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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Originally posted by russ1969
I was just thinking about that last thing you said about it not looking good for the nuts and bolts ufologist. And it made me think of something about the storys of back engineered ufo's. Lets say we did find a ufo back in the forties and have back engineered one. It still may be possible there is life on another planet that has built craft based on the same type of demensional manifestations we have experienced. Humans seem to assume for the most part that our existence and progression is mainstream and we cannot see to far ahead of that. here is an example, if you where an ant your daily life is routine but also very complex. But with all thats going on around you , You never see the odvious that is really going on in the world. When we start measuring and labling everything around us, we limit ourselves to the real answers. Time and space is only relevent to size. What if our whole universe is just an atom in a much bigger picture? looking at it that way makes everything almost meaningless. Sorry, Im getting way ahead of the topic at hand. My main point is the possibility of both manifested and nuts and bolts ufo's existing and the reason why it is so hard to find out the truth behind it all. And the third factor is our own craft that only our government knows about exist with them. Just brings more complexity to the table. Not that this thread isnt complex in itself. It takes your mind somewhere that makes you see lots of things and someone like me comes on and rambles My thoughts till they hardly make sense. Sorry, hope you get what i am saying. As you can see i am not a writer.
I dont deny that there could be intelligent life in the rest of the galaxy. I dont deny there might be Type 2 civilizations out there. I think most of the UFO phenomena is not from a Type 2 Civ though. I dont see us back engineering any Type 2 Civ Technology. It would be like Ancient Greeks or worse (Cave Men) trying to Back Engineer a Stealth Bomber, Space Shuttle, or Satellite. I think it would be highly improbable.
I understand your point. This is just my opinion but from what Ive seen the military and the government seem to know just as much as we do. They dont want others to realize that. The "Cover Up" about UFOs and Aliens seems to be more Propaganda and Disinformation. Propaganda in that Secret US aircraft can operate around the world without people thinking they are US aircraft and keeping competitors wondering if we really do have Alien Technology in our Arsenal. As disinformation it deflects from actual investigation and research. It hides the military's and government's ignorance. Thats just my opinion though.
Could Type 2 Civs be visting or observing earth? I cant imagine why a Type 2 Civ would not be watching earth. They could even visit, but I dont think the Abduction or UFO Phenomena represents a Type 2 Civ. If we were able to sit down and talk to an alien from a Type 2 Civ I really believe they would tell us theyve been experiencing the same phenomena. I wouldnt be surprised if they said they weren't exactly sure what it is either.
[edit on 8/8/07 by MikeboydUS]
I think Vallee is more than an excellent "ufologist," however we can't discount the possibility of cultural contamination. Vallee might be drawing upon "other" personal beliefs to link the concepts of "right and wrong" to these superior beings who, IMO, wouldn't have such hangups (but perhaps be bound in some other means).
I can't call the Phenomena bad or evil. I'm not even sure if those terms apply, but I do feel there is contempt, loathing and apathy in regards to humans.
I have heard of reports of where prayer or calling for divine intervention has worked and also not worked. Almost every religion on earth has exorcists, amulets, and rites to ward off evil spirits. I dont understand the process yet of how it may "banish" the phenomena, it may have to do with psychoactive foci in the sense maybe we are able to tap into either the power of our own or collective Psyche or something more universal with the aid of such sensory foci like words and symbols.
I definitely think there are connections to Shamanism. If you look further back in the thread I mention this. I think the concepts of altered states, mind altering substances, and shamanic rituals are all connected. If you asked a Shaman where the Phenomena came from or what it is, I'm pretty sure from his point of view he would say The Spiritworld.
Has anyone ever experienced or heard of a book causing events of high strangeness, the kind of books with things like seals and sigils in them? I think I can pinpoint most of the weirdness back to that and bizarre hypnogogic visions involving writing on my wall.
I dont know what to make of them. They are hypnogogic, which puts them in the realm of potential hallucinations.
I'm not sure what to think or do, but some of the wierdness may be spilling over into the waking world. I'd rather it not. Any thoughts or advice?
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
They Come From Within continued...
Quantum computers have the potential to be faster than any computer ever built, even theoretical computers such as the DNA computer and Optical Computers. It would be the first Hypercomputer. The main problem mentioned by IBM in building one is Decoherence. Decoherence is what happens when quantum systems interact with their environment and become entangled with it inducing wave function collapse. This disturbs the entire calculation process. This Decoherence is also used to argue against Penrose's Quantum Mind theory. If the human mind is a Quantum Computer as Penrose suggests then it should be subject to Decoherence.
I'll leave you with this quote from John Keel.
"... particles of energy left over from that explosion first took charge of this mudball and they've been in charge ever since. H.P. Lovecraft called them the Elders. They have been leading us around by our collective noses for aeons. But now, for some reason that is not yet clear, a merging is taking place. The Elders are slowly revealing themselves to us. What was once forbidden knowledge is now becoming known to millions. Even our scientists, those poor backward slobs... are recognizing the presence of these forces. The Industrial Age is coming to a close and science is rediscovering magick. Our civilization, which took centuries to build, is now coming apart...
But is it the End Time?
Or is there a new beginning somewhere in the near future?"
John Keel, "New Age of the Gods," from Disneyland of the Gods