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reply posted on 12-2-2004 @ 01:54 AM by amantine
Originally posted by RogueOne
What would we do without the "party line"? Perhaps you know Philip Klass?




Originally posted by RogueOne
According to your source, there are "2 million blocks of stone" -- not "million".


Sorry, that's my spelling mistake. My calculations did have 2*10^6 = 2 million.

The original topic was about the "true purpose", not ramblings such as "The pyramids were probably monuments for the pharaos. I agree that there is not much evidence they were used as a tomb . . ." etc.


It is the best hypothesis. There is a clear evolution from small mastaba to pyramids. Mastaba were used as tombs and monuments. "Excavations of Zoser’s Step Pyramid reveal that many changes in design occurred during its construction. First, an unusual square mastaba was built in the unusual material of stone. Then it was added to, in various stages, until it became rectangular, then built upwards to become a four step pyramid, then extended on two sides and upwards to become a six step pyramid, which was its final form. All of this indicates that there was no sudden infusion of new ideas from ‘somewhere else’ that suddenly changed ‘primitive’ Egyptians into brilliant engineers and stonemasons, a theory beloved of the more irrational speculators on matters Egyptian." (source)

You state that "The pyramids are by no means too perfect for ancient 'struction' methods. You can use ropes with sticks to create straight lines." REALLY?
Yet, your own source states that "it is not known how the blocks were put in place" ...and "The maximum error between side lengths is astonishingly less than 0.1%" ... plus "the interior stones fit so well, a card won't fit between them"!


The funny thing with ropes is that if you put one between two sticks you get a straight line. Straight enough for a 0.1% difference. That's a difference of:

229 m * 0.001 = 0,229 m = 22,9 cm.

In my opinion this is easily possible with ropes and good trained engineers (or their egyptain equivalent).

Originally posted by RogueOne
You conclude that there is "absolutely no evidence of an earlier advanced civilization." Would you like to bet on that? Read Hancock, et al.


I would. Unless you count monuments build thousands of years and thousands of kilometres apart mirroring different constellations not that well as evidence of an ancient civilization. The pyramids in Egypt and South America were build thousands of years apart and for different purposes. The cultures just both used the most most easy and stable structure for their buildings.

Since it seems you have read Hancock better than me, please give any other evidence of an ancient civilization.

[Edited on 12-2-2004 by amantine]


reply posted on 12-2-2004 @ 08:11 AM by Byrd
Originally posted by LiesAllLies
Cna anyone shed light on what the true purpose of the Pyramids really are?


The Egyptians themselves (of that time) left many records about them (along with the remains of the huge cities of workmen that built them. They are the burial places of the (Pharoahs); smaller ones of them are for queens. Furthermore, there are prayers for the dead pharohs (mentioning them by name) on the burial complexes outside the pyramids as well as within some of them.

www.nationalgeographic.com...

www.egyptologyonline.com...

Here's a nice review of how they developed over time and includes pictures of other pyramids and dates when they were built:
www.egyptologyonline.com...

You can see artifacts (from the earliest excavations to modern excavations) here:
www.mfa.org...

Not all the kingly burials were done in monuments, though it had been a tradition for milennia. Earlier forms of the pyramid, from the mastaba to the step pyramid also exist:
www.osirisnet.net...

You can see a good list of them here (and some EXCELLENT pictures of interiors and settings):
www.osirisnet.net...


I have looked a lil bit over the net and found maps saying they are near nothing of importance... Why build somehting so unique and huge and monumental with out a place to put it?


NOWadays they're near "nothing important"... except the city of Cairo. 3,000-1500 years ago, these were huge cities; huge temple complexes, and they were all devoted to the Gods of Egypt, including the Pharohs.

This is a reconstruction of the area. Note that you could put an average American city in about the same amount of space:
www-oi.uchicago.edu...

Here's a more understandable map... but the scale isn't given:
www.egyptologyonline.com...

There's all sorts of wireframes on that page:
www-oi.uchicago.edu...

It wasn't in the center of Egyptian trade or in the capital.... but in the middle of the desert.


You're seeing it through today's eyes and not how it really looks:
www.mfa.org...

It's huge. It was oriented toward the rising sun (very important in their religion.) They built it out there because it was the ONLY convenient space across from Cairo. They couldn't have built it in the city itself; the monuments and so forth would have pushed out everyone and everything else, so they did the next best thing and started a NEW city across from Cairo: The City of the Dead (necropolis) and it existed specifically for worship purposes.


Here's a list of other pyramids, mastabas, and tombs:
www.ancient-egypt.org...


(and this is just an interesting page on the crowns and symbols: www.egyptologyonline.com... )


reply posted on 14-2-2004 @ 12:28 PM by Hamilton
Originally posted by RogueOne
There is only one man in the world who, by demonstration, has supported the claim, I know the secret of how the pyramids of Egypt were built!

Who was he?
Edward Leedskalnin

The man is now deceased.


According to "jdankanyin" in their forum, this was how he did it, and then possibly also how "the Egyptians" did it:

"Hello this is how he exactly built it.First he got the forula of the magneticism of the plant earth at his spot then he used loadstone on top of his tripod that was the same then when he place it over the spot with the same magnetic field anything in there would not have any gravity .It is like taking a magnet and putting another magnet against it and it repeles it.Also the building of stone hedge was used and the pyrimids were all done that way.also coral is very electromagnetic in nature since florida is lighting capitol of the world."

Blessings,
Mikromarius


reply posted on 15-2-2004 @ 12:39 PM by Donner
Originally posted by NetStorm
Originally posted by Donner
I would be much more impressed and open to ideas of advanced technologies or other 'assistance' in the creation of these monuments if, perhaps, they were huge cubes, or perhaps cones with perfectly circuler bases.


These were created by human hands....

www.ku.edu...



Yes, but I was refering to something on the scale of the Pyramids, specifically in regards to connectinos between the Egyption and central/south American pyramids.

My point was that finding pyramids built by two civilizations seprated by an ocean does not nessecarily mean there is some connecting force between the two civs. It simply means each reached the same logical conclusion when they undertook the building of a large stone structure. My examples of cubic or conical structures are definately NOT the most logical choices when considering the building materials and technology we can presently ascribe to them, so finding one of these on either side of the atlantic would give me much more reason to suspect some kind of connection between the two.


reply posted on 15-2-2004 @ 12:50 PM by amantine
Originally posted by billybob
www.greatdreams.com... check this amazing site out and don't listen to byrd's 'debunking' claims. nothing has been debunked except reality.


These use modern units, like degrees, miles, seconds, minutes when there is no proof that the egyptians used these units.

Now, if we multiply . . . 32 deg x 57 min x 28.8 sec . . . using the "numbers only" . . . we will be multiplying 32 x 57 x 28.8 . . . for a product of 52531.2. At this point, we look through the matrix to see if there is a figure "close to" 52531.2 . . . and we find such a figure in the number 52562.89164 . . . which turns out to encode the 'product' of certain math constants and a certain astronomical/geometric number, the multiplied product of . . .

RAD (deg) x Pi x 2Pi x Square Root of 2160 = 52562.89164


I can find better numbers than that. Not only are they about 31 off the real number, but they also use radiants and degrees, both units that the egyptians did not use. I don't really know how they decided to use 2160, but apparently it's a certain astronomical/geometric number.
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