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reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 01:23 PM by Byrd
Originally posted by Blaine91555
What is your opinion of the information on this site?

Link

Or is your interest limited to Egyptian History?


Just briefly... on the surface, he presents an interesting case (right now I'm more interested in lunch!) and a fairly convincing one. I'm not closed-minded to the idea that the Romans thought of Jesus as some sort of nutjob with a handfull of followers... and I can see that as a real scenario (that the gospels rather inflated his influence.)

Interesting site. I'd like to go through his resources a bit more. He scores some excellent points about the Bacchus material... but his parallel falls apart when he starts up on Hannibal and Carthage.


reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 01:39 PM by truthwillneverberevealed
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by uberarcanist
Ah, hell, I'll bite. Why, Byrd, do you not feel Jesus was a historical figure? Do you really believe that you could write detailed fictional stories one maybe two generations after they supposedly happened and credibly pass them off as true?


There's no concurrent mention of him... so that either he was a wandering preacher with a handfull of followers OR that the story we have is a "kit bashing" of one or more of the self-proclaimed messiahs (there was a rash of them during that time period. At least one is mentioned in the Bible).

And yes, I believe that the followers elaborated on the stories. Look how many Americans believed the story of George Washington and the cherry tree (completely fictional.) Or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (another fiction.) Or the Diaries of Nat Turner.

Books and letters have the power to create belief and create revolutions. Again, the link cited by Blaine actually has some good thinking about it (on a cursory read... we're getting ready to go out to lunch.)


byrd can you debunk zeitgeist? As i said earlier you and many others seem to be religous zealots clinging to something you thought was concrete slowly turning to dust. Zeitgeist is very well done and i highly doubt you can even come close to disproving what a huge team of researchers put together there.

He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery. ~Harold Wilson


reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 03:05 PM by Blaine91555
Originally posted by Byrd

Link


Interesting site. I'd like to go through his resources a bit more. He scores some excellent points about the Bacchus material... but his parallel falls apart when he starts up on Hannibal and Carthage.


Thanks so much for taking a look. I hope you got to your lunch OK.

I think the part about Hannibal was randomly selected to make a point. I need to go back and read this again today. I read that in a hurry yesterday.

Thanks again.

NJE777,
Whether I agree with the premise of the OP or not this is an interesting thread. I'm sure it will keep me reading all week long. I have some old books I need to dig up that I bought at a yard sale. The husband had died and he lived and breathed Egypt. I honestly don't expect to find a correlation though.


reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 03:13 PM by undo
"the religious institutions of this world, are at the bottom of the dirt"

He is absolutely right. Religion is organized and typically doesn't flourish unless it's been given the green light by the established principalities.

"all they care about is what they've always cared about and that's controlling the whole, damn world"

Absolutely right.

"religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky"

LOL! This made me laugh. But truth of the matter is, there's alot about this universe and even our own planet, we don't know and have not seen.

"but he loves you"

ROFL!!! I think someone got slap happy on the hell fire thing. I'm more inclined to believe the answer is alot less "painful", but I guess that would all depend on what the original text actually said.

the red disk on horus' head is said to be the sun, but originally, it was
from the hathor disk. that's a long story but it is not the
sun, it's Mars. this relates back to the legend of the destruction of mankind, an
egyptian story. The Eye of RA, likewise, is not the Sun. In fact, it's the same red disk on Hathor's crown and Horus' crown. It's Mars and there's a reason it's Mars, but that's for another thread.

this guy is saying that the people didn't actually experience the events they said they did
and that all such examples, are simply metaphors for the movement of the sun, moon and
stars. that is not correct. light and dark have many applicable metaphors. for example,
we could say that luke skywalker was light and darth vader was dark. although they are
fictitious characters, the fact of the matter is, luke is not really the sun, and darth is
not really the absence of the sun. the application of metaphor to such an extreme
is the equivalent of saying our ancestors were all idiots who worshipped the sun moon
and stars and thought they were real people that came to talk to them and so forth.
what they've done with this metaphor idea is throw the baby out with the bath water.

his "horus is born to virgin/three kings" thing, is not documented anywhere that i can find. (same for all the other examples he listed)
in fact, i can't find any documentation for his claims, like walking on water and so on.
horus was never known as the lamb of god. listen, i wrote a paper in college humanities
on the similarities between osiris/horus and god/jesus and none of these things were
in it. i dunno where he's getting this stuff. seriously. crucified? buried for three days?
where's the text/artifacts to support this?

he's making this up as he goes along to support his astrology is the key to all religious
ideas and astrology is itself, based on the sun moon and stars. etc. which is right back
to the idea that these events are purely metaphor and that they were never real entities,
and thusly all the ancient texts are lying. baby and the bath water, out it goes. it's a
knee-jerk reaction to ancient history because it's not easily explainable otherwise.


you realize all this started with german higher criticism? they also said
troy never existed and the greeks didn't write their own histories and sagas and epics,
because they couldn't write. all of which is wrong and has since been proven wrong.
they also said, the idea that we were created was impossible because there's no way
people could be created other than via intercourse and vaginal delivery which has since
been proven wrong. and that there was no way people could fly, or rise up to the skies, or
any of that heavenly movement stuff, so obviously it was about the sun moon and stars,
but the idea that people can't fly has also been proven wrong since then.

ARE YOU READING THIS? If you don't know what I said in the paragraphs above
don't bother reading any more of this because you frankly DON'T WANT TO KNOW. Anyway....

Let me give you an example. If Horus was the sun, and was crucified and didn't rise
till the 3rd day, does this mean there were three days where the planet simply didnt
rotate? Think about it. What they don't tell you in their metaphorical treatise is
that to believe it's all a metaphor for real planetary movements, also requires applying
the metaphors to real planetary movements, which they don't even bother with because
the fact of the matter is, they'd have to prove their hypothesis only applies in concept
but not in any other way. That's not enough evidence to change historical texts, so they ignore that part.

Here's another example. I was sick in the hospital. Went into a coma, on total life support
I was basically dead. Machines were keeping my organs from deiterating. Five days later,
I woke up/rose from the dead. Does this mean five days later the sun rose in the sky?

Calling things metaphorical to that degree, allows you to simply negate the experiences
of our ancestors under the premise that they were totally clueless or flat out lying and
creating metaphors. A metaphor is in itself, a rather complex human artform. If they were
smart enough to create a metaphor, you'd think they'd be smart enough to know when they were
and weren't experiencing real events with real beings/people.

Here's yet another example, Enki is the sumerian-akkadian god. Some claim he's the god of water
because he's pictured sometimes carrying what appears to be a trident weapon and has water
springing from his shoulders, but really his name means
LORD EARTH. So is he the god of water or the god of earth? According to biblical texts, Satan is
the Ruler of the Earth. the god of this planet.

Does that mean he's dirt or the zodiac for the "earth signs"?
No.
Does that mean he's the water signs?
It doesn't mean he's any particular sign.

He's the ruler of the planet. That's what it means -- Lord Earth means Lord Earth. Really, so
simple. It's the attempt to make it metaphorical that makes it so twisted up and confusing.
That alone should concern you. The real cover up is that the ancient past is talking about
real events, real people and real entities, and they continuouly prove themselves out.

For example, did you know they claimed Gilgamesh was a fantasy, a fairy tale, till one day
someone found his city? But boy oh boy, if you were to read the books on the subject before
that, Gilgamesh was a metaphor for a group of stars!! That, my friend, is the real cover up.
Why don't they want YOU to know, that these events actually happened?

Think about it.
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