reply to post by Anonymous ATS
Yes....Anonymous. That's how I understand it as well.
the ISS is in a 'parked orbit'....it is high enough so that there is minimal drag for the upper atmosphere.
A Shuttle STS launch must be timed to play 'catch-up' with the ISS. This is basic space science, orbital mechanics.
IF the Shuttle contains special ET-derived technology, such that would allow it to move counter to Newtonian Physics as we understand it.....then
maybe someone would have noticed?
Let's instead, say that.....for the record.....Secret Space Stations exist. OK? It is a though experiment. Now, if these SSSs exist, why in the
heck would they need to rely on something like the Space Shuttle????!!!???
See the loss of logic here?
I'm not saying that the SSS don't exist....I'm just saying it makes NO sense at all to assume that STS missions somehow rendezvous with them, and
no one notices.
Makes far more sense to imagine ET-derived spacecraft that can navigate and rendezvous with the SSS...all done in secret.
I mean...if you have a Secret Space Station.....why would you allow a very, very puplic Space Shuttle to rendezvous with it????
It simply beggars logic.........
Did the Space Shuttle dock at the Secret Space Station tonight?, page 39
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Nova agrees with you as well 
reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 01:57 AM by zorgon
STS-36 - February 28, 1990
STS-36 was a space shuttle mission by NASA using the Space Shuttle Atlantis. It was the 34th mission, and carried a payload for the U.S. Department of Defense (believed to have been a Misty reconnaissance satellite). It was the sixth flight for Atlantis, the fourth night launch of the program, and the second night launch since Shuttle flights resumed in 1988.
Orbit altitude: 132 nautical miles (245 km)
Orbit inclination: 62.0 degrees
The sixth shuttle launch dedicated entirely to the Department of Defense, STS-36's payload is classified. STS-36 launched a single satellite, 1990-019B (USA-53), also described as AFP-731. Other objects (1990-019C-G) have appeared in orbit since its deployment.
It has been reported that USA-53 was an Advanced KH-11 photo-reconnaissance satellite that used an all-digital imaging system to return pictures. The KH-11 series is a digital imaging photo- reconnaissance satellite with both visual and infrared sensors. USA-53, nicknamed "Misty", was tracked briefly by amateur satellite observers in October and November 1990.
The launch trajectory was unique to this flight, and allowed the mission to reach an orbital inclination of 62°, the deployment orbit of its payload, while the normal maximum inclination for a shuttle flight is 57°. This so-called "dog-leg" trajectory saw Atlantis fly downrange on a normal launch azimuth, and then maneuver to a higher launch azimuth once out over the water. Although the maneuver resulted in a reduction of vehicle performance, it was the only way to reach the required deployment orbit from the Kennedy Space Center (originally, the flight had been slated to launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, until the shuttle launch facilities there were mothballed in 1989). Flight rules that prohibit overflight of land were suspended, with the trajectory taking the vehicle over or near Cape Hatterras, Cape Cod, and parts of Canada. The payload was considered to be of importance to national security, hence the suspension of normal flight rules.
STS-38 - November 15, 1990
STS-38 was a space shuttle mission by NASA using the Space Shuttle Atlantis. It was the 37th shuttle mission, and carried a classified payload for the U.S. Department of Defense. Seventh mission dedicated to Department of Defense.
STS-39 - April 28, 1991
STS-39 was the first unclassified Department of Defense (DoD)-dedicated Space Shuttle mission. There had previously been seven Shuttle missions dedicated to the DoD, but those were considered classified and information about the operation or success of the payloads or experiments was not released. For STS-39, only the payload in the Multi-Purpose Experiment Canister (MPEC) was listed as classified.
Orbit altitude: 140 nautical miles (259 km)
Orbit inclination: 57.0 degrees
The crew was divided into two teams for around-the-clock operations. Among other activities, the crew made observations of the atmosphere and gas releases, Discovery’s orbital environment, and firings of the orbiter's engines, in wavelengths ranging from infrared to far ultraviolet. As part of the sophisticated experiments, five spacecraft or satellites were deployed from the payload bay, and one was retrieved later during the mission.
The high orbital inclination of the mission, 57 degrees with respect to the equator, allowed the crew to fly over most of Earth's large land masses and observe and record environmental resources and problem areas.
May 6, 1991, 2:55:35 p.m. EDT, Runway 15, Kennedy Space Center, FL. Rollout distance: 9,235 ft, rollout time: 56 s. Landing diverted to KSC because of unacceptably high winds at planned landing site, Edwards.
Landing weight: 211,512 lb (95,940 kg).
STS-39: The "Malarkey Milkshake"
From this position, the crew will remotely command the SPAS-II/IBSS to point its imaging systems at Discovery for the first plume observation. Once the experiments are properly trained on Discovery, one OMS engine will be fired for 20 seconds. The result of the burn will be to propel Discovery north, off of its previous orbital groundtrack, without changing the spacecraft's altitude. A burn with this lateral effect is known as "out-of-plane." In order to set up the next observation and remain aligned with the SPAS-II for precise rendezvous maneuvers, immediately following the burn, the crew will perform a "fast-flip" yaw maneuver, using RCS jets to turn Discovery's nose around 180 degrees to the south. A single-engine OMS braking burn will then be performed to stop Discovery's travel at a point less than a mile north of its previous groundtrack. Using RCS jets, the crew will return Discovery to its starting position, on its originalgroundtrack behind the SPAS-II. As Discovery drifts back to the starting point, a "fast-flip" reversal will turn the spacecraft's nose back to the north. This unique series of multiple OMS and RCS maneuvers has been dubbed the "Malarkey Milkshake" in recognition of John Malarkey, the JSC rendezvous guidance team leader who developed the back-and-forth sequence.
STS-44 - November 24, 1991
STS-53 - December 2, 1992
Ll backup material and photos is here
www.thelivingmoon.com...
[edit on 25-6-2008 by zorgon]
STS-36 was a space shuttle mission by NASA using the Space Shuttle Atlantis. It was the 34th mission, and carried a payload for the U.S. Department of Defense (believed to have been a Misty reconnaissance satellite). It was the sixth flight for Atlantis, the fourth night launch of the program, and the second night launch since Shuttle flights resumed in 1988.
Orbit altitude: 132 nautical miles (245 km)
Orbit inclination: 62.0 degrees
The sixth shuttle launch dedicated entirely to the Department of Defense, STS-36's payload is classified. STS-36 launched a single satellite, 1990-019B (USA-53), also described as AFP-731. Other objects (1990-019C-G) have appeared in orbit since its deployment.
It has been reported that USA-53 was an Advanced KH-11 photo-reconnaissance satellite that used an all-digital imaging system to return pictures. The KH-11 series is a digital imaging photo- reconnaissance satellite with both visual and infrared sensors. USA-53, nicknamed "Misty", was tracked briefly by amateur satellite observers in October and November 1990.
The launch trajectory was unique to this flight, and allowed the mission to reach an orbital inclination of 62°, the deployment orbit of its payload, while the normal maximum inclination for a shuttle flight is 57°. This so-called "dog-leg" trajectory saw Atlantis fly downrange on a normal launch azimuth, and then maneuver to a higher launch azimuth once out over the water. Although the maneuver resulted in a reduction of vehicle performance, it was the only way to reach the required deployment orbit from the Kennedy Space Center (originally, the flight had been slated to launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, until the shuttle launch facilities there were mothballed in 1989). Flight rules that prohibit overflight of land were suspended, with the trajectory taking the vehicle over or near Cape Hatterras, Cape Cod, and parts of Canada. The payload was considered to be of importance to national security, hence the suspension of normal flight rules.
STS-38 - November 15, 1990
STS-38 was a space shuttle mission by NASA using the Space Shuttle Atlantis. It was the 37th shuttle mission, and carried a classified payload for the U.S. Department of Defense. Seventh mission dedicated to Department of Defense.
STS-39 - April 28, 1991
STS-39 was the first unclassified Department of Defense (DoD)-dedicated Space Shuttle mission. There had previously been seven Shuttle missions dedicated to the DoD, but those were considered classified and information about the operation or success of the payloads or experiments was not released. For STS-39, only the payload in the Multi-Purpose Experiment Canister (MPEC) was listed as classified.
Orbit altitude: 140 nautical miles (259 km)
Orbit inclination: 57.0 degrees
The crew was divided into two teams for around-the-clock operations. Among other activities, the crew made observations of the atmosphere and gas releases, Discovery’s orbital environment, and firings of the orbiter's engines, in wavelengths ranging from infrared to far ultraviolet. As part of the sophisticated experiments, five spacecraft or satellites were deployed from the payload bay, and one was retrieved later during the mission.
The high orbital inclination of the mission, 57 degrees with respect to the equator, allowed the crew to fly over most of Earth's large land masses and observe and record environmental resources and problem areas.
May 6, 1991, 2:55:35 p.m. EDT, Runway 15, Kennedy Space Center, FL. Rollout distance: 9,235 ft, rollout time: 56 s. Landing diverted to KSC because of unacceptably high winds at planned landing site, Edwards.
Landing weight: 211,512 lb (95,940 kg).
STS-39: The "Malarkey Milkshake"
From this position, the crew will remotely command the SPAS-II/IBSS to point its imaging systems at Discovery for the first plume observation. Once the experiments are properly trained on Discovery, one OMS engine will be fired for 20 seconds. The result of the burn will be to propel Discovery north, off of its previous orbital groundtrack, without changing the spacecraft's altitude. A burn with this lateral effect is known as "out-of-plane." In order to set up the next observation and remain aligned with the SPAS-II for precise rendezvous maneuvers, immediately following the burn, the crew will perform a "fast-flip" yaw maneuver, using RCS jets to turn Discovery's nose around 180 degrees to the south. A single-engine OMS braking burn will then be performed to stop Discovery's travel at a point less than a mile north of its previous groundtrack. Using RCS jets, the crew will return Discovery to its starting position, on its originalgroundtrack behind the SPAS-II. As Discovery drifts back to the starting point, a "fast-flip" reversal will turn the spacecraft's nose back to the north. This unique series of multiple OMS and RCS maneuvers has been dubbed the "Malarkey Milkshake" in recognition of John Malarkey, the JSC rendezvous guidance team leader who developed the back-and-forth sequence.
STS-44 - November 24, 1991
STS-53 - December 2, 1992
Ll backup material and photos is here
www.thelivingmoon.com...
[edit on 25-6-2008 by zorgon]
reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 03:34 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by antar
Only ones I have are these
So if you were that close, just what DID they take off that ship?
What I am looking for might be in some barrels or something
[edit on 25-6-2008 by zorgon]
reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 11:36 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by zorgon
Z, the pic of the first pin has a distinctive Star Trek look, does it not?
I'm growing encouraged! Captain picard is around here somewhere!!!
Z, the pic of the first pin has a distinctive Star Trek look, does it not?
I'm growing encouraged! Captain picard is around here somewhere!!!
reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 01:06 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Z, the pic of the first pin has a distinctive Star Trek look, does it not?
Hehe Just where do you think Roddenberry got his material from?
So does Space Command's symbol BTW
Badge...
Pin...
They have several denoting rank etc...
reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 01:29 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by zorgon
OMG!!
So Roddenberry, who was in the Navy, then a Police Officer in the LAPD (My step-dad was an LAPD Officer) and finally found fame...and fortune. Well, not fame, that came later....but good work writing in Hollywood.
Zorgon, you DO know, of course, that the iconic logo that IS Star Trek, today, was only to represent the one ship, in Roddenberry's mind. The 'Enterprise'??
If you remember, Roddenberry imagined a fleet (a 'Starfleet') of 12 ships.
I can't remember all of the names....just a few....the 'Exeter', the 'Constellation', the 'Farragut'....the 'Intrepid'....and, of course, the 'Enterprise'.
I could access my Star Trek videos to include all of the twelve ships, but it's easily available online.
SO, Zorgon. Which came first?? The chicken, or the egg?
Meaning....what was the date of the mission patch you generously provided? I will go look, after I hit the *post reply* button.....
Edit...to add....the point of this thread, If I May jump in....it was started by the esteemed JL. Who I still have great respect for...even if I have disagreements on certain issues, it is the nature of ATS to encourage discussion, unless I'm mistaken.
Writing....it is hard. It has no ability to show the hints of body language, nuance, and such. We seem, sometimes....on a site such as ATS, or anywhere else, to agree with each other, but because of the limits of the keyboard, we seem to sound annoying, or worse. This is bad.....
I wish everyone could take a step back (in analogy) and a deep breath....and think very long and hard, before jumping on the keyboard.
This, I have learned. This is my advice. And, my advice, and about 3$ will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks!!!!!
[edit on 6/26/0808 by weedwhacker]
OMG!!
So Roddenberry, who was in the Navy, then a Police Officer in the LAPD (My step-dad was an LAPD Officer) and finally found fame...and fortune. Well, not fame, that came later....but good work writing in Hollywood.
Zorgon, you DO know, of course, that the iconic logo that IS Star Trek, today, was only to represent the one ship, in Roddenberry's mind. The 'Enterprise'??
If you remember, Roddenberry imagined a fleet (a 'Starfleet') of 12 ships.
I can't remember all of the names....just a few....the 'Exeter', the 'Constellation', the 'Farragut'....the 'Intrepid'....and, of course, the 'Enterprise'.
I could access my Star Trek videos to include all of the twelve ships, but it's easily available online.
SO, Zorgon. Which came first?? The chicken, or the egg?
Meaning....what was the date of the mission patch you generously provided? I will go look, after I hit the *post reply* button.....
Edit...to add....the point of this thread, If I May jump in....it was started by the esteemed JL. Who I still have great respect for...even if I have disagreements on certain issues, it is the nature of ATS to encourage discussion, unless I'm mistaken.
Writing....it is hard. It has no ability to show the hints of body language, nuance, and such. We seem, sometimes....on a site such as ATS, or anywhere else, to agree with each other, but because of the limits of the keyboard, we seem to sound annoying, or worse. This is bad.....
I wish everyone could take a step back (in analogy) and a deep breath....and think very long and hard, before jumping on the keyboard.
This, I have learned. This is my advice. And, my advice, and about 3$ will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks!!!!!
[edit on 6/26/0808 by weedwhacker]
reply posted on 25-12-2011 @ 02:56 AM by qmantoo
I realise this is a really REALLY old thread but this is relevant to it. I could start another but then this thread would be lost. Anyway, in case
anyone reads it....
I found this in a comment on here - my emphrasis. This guy just might be telling the truth - it is possible.
2107keith says:
April 6th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
@2107keith No!!!!!I’m not that lucky. Ha! Ha! I meant that I’ve seen alot of still classified experimental forms of propulsion. In the the Air Force I was a propulsion Specialist, and while at Edwards the Shuttle landed about 9 times 4 of those were seceret missions, almost got arrested when I pulled over to the side of the road to photoraph the shuttle one day after a seceret mission. I was extremely carefull of security, but they came out of nowhere.(Just got soiled shorts and a warning!)Ha
I found this in a comment on here - my emphrasis. This guy just might be telling the truth - it is possible.
2107keith says:
April 6th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
@2107keith No!!!!!I’m not that lucky. Ha! Ha! I meant that I’ve seen alot of still classified experimental forms of propulsion. In the the Air Force I was a propulsion Specialist, and while at Edwards the Shuttle landed about 9 times 4 of those were seceret missions, almost got arrested when I pulled over to the side of the road to photoraph the shuttle one day after a seceret mission. I was extremely carefull of security, but they came out of nowhere.(Just got soiled shorts and a warning!)Ha
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