Jesus Was An Egotistical Mad Man

TLast quote:the things of God are only the things of Satan.

So now you claim satan is alive but no God, If God is alive its the thing of satan. Either you believe in good or evil or you dont. Its no one or the other. And just because satan is alive does'nt mean God was there cuz of satan. Satan is alive cuz of God the creater. God created everthing even satan. In the other post I stated why God let evil stay. again man look at the world around you, cuz you say we're blind. And yet you are missing the world around you. That saying you said make it sound like only satan its alive. Well you said If good is alive so is evil. Satism believe's are just more initmate way of following the devil and his angels. There going to be a fight, where fighting it now. But a much bigger war is coming, after it judgemtn day.

I accept you for what you believe and I am making a fastidious analysis of those beliefs.

I believe in neither Satan nor God as being entities that really Exist off in some spiritual realm or what have you.

What I am saying is the following:

God created Satan. If you believe in God then you believe in Satan. If you worship God and view God as great and good that's only because you believe Satan to be the opposite. Therefore you are not realizing that your faith is not only in God, but also in Satan.

I, personally, am out side of religion, what I say is from an external view point. I am only dissecting and evaluating your religion. I believe in neither of the lesser of two evils: God and Satan (for future reference) I only use their names so that we can communicate and so that I can get my point across

Sorry if you can not see this. I can not open your eyes up to it any more.

Your faith is in Satan equally as much as it is God.

When some thing good happens you call it a miracle and praise God, when some thing bad happens you call it a monstrosity and give Satan credit. See the parallell of "power" and faith between God and Satan?

You can't accept self responsibility and accountability, you must give an outside diety credit for all variations of experience

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I give faith that God does what he says, that his true children will be saved in judgement day. The only faith i might give satan that he is evil and he does alot of work to show it. Bad things might happen out there. And even the devil has something to do with it. But in the end its the man choice to do wrong. We are all still coutable for are sins and goodness. Do good. ZGod is happy. Do bad God is not. Satan puts the evil in front of you. Its your choice to follow the stupidty of it.

Originally posted by slymattb
that his true children will be saved in judgement day.

Here we go again *sigh* God says that we are all his children. Never did I see a bible verse that God says he has true children and false children. Correct me if I am wrong.

The only faith i might give satan that he is evil and he does alot of work to show it.

Point proven. Thank you.

Bad things might happen out there. And even the devil has something to do with it.

Oh... really... Your judgement of bad and good is the creation of the "devil". And the blame placed on the devil for every thing bad that happens is an irresponsibility that is causing great danger to this planet. (one among many in the galaxy [and the solar system ])

But in the end its the man choice to do wrong. We are all still coutable for are sins and goodness.

What about the woman? We are? I thought you just said the devil does that stuff. Well that's no fair then. The devil makes us do bad stuff, but we're held accountable for it. :bnghd: ( I love these smileys by the way)

Do good. ZGod is happy. Do bad God is not.

Oh no! I better do good and not let the Devil take me over! I want to make the big man in charge, "God"... happy... please slymatt. Do it to make me happy, do it to make your self happy, do it to make others happy. This whole God and Satan thing is very, very, very primitive and immature.

Satan puts the evil in front of you. Its your choice to follow the stupidity of it.

No, stupidity puts Satan in front of you to allow a choice of evil, and that's what you've done

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Like God puts paths in front of you to take, you choose which ones to make. So as satan puts paths in front of you and you choose which ones to make. Its your own choice to make it. Like the 33 killing in vergina. That man had the choice to do what he did. The sin is appon is own head. The evil that came in was the nagitivity that got to him. People teaseing him. Satan becuase of the evil that was alode to live, put the options in front of him of what he could of done. He could of done good, and choose the options God gave him. And yet he let his own actions kill him and others. Both God and satan gave him options to take he took the evil side. But he choose what he wanted to do, and now let God will come with him.

What happened is he killed 33 people and he himself died. He suffered the consequences of his own actions and in doing so, so did the United States and Virginia. God didn't put this is front of him, neither did the Devil. He chose to, and probably because he was mentally unstable due to his religion and the current world situation, not to mention people like you who were probably pressuring him in to repenting and gaining salvation from the one and only Jesus/God.

You really need to take a look around at the world, and then the "universe" and realize that your religion and your belief is nothing special, nor is it the only such belief.

Now, I'm usually patient and nice, but talking to someone who has the English vocabulary and verbiage skills of a 3rd language second grader is very hard to get a point across, let alone any ounce of actual Existential intellect. I'm not even certain that you understand any thing that I tell you. You just seem to repeat the same message over and over again. I am actually quoting you and using the freedom of my "intellectual/logical" analysis and applying Human behaviour/history etc. You're just imprisoned by and paraphrasing bible verses.

slymattb, you are the definition of fanatical and I hope you can see this some day.

You are eternal now, why wait for death to be eternal?

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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
What happened is he killed 33 people and he himself died. He suffered the consequences of his own actions and in doing so, so did the United States and Virginia. God didn't put this is front of him, neither did the Devil. He chose to, and probably because he was mentally unstable due to his religion and the current world situation, not to mention people like you who were probably pressuring him in to repenting and gaining salvation from the one and only Jesus/God.

We in complete agrement that he has suffered from his own actions. And he will see what his sin will do in the judgement day. God didnt put this in front of him to do, but God let him do it, free will. Satan put the options in front of him, he chose what to do. As for the pressuring part, to be honest you could be right and you could be wrong. But did you take the fact the christain who dont trually believe might have try to pressure him. I dont think that any true believer push him so hard that he did all that. Did you even think that maybe devil really did speak in his soul.

You really need to take a look around at the world, and then the "universe" and realize that your religion and your belief is nothing special, nor is it the only such belief.

Its not about belief nor is it about religion. Its about the world around you as you have said. I see more than you know. Understand at a greater understanding. But to say the least I dont know everthing about God's world. God's world and word are a continueing study, bible and life experience.

Now, I'm usually patient and nice, but talking to someone who has the English vocabulary and verbiage skills of a 3rd language second grader is very hard to get a point across, let alone any ounce of actual Existential intellect. I'm not even certain that you understand any thing that I tell you. You just seem to repeat the same message over and over again. I am actually quoting you and using the freedom of my "intellectual/logical" analysis and applying Human behaviour/history etc. You're just imprisoned by and paraphrasing bible verses.

Wow maybe I should cry cuz you dont like me or my beliefs. Ill do just that. The only reason I didnt response to all your quotes is I didnt know how. Just because I cant spell that good as you does'nt show what I know about the world. I have a hard life, my bad if I was out there not in mom and dady house experenceing what God wanted. I understand everthing you say. There is not one thing you said I have not understood. But dont think your going to chance my belief in what real so I can feel conforable doing what I do. Intellectual logical did that tell you to down people too. Of course I use the word of God to explan God's word. Did your quote make sents.

slymattb, you are the definition of fanatical and I hope you can see this some day.You are eternal now, why wait for death to be eternal?

I know I am eternal i just realize it can be taken away. Besides I am not waiting for death to be eternal. I am waiting for nothing but the will of God. Fanatical I feel stupid what you mean. If anything I have faith in the real world and what around. Experence man experence. Life shows god is out there. Maybe you should get out more.

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slymattb,

I am sorry to inform you that I can no longer understand most of what you are trying to say. I am sorry if I was harsh on you. I also had a bad upbringing. I'm glad to know that you understand more things than I do and I hope you attain all that you aim for in life.

May your own will and your own path be with you. I have learned from our conversations.

Peace

P.s. sorry for losing my patience, we all make our own mistakes and eternity can never be taken away

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Closing questions:

Why are priests molesting little boys? Aren't they true believers? Or perhaps you should look around and see who is really running the show... it's that faith in Satan that you have.

P.s. What does Satan's voice sound like? Is Satan omnilingual?

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Here is some info on the Virgina killings.

"-Cho claims to sacrifice himself like Jesus".

If that doesn't speak for its self then I don't know what does. People go completely insane over this type of religion, especially the Humans who already feel outcast

Originally posted by Columbus


I do not feel hurt by my friends beyond the fact that they left me feeling I was a traitor. They, like WiseSheep are decent people who have been confused by intense long-term brainwashing.

It appears that your beliefs have been controlled by others rejecting you. If you were a Christian why would you let others control you.

The question is...............Is the Bible the truth and is Jesus the prophesied Messiah? This should have nothing to do with anyone else or their actions or feeling towards you.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
It appears that your beliefs have been controlled by others rejecting you. If you were a Christian why would you let others control you.

I don't know who you think was controlling me or when. Christianity is a meme, a virus. It really spreads for its own sake. Study groups are usually isolated from one another, like cells but with no leadership. I know there are Christian leaders, but this is not really significant to the way the study groups work.

Rejection only occurred after I told them what I was thinking. The rejection was personal and had nothing to do with Salvation, despite what WiseSheep thinks. You have a belief that no one can lose Salvation, so people like me are difficult contradictions to deal with. If it's easier not to deal with it, then I will be excluded.

Is the Bible the truth and is Jesus the prophesied Messiah? This should have nothing to do with anyone else or their actions or feeling towards you.

The Bible does not correspond to reality. As far as Jesus is concerned, within the context of the New Testament, he is the Messiah, but since the Bible is not real, this is mostly irrelevant.

Originally posted by Columbus

You have a belief that no one can lose Salvation, so people like me are difficult contradictions to deal with. If it's easier not to deal with it, then I will be excluded.

No, no contrdictions here.

Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

The Bible does not correspond to reality. As far as Jesus is concerned, within the context of the New Testament, he is the Messiah, but since the Bible is not real, this is mostly irrelevant.

Each man must make his own choice as to what he believes. I challenge you to take 30 minutes of your life and read Jeremiah 50 and 51 in the Old Testament and tell me that is not happening right now. Modern day Iraq is Babylon and right now it is being judged. If you don't have a Bible, you have a computer.

i took up your challenge. i don't see the correlation. well, i could if i twisted everything enough... but that's the problem, you have to twist and turn ancient texts.

jeremiah wasn't intended to be read today, it was intended to be read by people that were alive way back when it was written.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
No, no contrdictions here.

Sorry, the contradiction is in the minds of my former friends and WiseSheep. To resolve it, they assert that I was lying or somehow deceived. Why would Satan deceive me into thinking I am In Christ?

Matthew 13:20 ...for when tribulation or persecution ariseth...

Sorry again, but I don't respect scripture. You're claim that I was suffering is inconsistent with what I said earlier. Like WiseSheep, when times were tough, I redoubled my faith. This I remember clearly. The persecution happened afterwards. It doesn't even make sense to think I would leave the church because my friends were persecuting me for leaving the church.

Each man must make his own choice as to what he believes.

He who believes without reason is asserting a faith. The expression "I Want To Believe" belies an ignorance of reason.

I challenge you to take 30 minutes of your life and read Jeremiah 50 and 51 in the Old Testament and tell me that is not happening right now.

For you, I looked at it again, and I see the same things I see since I left the church:

1) It was written during and after the "captivity" in Babylon. It depicts a revenge story against Babylon and is hence a self-fulfilling prophecy with no supernatural requirements. It depicts events that already happened in the past, and probably more accurately to history than other parts of scripture.

2) Most of the books of the "prophets", in fact most of the Old Testament, were recorded during the "captivity" in Babylon, so there is an abundance of prophecy against Babylon in the OT.

3) Since Matthew, Christians have reused self-fulfilling prophecies for double-meaning. Iraq gets to be Babylon for more than just convenience. There is just so much prophecy against Babylon in the OT, and that's the well they drank from.

4) It's still self-fulfilling because Christians are the army in Iraq.

Modern day Iraq is Babylon and right now it is being judged.

5) And as usual, the ones doing the judging are the Christians not god. Justifying their despicable actions by painting them holy.

6) Apocalyptic End-of-the-Worlders seek political and military power specifically to self-fulfill their own prophecies. They are suicidal psychopaths.

7) God rests.

Originally posted by ColumbusSorry, the contradiction is in the minds of my former friends and WiseSheep. To resolve it, they assert that I was lying or somehow deceived. Why would Satan deceive me into thinking I am In Christ?

Satan does'nt fake you to believeing in christ. He may try to get you to believe in a fake christ belief. but not that.

Matthew 13:20 ...for when tribulation or persecution ariseth...

Sorry again, but I don't respect scripture. You're claim that I was suffering is inconsistent with what I said earlier. Like WiseSheep, when times were tough, I redoubled my faith. This I remember clearly. The persecution happened afterwards. It doesn't even make sense to think I would leave the church because my friends were persecuting me for leaving the church.

Your friends should of been there for you. Going to church like religion people do stops people from doing the work which could be done.

He who believes without reason is asserting a faith. The expression "I Want To Believe" belies an ignorance of reason.

This is true, but yet we should believe in what real and out there, not fake. You my think the God of Jesus is fake. But its not. Look around. God's teaching are around you.

I challenge you to take 30 minutes of your life and read Jeremiah 50 and 51 in the Old Testament and tell me that is not happening right now.

For you, I looked at it again, and I see the same things I see since I left the church:

Of course you do, didnt revelation teach that man wont follow God men like you. Evil is out there and it does its work well.

1) It was written during and after the "captivity" in Babylon. It depicts a revenge story against Babylon and is hence a self-fulfilling prophecy with no supernatural requirements. It depicts events that already happened in the past, and probably more accurately to history than other parts of scripture.[/qutoe]

Well the bible also predicted future things happening, if you look close revelations predict history. Daniel predict histoy out of a high school year book. scrolling written hundrens of years ago predict history.

2) Most of the books of the "prophets", in fact most of the Old Testament, were recorded during the "captivity" in Babylon, so there is an abundance of prophecy against Babylon in the OT.

How would that stop a scroll written in the past predict things happening in the future when the scroll was written.

3) Since Matthew, Christians have reused self-fulfilling prophecies for double-meaning. Iraq gets to be Babylon for more than just convenience. There is just so much prophecy against Babylon in the OT, and that's the well they drank from.

Come on now, are you trying to say all the gospels are the same, thats not true by far. Of course there is much about babylon look whts happening today, they keep sturing up trouble. kill are own to kill the enemy, holy God help me to kill my 8 year old son to kill the enemy,no wait kill our own people. There evil there and God watching all.

4) It's still self-fulfilling because Christians are the army in Iraq.

Just to let you know in Jereimyha there are scripures to lead to think that america is not in a good place at the end of times. I still not to share what to believe, but their there.

Modern day Iraq is Babylon and right now it is being judged.[/quote
5) And as usual, the ones doing the judging are the Christians not god. Justifying their despicable actions by painting them holy.

First thing not all the army of America are christian you tactically cannot say christian army are in iraq. But I do know what you mean. America suppostable a Christian country doing all of these. I dont think what where doing is what God would want at all. But if we didnt take the fight to there ground they would come after us. When the blood go to the crip and kill the crips go to the bloods and kill. They start the killing in 9-11 they wanted war with us. So we had to take the fight to them. Why do you think we have had a big 9-11 again?? Maybe cuz where in there land and they're disracted. The minute we pull out is when they build up or come after us. And when they're in our land they wont leave.

6) Apocalyptic End-of-the-Worlders seek political and military power specifically to self-fulfill their own prophecies. They are suicidal psychopaths.

I dont think true christian are like this. I do think wanta be good people in christian maybe. But we have to look at the government for this problem. Cuz they're the ones in power, not Christian all over america.

7) God rests.

Does he. All powerful needs sleep. Jk

Originally posted by Columbus
Sorry, the contradiction is in the minds of my former friends and WiseSheep.

Those that are well need no doctor. Those who are well in their own mind without the doctor, die as a result of it.

Originally posted by Columbus

For you, I looked at it again, and I see the same things I see since I left the church:

1) It was written during and after the "captivity" in Babylon. It depicts a revenge story against Babylon and is hence a self-fulfilling prophecy with no supernatural requirements. It depicts events that already happened in the past, and probably more accurately to history than other parts of scripture.

I'm glad you took the time to look. Only if a man looks can he find. Jeremiah 50 and 51 has never happened. There has never been a coalition of nations coming from the farthest borders until Gulf War 1 and 2. The judgement is against the land of the Chaldeans and not just the city of Babylon which was abandoned and not destroyed.

So what will be the outcome of the United States in Babylon..........

Jeremiah 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed. 9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.

The U.S. is attempting to heal Babylon and will not be successful. They will come home without victory. The Medes who are the modern day Kurds will destroy Babylon at the fast approaching DAY OF THE LORD, as both Isaiah and Jeremiah have prophesied.

You talk of self fulfilling prophesies. Strange that everything that has been spoken of the Jews has happened. Two thousand years later Isreal is restored as a nation as Ezekiel 37 prophesies. Every attempt has been made to wipe out the Jews and yet it cannot happen.

What was said before the six day war.........What is Iran saying now.

Psalms 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

Just something for you to think about, if you take the time.

Originally posted by slymattb
Satan does'nt fake you to believeing in christ. He may try to get you to believe in a fake christ belief. but not that.

This is my point.

You my think the God of Jesus is fake. But its not. Look around. God's teaching are around you.

I look around. I see nothing supernatural. God doesn't describe anything.

Of course you do, didnt revelation teach that man wont follow God men like you. Evil is out there and it does its work well.

To what end? To destroy the earth? That seems to be the goal of the Christians.

Daniel predict histoy out of a high school year book. scrolling written hundrens of years ago predict history.

Daniel has no credible origin. You should never believe gossip and hearsay. I do not understand what you are saying.

How would that stop a scroll written in the past predict things happening in the future when the scroll was written.

If you predict something you intend to do, like get revenge against your conquerors, it is not supernatural. There is no evidence these scrolls were written before the events happened. Since they were written in Babylon, it is unlikely they were captives, since prisoners are unlikely to have been able to publish books. All very dubious claims.

Come on now, are you trying to say all the gospels are the same, thats not true by far.

There were more than four gospels, each one written to satisfy a particular audience, not to express a truth. Then there is Q.

Of course there is much about babylon look whts happening today, they keep sturing up trouble.

1) Babylon as a state does not exist. Iraq is not Babylon. Iraq is Iraq. That is why we call it Iraq and not Babylon.
2) Iraq is not stirring up trouble. The administration of the United States started this whole mess and enjoys it enough to keep it going.

kill are own to kill the enemy, holy God help me to kill my 8 year old son to kill the enemy,no wait kill our own people. There evil there and God watching all.

You seem confused.

Just to let you know in Jereimyha there are scripures to lead to think that america is not in a good place at the end of times.

America is not in the scriptures. It only satisfies people to believe that.

First thing not all the army of America are christian you tactically cannot say christian army are in iraq.

The army is made up of soldiers who only follow orders. The orders are given by Christians. Napoleon's army was not only French men, but his army was still French.

But if we didnt take the fight to there ground they would come after us.

The Iraqis? You are mistaken. This is actually the reason Jesus said turn the other cheek. Islam struck the United States with the intended purpose to bring them to the middle east, to lure them into a dark alley and hit them over the head. So sadly stupid.

When the blood go to the crip and kill the crips go to the bloods and kill.

Religions are gangs and gangs are religions? Sure, why not.

They start the killing in 9-11 they wanted war with us.

Shallow thinking like this is a surrender of control.

So we had to take the fight to them.

Again, the dark alley thing.

Maybe cuz where in there land and they're disracted.

Maybe "cus" it took eight years between 1993 and 2001? Expect them in 2010.

The minute we pull out is when they build up or come after us.

Who? The Iraqis? Maybe you didn't notice the power struggle going on in their own country must be settled before they drop everything to swim over here. They have no effective military. You think American Airlines charters flights for platoons of mujahadeen and crates of grenade launchers?

And when they're in our land they wont leave.

They're already in your land. They don't leave because they like living in America.

I dont think true christian are like this. I do think wanta be good people in christian maybe. But we have to look at the government for this problem. Cuz they're the ones in power, not Christian all over america.

Christians elected Bush. Christians re-elected Bush. If they didn't like what he was doing, why re-elect?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
There has never been a coalition of nations coming from the farthest borders until Gulf War 1 and 2.

No WWII never happened and there was no need to draw the borders of Iraq after that war.

The judgement is against the land of the Chaldeans and not just the city of Babylon which was abandoned and not destroyed.

Yes, I was in the city of Babylon last month, it wasn't destroyed.

So what will be the outcome of the United States in Babylon..........

The entire United States military will board time machines and travel back to ancient Babylon.

The U.S. is attempting to heal Babylon and will not be successful. They will come home without victory.

You mean Iraq?

...the modern day Kurds will destroy Babylon...

Before or after the Turks wipe them out?

Strange that everything that has been spoken of the Jews has happened.

When they speak of themselves, it is you predicting what you will do tomorrow. If it doesn't happen, then I will doubt you.

Every attempt has been made to wipe out the Jews and yet it cannot happen.

You condone attempts to wipe out the Jews? Why do you think that this must be inevitable unless god is protecting them? Why not make the same claim for the Greeks? Every attempt to wipe out the Greeks has failed yet it cannot happen! Doesn't this reveal that attempts to wipe out the Jews are inherently attempts to self-fulfill prophecy? Because the messiah is prophecied to come if you try it, of course!

I am truly astounded by the lack of independent thinking!