I had seen a documentary about this subject on the discovery channel a few months back.They concluded that Jesus and Horus were seperate and also gave a halfway decent explanation for these common traits.They concluded that the Christians of that time were so taken by the story of Jesus that they would often rereferrence other myths and incorporate the stories into events which took place with jesus as a means of elaborating on their telling of the Christian doctrine. Because books werent so readily available as they are now,the christians used other means to express themselves so that the common people of that age could grasp the jesus concept.Though the eventual outcome was that the jesus story became cross referenced with myths and legends and thus brings us to discuss it at this time. Dig?

I hope this makes sense because Im extremely baked right now.


peace

NJE777,
I would think it would be most crucial for you to also list each corresponding 'source' to each Horus -> Jesus similarity that's cited by the author Tom Harpur in his book and which you have presented for us in your first post here.

And I'm not just talking about a list of books cited in a bibliography in that book. I would think that Harpur must be including the names of the actual ancient texts he was using to draw up those similarities between Horus and Jesus.

So, could you give us another run down of ALL of the information in your first post and after each sentence, tell us the name of the source and text Harpur got his information from?
thanks...


and btw, I'm a religious agnostic... but do think that jesus existed


[edit on 8-7-2007 by Palasheea]

Right... we really do have to have those sources this author is using to be able to do our own look-ups to see if what he's saying is true or not -- or if he's just making it up.

Heh...after reading the first post, a visit to wikipedia directly told me that Horus's father was Osiris, and then I began questioning it all. The problem is that the myth/legend of Horus kept changing with time. Near the end, it was believed that Horus was a reincarnation of Osiris, rather than his son. Perhaps that is what the author of the book took to mean that he was "born of a virgin" (although I'd be hard pressed to understand how he came up with all the rest). As Byrd mentions, he was talking about the older texts, or the original legend. It's quite plausible that the idea of Horus changed after that.

BTW, the destruction of the Alexandria Library cannot really be pinned down to any specific source. I've seen many authors point the blame at many sources (always to their advantage, as in this case ).

Originally posted by Palasheea
Right... we really do have to have those sources this author is using to be able to do our own look-ups to see if what he's saying is true or not -- or if he's just making it up.

Look it up yourself! The information and sources are out there... I hate it when skeptics are too skeptical to do any research themselves and just take this stand-offish attitude. Besides, he gave his source, and if you want the sources of that source, they're listed in the book. Healthy skepticism involves looking seriously into the subject, not just throwing stones from the sidelines.

Did anyone notice that Tom Harpur doesn't mention that hes been working as a journalist for the last 20 years
the same as Graham Hancock and David Hatcher Childress
he probably researched this in back issues of the Toronto times as most of the claims he makes in the book are completely false
Journalists pffft
they think they know what people will believe
whats that well known quote from old Abe Lincoln

I already debunked his crapola, horus is NOT Jesus and 90% of the so called similarities are FALSE. They list jesus as being born on Dec 25th which anyone with a brain knows is NOT TRUE, it is the day Constantine said to celebrate it, Would you like me to cite Constantines SUNDAY WORSHIP EDICT?

Jesus had over 70 Disciples yet the OP lists 12, in accordance wth all morons thinking, that havent read the Bible and or the other texts.

This whole thread is BUNK and only serves to try to spread doubt in those with little knowledge. There may be one or two of those items that can realistically be called similar to Jesus, but they are still wrong. For instance born of a virgin, now with Jesus's birth we know what Jewish Law was and this tends to prove the fact that they believed that he was born of a virgin whereas the Horus is mythical crap with no laws and or witnesses.

This is just as the Bible says it will be in the End Days, they will try to lead many away from GOD and will try to have the Love of Many for GOD wax cold.

If you all want to have a real disussion on Yeshua HaMeshiach I would love too, I will not take part in tripe that is based on crap. Fairytales and myths are not anything you can argue with any real success whereas discussing the actual Truth in the person is possible.

You also have the possibilit that the Egyptians got their Horus/Osirus from the JEWS as the great Pyramid was probably Noah or his sons building. We also know that at least two of the JEWS were CO PHAROAHS in that Yosef and Moshe were both leaders of Egypt. So instead of seeing the horus in Jesus you should be looking for the Jesus in Horus.

theinedependentjournalist:

so when is the birthday of jesus so that we know where you are coming from?

Originally posted by freight tomsen
Look it up yourself! The information and sources are out there... I hate it when skeptics are too skeptical to do any research themselves and just take this stand-offish attitude. Besides, he gave his source, and if you want the sources of that source, they're listed in the book. Healthy skepticism involves looking seriously into the subject, not just throwing stones from the sidelines.

Your missile here is TOTALLY uncalled for and VERY RUDE!
The OP quoted from a book and all I am asking for is the author's (Tom Harpur) sources that he used to draw up his conclusions. There are too many books out there as it is to start looking through all of them to see where this author got his infomation from.

And I would suggest that you look in the mirror to see who's really being stand-offish here!



[edit on 8-7-2007 by Palasheea]

From David Icke's The Biggest Secret:

OK, a little quiz. Who am I talking about?
He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy
spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill
him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of two were slain by
the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was
given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was worshipped as the saviour of men and
led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving
sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross
between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to
heaven.21
Sounds exactly like Jesus doesn’t it? But it’s not. That is how they described the Eastern
saviour god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born. If you
want a saviour god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient
world because there are a stream of them, all originating with the Aryan and reptile-Aryan
race that came out of the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains. Here are just some of the
‘Son of God’ heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus
and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of:
Khrishna of Hindostan; Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Osiris and Horus
of Egypt; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroaster of Persia; Baal and Taut of
Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese;
Tammuz of Syria and Babylon; Attis of Phrygia; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the
Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes;
Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids;
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut
and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Universal Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Divine
Teacher of Plato; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin lo, of
Greece; Ixion and Quirinus of Rome; Prometheus of the Caucasus; and Mohammed or
Mahomet, of Arabia.

so let me understand this

jesus is different physically speaking from horus but they both fill the same ROLE in religious mythology and the story's of the bible (the majority at leat) is simply a newer slightly different repacked bunch of story's and fable's for a different millenium?which can be found in different cultures thoughtout the last 4000 or so years of recorded history





[edit on 8-7-2007 by cpdaman]

Originally posted by cpdaman
so let me understand this

jesus is different physically speaking from horus but they both fill the same ROLE in religious mythogoly and is simply a newer slightly different repacked bunch of story's and fable's for a different millenium?

You got it. What all modern religions do is place a figure like Jesus as a middle-man between you and God. Buddha, Mohammed, Horus, these figures separate you from your subjective spiritual self. The innate sense of connectivity to source (God, all things) becomes blocked by "objective" dogma.

liquidself has the right idea. All one needs to do is study the works of Jung and Joe Campbell, and a lot of things start falling into place. These are universal themes, and archetypal characters. You find a Jesus character in EVERY major religion/mythology. Jesus just happens to be a particularly popular one. In a nutshell, all of it is the product of various psychological flotsam and jetsam floating around in our collective unconscious. I'm not sure anyone has figured out precisely what it all means or from where it comes, but these stories and characters primarily exist to teach us various universal
"truths."

How unfortunate it is that people confuse the metaphorical for the literal.

So does Sheldrakes 'morphic resonance' come into play here somewhere?


sorry for the one sentence...

Wow!
Souljah!
That's AMAZING! I never knew that before... do you have some links that talk more about this?

PS.... oh, ok... reading over the wiki winter solstice link you gave us... a lot of information there on this... FASCINATING! I'm very interested in searching for the roots from which many of our religions came from.

[edit on 8-7-2007 by Palasheea]

Yes! I'm very AMAZED at this information. Thanks for that other link and am reading it all over now!
Fascinating material and already it's giving me a new perspective in things!
Thanks again!