Christianity is based on Egyptian Myths - Jesus Christ is Horus, page 2
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reply posted on 7-7-2007 @ 08:46 PM by NJE777
Originally posted by Blaine91555
The URI to TrackBack this entry is: atheistempire.wordpress.com...


Could it be that a site that calls itself "The Atheist Empire Of Liverpool" could be a tad biased?
Until you pointed out this site.


I. I am not an athiest. I simply googled to find a site that provided the similar info that the author of the book states.

2. If you had bothered to check out the author's link you would see this man has done comprehensive research and has many spiritual books under his belt.

Seven Principles of Cosmic Spirituality
The entire cosmos is the manifestation of Divine Mind-every molecule, every cell, every creature, every rock, tree, mountain, planet, blazing star, whirling galaxy and universe of galaxies.
We are all an integral, interconnected part of the whole cosmos and our own inner world is a holograph of the cosmos within us.
One basic datum underlies every religion under the sun, the principle of Incarnation. The Word or Logos, God's self-expression made manifest, has given the light of its divine spark to every mind/soul coming into the world. Christians call this the Christ or "Christ in us." Other faiths have different names or modes of expression for this same inner reality.
Every religion whose ethical core is summed up by the word "compassion" or "loving-kindness" to all other creatures without exception has a vision of the truth and is a valid "way" to Transcendence.
No one faith or religion-whatever its claims may be, alone has The Truth.
True cosmic spirituality is steeped in, flows from, and derives its most powerful analogies and metaphors from the natural world -- from the tiniest bit of dust to the spiraling stars above.
The core aim of cosmic spirituality is radical transformation, both personal and societal.www.tomharpur.com...



Do not try to turn this thread into a Athiest/Christian debate.


Thank you.


reply posted on 7-7-2007 @ 09:44 PM by Byrd
Although I'm pagan and believe that Jesus was not a historical figure, I do want to set the record straight. There's actually no correlation between Horus and Jesus.

For reference, here's a summary of the oldest account of the birth of Horus:
touregypt.net...&FHorus.htm

1. Horus born of a virgin. <> Jesus born of a virgin.

In fact, Horus was born to a goddess married to another god (Isis, married to Osiris.)

2. The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. <> Jesus was fostered by Joseph.

Heru/Horus didn't have a foster-father
touregypt.net...

3. Horus was of royal descent. <> Jesus was of royal descent.

Horus was the son of the first gods. Not royalty.

4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. <> Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.

Not according to the Delta Cycle (oldest complete texts of the Horus myth.

5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. <> The birth of Jesus announced by angels.

Hardly. Isis gave birth to him in secret (see the above pages)

6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. <> Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.

Set and his minions, the snakes, tried to murder Horus from the time he was born until he was grown. (BTW, the "slaughter of the innocents" never happened. There's no graveyards full of Jewish male infants killed at the same time period in either reign of Herod, and no legal records of this and no revolts associated with it.)

7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. <> Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.

Horus took his place as an adult as soon as he was able. Baptism is a Christian tradition... Egyptians had no such tradition.

8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. <> Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.

Oh dearie dear. How shall I put this one... hmmm... They have a big battle (several) and then (depending on the text) Horus seduces Set or Set seduces Horus (yes, homosexuality among the gods.) Isis puts Set's semen on lettuce which is then fed to Set (by Horus) and Set becomes pregnant by Horus.
www.marysia.com...

That's kind of the extreme Readers' Digest version. I suggest looking up the longer version.

9. Horus had 12 followers. <> Jesus had 12 disciples.

Horus was a god (and one of the oldest) and had millions of followers.

10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. <> Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.

Horus was never invoked to heal the sick, nor did he heal the sick. He flew... he didn't walk on water.

11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] <> Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.

Oyyyyyyyyy. Actually, it was Isis who ressurected Osiris. Horus avenged him:
www.marysia.com...

12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. <> The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.

Newsflash: Horus isn't dead.

13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified.

14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. <> Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].

16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. <> Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.

See above. Horus never died.

17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. <> The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

Ditto.

18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” <> Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”

I'm sort of speechless at that one. But... no.

Sorry to be so rough on the material, but it really is invented scholarship.

The Romans did adopt and blend the myths of Mary and of Isis, and there's some similarities between them:
en.wikipedia.org...

So... bottom line... although I'm sympatheti cto the claim of Jesus as being strictly a mythic figure, the parallels between Jesus and Horus were invented (shamefully) by someone in the late 20th century and should not be taken seriously.

Remember: Always go to the Original Sources on the documents.


[edit on 7-7-2007 by Byrd]


reply posted on 7-7-2007 @ 10:54 PM by Blaine91555
Originally posted by NJE777
Do not try to turn this thread into a Athiest/Christian debate.



Please reread my post. None of it was about you. It was about the article you posted the link too. I read a couple of the articles besides that one and I see zero references to sources of information. If I missed a page, well I'm at least as perfect as you are.

I did not mention my religious beliefs either. You need to read my post without the preconceived notions. I do happen to be Christian but I have no problem with Atheists, nor do I have a problem with any Religion. I thought this thread was from a historical perspective.

You did state clearly in the title, without a question mark, that "Jesus Christ is Horus". That is a statement of fact is it not? I apologize if you simply forgot the question mark and I misunderstood. Others will think the same so maybe you should consider adding a question mark to the title?

When I have time later, got to pick up the Wife at the Airport, I'll read more and look for some facts to rebut this odd assertion. It looks like it would take months to check out the statements made in that one article. I wish the author would have cited sources at the end of the article.

Since you have studied this; what other researchers believe this and do you know of any other books I could find about this belief? I find this quite interesting. It would mean a conspiracy involving the Christians, Jews and Romans conspiring together. Earthshattering if it were true.


reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 12:08 AM by NJE777
Originally posted by Byrd
Although I'm pagan and believe that Jesus was not a historical figure, I do want to set the record straight. There's actually no correlation between Horus and Jesus.

Sorry to be so rough on the material, but it really is invented scholarship.

The Romans did adopt and blend the myths of Mary and of Isis, and there's some similarities between them:
en.wikipedia.org...

So... bottom line... although I'm sympatheti cto the claim of Jesus as being strictly a mythic figure, the parallels between Jesus and Horus were invented (shamefully) by someone in the late 20th century and should not be taken seriously.


Thanks for the info Byrd.

So quite simply the claims made by the author are BS? Fabricated?
It really is quite frustrating if that is the case.

People are making millions of dollars fabricating stories.





reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 01:30 AM by MidnightDStroyer
From what I gather about history (from several books about Ancient Egypt & a few books discussing early Christianity), I think a few points should be made:

1: Biblical scripture (that is, the scripture that is "official canon" in the modern Bibles) describes mostly two different aspects of the modern "Christianity." The Old Testament describes the older Hebrew religion & was mostly influenced in latter times by Moses. Moses (his hereditary origins notwithstanding) was raised among Egyptians; He was probably very familiar with Egyptian customs, society, religion, etc. during the time he grew up to adulthood.
As merely one example where Moses "inserted" Egyptian customs into the religion, it should be pointed out that many of the "clean" foods allowable in the diet & considerations for personal hygene were Egyptian in origin.

Much of the Old Testament focused on Ancient Egypt. Even though the Bible rarely, if ever, mentions the fact that Hebrews were enslaved in a lot of countries besides Egypt; Even more, it's not mentioned that Hebrews weren't the only slaves kept in Egypt. It does seem reasonable that the early Hebrew religion found a few Egytian tenants that could have been "adopted."

2: Biblical scripture that concerns the New Testament revolves mainly around the writings found in the Dead Sea Scrolls: It is quite possible that, during the time Jesus "went into the wilderness," he may have run across the small monastary that held the Dead Sea Scrolls (The monastery's location & the time it would have been actively occupied is right in with the time of Jesus). Also possible that Jesus may have learned the philosophical writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls & preached them during his Ministery: When the Dead Sea Scrolls were recovered & studied in more modern times, there are a lot of similarities between those writings & the teachings of Jesus.

3: As Christianity (most notably, the Roman Catholics) spread across Europe & into the British Isles, it turns out that Christianity kept up the habit of "adopting" ideas from the very cultures they were "converting." For example, looking at the early portions of the list of "canonized saints," one could notice that a number of "saints" are Catholicized interpretations of old pagan (Celtic) beliefs.

4: One thing not mentioned in conjunction with the title on this thread is that many religions that have wide geographical seperation from each other contain similar stories & tenants, developed long before any known contact between them. Most of the time, trying to gather any kind of "solid connections" between them will lead a researchers one of two ways: Either the researcher winds up focusing on a very narrow path & misses the fact that early civilizations had been trading with each other very early (For one example, archeologists have discovered that Egypt & Mesopotamia were trading goods at least before 3150 BC)...Or the researcher learns that most people ignore that, geographical seperation aside, civilizations developed with many more similarities than differences.


reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 05:20 AM by Marduk
I'm sorry to disappoint the OP more than Byrd has already but Christianity is not based on an older religion
it is based on Judaism which is based on older religions
lol

there are several very easy to see points that prove this beyond the ability of peple of faith to even attempt to refute it without seeming uninformed and ignorant
the main one is comparing the stories that appear in Genesis with the stories of the Mesopotamian civilisations
i'll give you one example by comparing the flood account contained in the Epic of Gilgamesh with the flood story of Noah from the Bible

Gilgamesh: -
When a seventh day arrived
I sent forth a dove and released it.
The dove went off, but came back to me;
no perch was visible so it circled back to me.

Genesis 7
8 And he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground. 9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him to the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth

Gilgamesh
I sent forth a raven and released it.
The raven went off, and saw the waters slither back.
It eats, it scratches, it bobs, but does not circle back to me.

Genesis 7
7 And he sent forth a raven, and it went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth

the Epic of Gilgamesh dates from 2300bce
the story of Noah dates from at the very earliest 750BCE

so the early parts of the Bible are very clearly plagiarised from an earlier source to the level that they are practically word for word
there are some changes
in the original Akkadian story the flood hero is not a Semite
in the original the Religion is not monotheistic

when you think about it as well Christianity is not monotheistic either
it just pretends to be

what is an Angel if not a demigod
which brings us to another point
there was no such thing as an angel until after the Babylonian exile
There are no explicit references to archangels in the canonical texts of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Indeed even angels are uncommon except in later works like Daniel, though they are mentioned briefly in the stories of Jacob (who, according to several interpretations, wrestled with an angel) and Lot (who was warned by angels of the impending destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah). The earliest references to archangels are in the literature of the intertestamental periods (e.g., 4 Esdras 4:36).

en.wikipedia.org...

so you might think that Christianity is something special
but its just the same old religion repackaged for a newer and in most cases a far more gullible audience

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