can issue the 'proper penalty'...


you and others take the side of the copper straight away? why?
why do facts get distorted like she was fighting with two men cause she was not....


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reply to post by section8citizen

I've heard it all before. and yes I am making that judgment. If I'm wrong sorry,
More than likely I am not. Your keyword is you use to live in the "ghetto", I still do.
So theres nothing you can tell me about that life, nada.

No need to get heated because I don't agree with your post. Mostly I'm just trying to view a different perspective. And your reaction is just what I expected. Thanks for the stimulating thread btw.

reply to post by eyewitness86


i love your posts on the fuzz man. seriously, no sarcasm.
i feel how you do. the cops will get over on you any way they can. they are creampuffs now. i am not saying that if you are approaching the friggin hells angels or something 20 strong you don't break out a weapon and approach but when you see a pregnant woman or a mentally ill dude with scissors or a burned up dude from a wreck, force should NOT be the first thing used.

i think cops seem afraid to take their lumps. i read a poster on here(can't remember the name but they are a cop) and they said it is "their job to come home safe at the end of the day" and that really struck me and sat strange, and still does. that is NOT a cops job. their job is to protect and serve the public and HOPEFULLY you get to come home at the end of the day.
it seems to me like many cops shouldn't be cops.

these days, to me, they want to carry steel, roll through places with the blues on knowing they can push people around...
gone are the days of protecting and serving.

what is the first thing MOST people do when they see the cops, even if they have done nothing wrong?
if in the car, the immediately hit the break pedal
if you are on your porch and they pull to your house, you first thought is 'oh crap'


people don't want the cops around anymore and imo, you are no more safe with them. you are about as likely to get tuned up by a cop as you are some stranger.

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Thanks, Thats the perspective I was going for. Although I didn't succeed in doing so. But my words exactly. Sorry for the short post.

Originally posted by badw0lf
Over the years I've heard of cops breaking down, acting irrationally, making mistakes etc... and it reminds me of a case where a cop punched and broke a mouthy kids jaw in the police lockup here, many years ago, in Fremantle. The kid was in custody, in a lockup full of officers, and this one cop lost it, and punched him and if it weren't for the camera in the lockup, it would never have made it obvious what happened. (BTW, the cop was given paid desk bound work, and kept his job. sigh)

Good points For sure, It reminds me of the fact statement " Absolute Power corrupts Absolutly". Some not all police have gone over the top and use thier power as a way to direct authority over everyone they come in contact with. We have some cops in the small town i come from who do push thier power to the limits. I guess they figure they are not to be held to the same standards we are. I dont think it is rampant but seems to be picking up. I do however respect the police greatly for what thier responsibilities include. They have a very tough job to be sure.

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Originally posted by wigit
All of this makes me sick. Soon we'll need another police force to protect us from the ones we have just now. Even worse, Tasers are on the BBC news today. Here's a snippet - Concerns have been raised for public safety as Taser stun guns are made available to more police officers in England and Wales.
Officers in 10 forces, who are not firearms specialists, will be able to use the 50,000-volt Tasers to protect themselves or the public.

Of course we dont wanrt to blame the tazer , YOu are absolutly right in your point that its the people useing them in this manner that is the problum. I agree 100% the tazer has its place in law enforcement. Training must be done for all users. I personally would hope to never be in that situation to be snapped by a bit of voltage but the alternative is much worse. A hit from a 9mm +P+ hollow point would pretty much ruin your life in most cases. The police need to be policed IMO thats why they have IA depts. Screening processes need to be revised as well. However, it really boils down to the pay range of the regular law enforcement officers. IMO the lower the pay grade the lower the Quality of law officer you get. MY opinion of course.

Take care

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it goes right back to the pic of this woman. She is not a fat woman. She is not armed. What difference does it make if she is a big gal. I am a big gal. I have never been pregnant however, but if I became pregnant I am sure it would show soon enough. Unless your morbidly obese your gonna know when a woman is pregnant man. She could be dangerous, but at 8 months pregnant, I highly doubt it. What concerns me is that some cop, for whatever reason, saw fit to shoot this pregnant woman twice.
That is very very disturbing to me on the highest regard.

Why?

What about the baby?
He used his power on her plain and simple.
The days of andy taylor and barney are over. Cops are military kinda cops. They have weapons that only military kinda folks have.

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Cops are crossing lines folks.
Big time.
This is becomming the norm and it has got to stop.