teacher punches student in the face!!!

Originally posted by dunkleskates
the best part is how none of it matters. even if i could change one mind(which obviously i can't do here), the world does and will continue to use violence.

way to stick to your guns man!

rehab is for quitters!

Originally posted by Lysergic
way to stick to your guns man!

rehab is for quitters!

LMAO!!!

Originally posted by Ocelot

Originally posted by maynardsthirdeye
If a teacher would do that to my kid, I would have so much fun taking him to court and suing him for everything he's got. No way in hell I would thank him.

Oh yeah Good luck with raising them kids. They will probably rob or kill someone and end up in jail.

Oh, yeah. My kids gonna rob a store because I didn't beat him as a child.

Originally posted by dunkleskates

Originally posted by Ocelot

Originally posted by dunkleskates
it's a good thing you not a parent Ocelot, or your children would grow up thinking that conflicts should be solved by hitting people. those are the ones that end up in jail.

like parents, teachers are one of the most important role models in a childs life. what kind of an example is this teacher setting?

PFFFTTTT!!!! You seem to think that I solve all my problems by hitting people. As a matter of fact one of the last things I like to do in this world is get violent with anyone. Bad parent you say... LMFAO!!! My parents spanked my ass a couple of times when I was a kid and you know what? I love them even more for doing it. You have a whole generation of kids today who's parents let them do whatever the # they want with no consequenses. Thats why you have things like kids shooting up schools and being little #s to people. No respect. Me a bad parent? Well # You! I think I would make a wonderful father. You really dont know me dude to even say I would make a bad parent. I happen to be one of kindest, loving, giving, friendly people you could ever meet in your life, but if you cross me or one of my loved ones, then god help you because only he can. I love my parents and teachers for teaching me discipline.

just because some people choose not to beat their kids doens't mean they let them do what they want and "shoot up schools"(btw i think heavy metal music is more responsible for that). there are other forms of discipline that work, which don't involve giving


OMFG! you have got to be #ting me! who the hell are you, Bill O'Riley?

HEAVY METAL MUSIC HAS LITTLE/NO INFLUENCE ON THAT #

It's a frigging shame that people will actually believe little #tards when they try to blame the music they listen to for their problems. You know what this sounds similar to? Some corrupt priest burning the object of his desire as a witch, simply because he had impure thoughts about her...therefore she MUST have been a witch, and influenced him to have these 'naughty thoughts' about her. It's just feckin ridiculous.

If you ask me, the real reason people do that sort of crap is to get attention, and nothing more. No "I was influenced by Eminem, or even Marilyn Manson." OMFG, that's the biggest load of bull#.

i think i saw that one, the movie called The Subsitute*, Tom Berrenger, as the teacher

Originally posted by Lysergic

Originally posted by dunkleskates
the best part is how none of it matters. even if i could change one mind(which obviously i can't do here), the world does and will continue to use violence.

way to stick to your guns man!

rehab is for quitters!

thank you, lysergic. your presence on the board, and open mind as always is greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by Loki

Originally posted by dunkleskates
just because some people choose not to beat their kids doens't mean they let them do what they want and "shoot up schools"(btw i think heavy metal music is more responsible for that). there are other forms of discipline that work, which don't involve giving


OMFG! you have got to be #ting me! who the hell are you, Bill O'Riley?

HEAVY METAL MUSIC HAS LITTLE/NO INFLUENCE ON THAT #

It's a frigging shame that people will actually believe little #tards when they try to blame the music they listen to for their problems. You know what this sounds similar to? Some corrupt priest burning the object of his desire as a witch, simply because he had impure thoughts about her...therefore she MUST have been a witch, and influenced him to have these 'naughty thoughts' about her. It's just feckin ridiculous.

If you ask me, the real reason people do that sort of crap is to get attention, and nothing more. No "I was influenced by Eminem, or even Marilyn Manson." OMFG, that's the biggest load of bull#.

once again, though it really shouldn't be, it is necessary that i point out that the statement in reguards to heavy metal music was a joke. perhaps i should stop making jokes in text format, as it must be more difficult to sense humor than i previously thought.

My brothers friend was never spanked or physicly disiplined as a young child. Time out was about it.
He got away with more and more the older he got. One day he took it to far. While she was telling his 14 year old azz he was grounded for stealing the car and driving it throu a 7-11 window, he tells his mom, "git out my way bi7ch" and knocked her down the stairs, broke her ankle.

What brings this to mind is, I remember his mother and my mother arguing about disiplin once, before the stairs thing, after my brother got "it" right in front of the woman, by my mother. She had the NERVE to tell my mother that it was "wrong to hit a child". My mother replied something to the effect of you raise you kid and I'll raise mine.

This was not the last time he stole the car. Not just theirs, my parents car was stolen by the little pecker head. This was affecting my family and me now.
Funny thing is, he seemed to calm down after I caught him and beat him senceless.

Simply put, noone is the same, different things work for different people. Some kids do not require any hands on punishment, and only require verbal, repremand. Others, need more harsh measures like, yelling and slamming stuff. Timeout works for some. But there are kids that none of these work on.

What ever do you suggest we do with the ones that repetedly do what is wrong and bad regardless of the efforts not to spank? Lock them up? Would that be better, to let them be beat by others that will show less mercy than old dad or mom?
The ones that wont let them get away with the same # that mom and dad did. Someone that might Kill them?

When a parent "spanks" a child they introduce them to aggression by others. This also lets them learn how to respond to a situation like this. Wouldn't you say it's better for them to learn from you than someone lessforgiving?

I don't see spanking as bad. I see it as teaching. There is limits to it tho. You don't want to cross that line in to "abuse". I don't think I know any parent that likes to spank. Infact I find it very hard to do so. But, I find it works and I rarely have to use it.

If you don't disipilin your child (what ever way works) someone else will eventually.

I also believe that the use of drugs has no relivence to this topic. Unless the kid was on them.

BAKED

Originally posted by intelgurl
maybe the little brat needed his jaw jerked...

yeah. a good beating is all that you can do some times. nothing else will work

Originally posted by baked
My brothers friend was never spanked or physicly disiplined as a young child. Time out was about it.
He got away with more and more the older he got. One day he took it to far. While she was telling his 14 year old azz he was grounded for stealing the car and driving it throu a 7-11 window, he tells his mom, "git out my way bi7ch" and knocked her down the stairs, broke her ankle.

What brings this to mind is, I remember his mother and my mother arguing about disiplin once, before the stairs thing, after my brother got "it" right in front of the woman, by my mother. She had the NERVE to tell my mother that it was "wrong to hit a child". My mother replied something to the effect of you raise you kid and I'll raise mine.

This was not the last time he stole the car. Not just theirs, my parents car was stolen by the little pecker head. This was affecting my family and me now.
Funny thing is, he seemed to calm down after I caught him and beat him senceless.

Simply put, noone is the same, different things work for different people. Some kids do not require any hands on punishment, and only require verbal, repremand. Others, need more harsh measures like, yelling and slamming stuff. Timeout works for some. But there are kids that none of these work on.

What ever do you suggest we do with the ones that repetedly do what is wrong and bad regardless of the efforts not to spank? Lock them up? Would that be better, to let them be beat by others that will show less mercy than old dad or mom?
The ones that wont let them get away with the same # that mom and dad did. Someone that might Kill them?

When a parent "spanks" a child they introduce them to aggression by others. This also lets them learn how to respond to a situation like this. Wouldn't you say it's better for them to learn from you than someone lessforgiving?

I don't see spanking as bad. I see it as teaching. There is limits to it tho. You don't want to cross that line in to "abuse". I don't think I know any parent that likes to spank. Infact I find it very hard to do so. But, I find it works and I rarely have to use it.

If you don't disipilin your child (what ever way works) someone else will eventually.

I also believe that the use of drugs has no relivence to this topic. Unless the kid was on them.

BAKED

you make some good points, but discipline can be achieved without the use of violence. "But there are kids that none of these nonviolent forms of discipline work on." i think it's not the child, but the parent who doesn't follow through with punishments, or in some other way can't make the punishments work. also, i don't feel that a spanking is inappropriate, but there is a huge diference between a spanking and a punch in the face.

you make some good points, but discipline can be achieved without the use of violence. "But there are kids that none of these nonviolent forms of discipline work on." i think it's not the child, but the parent who doesn't follow through with punishments, or in some other way can't make the punishments work. also, i don't feel that a spanking is inappropriate, but there is a huge diference between a spanking and a punch in the face.

Whats a parent to do when the child realises that "they can simply not stop me with out the use of force"? Some kids will tell you to fuk ur self if you put them in the corner. They will walk off and do what they want. Tell them the are grounded and they go out anyway? How about "I don't have to listen to you" or "make me". How about when your athority is challenged by your child? Once they loos respect for you they will not get it back, not with out a fight. Best to be avoided by trying everything, including spanking.

The parent didn't punch the child in the face, the teacher did. Notice, the kid was being disrespectfull and possibly threatning to this 60 year old man. He was hit by this man because of his lack of respect and disiplin. The whole situation could have been avoided if the kid didn't unplug the machine and disrupt the class. Lack of respect, not just for the teacher , but the whole class, caused this. It lead to the whole beating sinerio.
Someone else besides the parent put the kid in his place regardless weather anyone thinks it's right or wrong. He still brought it on him self.

BAKED

Lesson learned:
Welcome to the real world kid, if yer parents wont teach you, someone will.

i still believe there is always an alternative to violence, but nearly everyone who has posted in this thread disagrees, so i guess i concede. you do make some excellent points though, baked.

Originally posted by dunkleskates
i still believe there is always an alternative to violence, but nearly everyone who has posted in this thread disagrees, so i guess i concede. you do make some excellent points though, baked.

No need to concede. You just have a different way of doing things is all. If there is an alternative that works, then great, use it, Im all for that.
Thanx
BAKED

Originally posted by baked
Lesson learned:
Welcome to the real world kid, if yer parents wont teach you, someone will.

You're damm right.

most of the posts here remind me of a guy i used to hang out with who hit his dog. he would always say "the only way to teach a dog is to beat it's ass."

i can't say i know how to raise a child from experience, but i've had a dog for 8 months now, and have never had the need to hit him. he is obidient, nonetheless, and he obeys me out of love, not fear.

positive reinforcement works, it just takes longer. i think parents who hit their kids are just too lazy or don't care enough to put the extra time and effort into positive reinforcement.

Many teachers are working in terrible enviroments. I know teachers who have been spit in the face and called everything in the book. And what.....the kids gets 3 days suspension from school to sit home and play video games or something. There are bad kids and bad teachers. I don't know the circumstances of why this teacher crossed the line and punched the kid. I don't condone his actions but I more than understand it. I went to high school in the late 70s to early 80s and if you got out of line the gym teacher lifted your arss about 6 inches off the floor with a paddle. I seen many a nasty, big and bad thug have a 180 degree turn around in attitude. I feel sorry for school teachers. Many kids are being allowed to raise themselves without any common sense and sense of morality. School for many parents are nothing more than dumping grounds for the kids they don't want to raise themselves. Once upon a time in America teachers were allowed and encouraged to teach children to be leaders who could think for themselves and have common sense and a sense of morality. If a teacher tries to do this now or heaven forbid try to instill a little discipline in their class......some parent(s) or the school board wants to crucify them. This is one of the reasons why the quality of our education system is going to crap.

---Matty (mattywhelz)

Originally posted by dunkleskates
i still believe there is always an alternative to violence, but nearly everyone who has posted in this thread disagrees, so i guess i concede. you do make some excellent points though.

Keep smoking your pot.

Atleast we now know the reason for all your 'smart' posts.

OMG I didnt think there is such dumbasses(excuse me language) that will rather let his kids smoke weed then teach them how to be good people.

P.S. I hope the pot will kill your sperm.

Out,
Russian

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by dunkleskates
i still believe there is always an alternative to violence, but nearly everyone who has posted in this thread disagrees, so i guess i concede. you do make some excellent points though.

Keep smoking your pot.

Atleast we now know the reason for all your 'smart' posts.

OMG I didnt think there is such dumbasses(excuse me language) that will rather let his kids smoke weed then teach them how to be good people.

P.S. I hope the pot will kill your sperm.

Out,
Russian

i know plenty of intelligent people who smoke pot, and it is terribly ignorant to say my use of a safe drug affects my intelligence.

i'll "keep smoking my pot", and you keep beating your kids.

your parents must have hit you an awful lot to make you such a good person

pain is how conditioning works, whether physical or mental. By teaching a kid that negative actions result in neagtive reactions, you are giving them the tools to survive. A spanking isnt violent, Kids have their feelings hurt mostly by the fact their parents are angry enough to spank them. I'll spank my kid before i visit them in prison 20 years from now..

When I was in second and third grade I went to Catholic school. This was in the early sixties. One day the nun decided to inspect our desks. When she got to mine she went ballistic and slapped me out of my desk and I landed on the floor. She picked the desk up and holding it over me shook all my stuff out, all the time yelling at me and telling me I was a little pig and I did not deserve a desk. She banished me to the back of the room and made me keep my stuff in neat piles on the floor around my chair. I stayed there for a month before she let me have another desk. Boy did I feel like #, but it sure made a lively day for the other students.