Originally posted by StellarX
No one is so far suggesting that energy or matter is created and my arguments so far simply states that the terms are interchangable and that not all processes are entropic.
You don't get it. Eventually every process in the universe is entropic. Maybe not the first billion years but eventually everything screws up.
And this presumes a isolated system....
No system is isolated from anything? Explain what isolation has to do with entropy?
Well if you go look at the what scientist and biologist are talking about i am not reaching and it's certainly far better science than anything related to the big bang or entropy!
To cut things short, I talked to somebody who knows lots of biology and she said that knowing what causes death doesn't mean we can beat it. Death is far more complex than just finding one sole reason.
A worse state for who? I mean this is clearly a value judgement and i am unsure that we know what nature likes or wants.
Nature wants whatever uses little energy. Think about that the next time you drop your medical thermometer on the floor. The mercury will come out and create small "bubbles" on your floor. This is because a shape of bubble uses less energy than any other shape.
I think you should get back to the text books and just see how accurate your last claim were...
Where am I wrong? Which law is stronger?
That's because your there and you just wont leave stuff alone!
I see where you are coming from and I now know that I am truly right. Yes, me being in the room sure makes everything messier quicker. But let's say I leave my room there for all eternity. Nobody touches anything. Do you not agree that eventually everything will corrode, break and go bust?
This presumes a closed system but since we do not have evidence that nature as we know it is ( we don't know if our universe is isolated or open) is one or contains such we are just speculating.
Why does it presume an closed system?
And in some crystals forms which is non the less the most entropic condition...
Again you clearly don't know your chemistry. Yes for a given time they will be in a chrystal shape. But eventually after millions of years they will collapse. Try leaving sodium untouched and let's see how long it takes for it to collapse.
In relation to what? What about the industrial process , negentropy, that this smoke is the result of?
Sorry but I didn't get this.
Your presuming a big bang when we have good evidence to suggest otherwise and certainly enough to prevent anyone to have a final word.
As far as I know everything suggests that there was a big bang.
Why would you want to preserve it by means of a vacuum when the Earth itself were unable to destroy it?
Just to make everything simplier. Nothing gets to tocuh mu dear diamond And if the diamond was to be heated up enough it would melt.
What will break up the diamond? What type of entropy can destroy a diamond?
You only look at life ten minutes forward. We are talking billions of years. When the sun has blown up or a comet has hit the diamond etc, it will be destoyed.