posted on Aug, 21 2007 @ 02:37 PM
uberarcanist: Thanks for your ,almost, lone voice of reason...
Originally posted by Glyph_D
running down or "break down" is the process of deterioration. its when tiny minuscule pieces release from the larger whole of an object. where by
shape and function are effected by this degrading process.
Or for instance when sun's explode or humans apply their killing machines...
take an object in your hand.
rubb your finger on that object continuously.
two things you will notice- first the object your rubbing(depending on its durability) has heat and possible visible streaks along your chosen path.
second you might notice that skin from your finger has been removed.
But the skin will grow back; so much for entropy.
this degrading/change is due to friction. all movement creates friction on some level and movement is constant.
That is only the case when no negentropic forces are in evidence.
it can be theorized that this friction is what enforces the concept of entropy. because friction exist everywhere as a continuous cosmic force
it can be said that entropy exists everywhere.
till nothing is left.
But that friction can also then be said to power the sun that is responsible for life and evolution on this planet. The only scale we can truly claim
entropy to be at work at is at a universal level and we don't even know if the universe is a closed system.
Originally posted by Glyph_D
the key word above is "adiabatically".
the statement above through translation is as> in a reverse case scenario, entropy can gain or stabilize.
Overall entropy can never decrease in a truly closed system.
t is saying the only way to violate entropy is to "violate" entropy. nowhere in nature does this take place, so in other words entropy is not
Energy can and is violated on local scales ( galactic clusters etc, galaxies, stars, planets etc) and the only claim that is made is that it will
increase in terms of a universal average.
its basically saying something like this. 2+2=4, as long as 2=2 and 2+2=4. if the norm can be distorted then the result will be different. if 2
equals the sum of 3, then it is impossible for 2+2=4(as long as 4=4).
now if entropy can be reversed/stabilize, that in and of its self makes it not entropy(much like the numbers).
the 2ndLAW is valid because of this, through our own understandings this has never(yet) been violated.
It's violated all the time and i don't blame you for having the wrong idea; the science community has done it's best to fool us.
the exact meaning behind "closed" can be debated.
No, it can't be. A closed system is a system where no forces are known to propagate over the chosen boundary lines.
however look to a star for the example. they form, they grow, they die.
the matter that is discharged is sent out through space, possibly being embedded into a lifeform on some planet(like earth-based life). from
that life it is transfered to other life so on and so forth.
That's just the matter from supposed exploded stars and it hardly deals with the negentropic effects it during it's 'life'.
this recycle and reuse is where chaos and order come into play, argue all you want on "what came first the chicken or the egg".
The Chicken came first and what we need to resolve is where the chicken came from; or if you like ask what or who hatched the egg.
the ultimate truth is at some point neither will be able to exist any more, because the matter they are made of will dissipate into pure
Energy can supposedly not be created or destroyed and given the fact that we are negentropic forces ourselves entropy is not something we need to
concern ourselves with; there is no such thing as unusable energy.