Originally posted by AlphaAnuOmega
Hmmm, I still have no idea what this post is actually about. Is it about Al Gore, Global Warming, AI, Sentient Life, "The Terminator", "SkyNet"....make a descision so I can comment accordingly!!

As with all good posts and discussions you have to be familiar with a wide range of issues and have quite the knowledge base. I like post's like these because the author is attempting to build the large internally consistent picture....

I wont say how successful i think his efforts were but so few even tries and my WATS were quite Idle... I should probably find Kurt and Orangetom and give them one each for past conduct.

Stellar

Usually the biggest challenge in these broad spectrum writeups is making it 'entertaining' enough, while not too long so that the reader will actually sit thru it.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss



In the meantime, our news is bombarding the masses with Osama nukes and Global Warming doomsdays, and the 2 frontmen (Bush & Gore) are specifically the ones promoting those conspiracy theories and doowsday events, polarizing the public; distracting everyone from the system that is the REAL [completely preventable, unlike your example for perspective] threat, while our national debt is off the charts and they just increased spending this year.


If you have an actual solution lets hear it. Really.

IIB, this may be one of the all-time best researched, insightful posts in the history of ATS. I wish more people could understand that polarizing the public is one of the cornerstones of their strategy.

hmmm i have always marveled at the the way the way Google just all of a sudden appeared from virtually nowhere... It is also interesting how you have tied it all together with politics, nasa, cia, and especially AI.

In regards to AI, it is very scary - people may think you can just switch it off, but once the "evermind" becomes active it will be able to use factory robots, etc to create soldiers that will move it's influence to the physical world - it will be everywhere and nowhere.

I have been reading a lot of your posts lately - I like the way you get to the point. Good one mate!

-SB

Also check out the parallels between Google, Al Gore AND Apple.

It will be a collective entity by design. Once it becomes reality it will be countless machines and even mere software AGI's. "It" could start off as one, but it will really become so embedded there will be no way to get rid of it.

This requires the utmost caution. It's too bad they're in a mad rush to secure "their" power ASAP.

See, the problem with the whole AI taking over the world thing is that computers don't have intention. It is only as intelligent as the person who programs it, or the information it assimilates.

Sure, they could feed it all the information in the world, making it super smart, but a machine is a machine. You can not create consciousness artificially.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
You can not create consciousness artificially.

O?

That's a pretty staunch absolutism based on assumption.

SInce their stated goal is to make "cognitive" "self aware" "self healing" "self-optimizing" "intelligent machines" "that know and understand their own dataholdings" I'm not gonna sit back on an assumption.

I think Simon has a point. The nature of consciousness is far from clear, and I strongly suspect it requires an organic matrix to interact with what might laughingly be called "the real world". Therefore a solely computer-based AI is unlikely, to say the least. The fact that billions are being spent on trying to create one is no guarantee that the assumption that such an AI is possible has any validity whatsoever.

Anyone with any experience in the meditative arts, and particularly t'ai chi or chi gung, will know what I mean.

I recall reading that Gore owns part of a company that deals in "carbon credits". I have to wonder if his "Global Warming" hype is just a ruse to line his pockets from the "carbon credits" scam.

Malthusian" (man-made) global warming 'prophecy'

I dont see how you can drop the word 'Malthusian' and try to brush it off as meaning 'man made'

Malthusian principles concern themselves with Population outstripping agriculture.

I dont have time to check all the other words you drop, but i'd be more careful next time.

If i have this wrong, though. Feel free to show me how.

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In actuality though, i dont get what you are upset about.

Al Gore. He is a man close to my heart. Excellent orator, caring about the environment, fanatic about computer Information Technology.

Now, your saying that he's a bad man because he had 2 agendas when running for president?

Id say he had many more agendas. Please, look at the American system. Where people tack on ideas to popular bills to get them through. Would bringing AI be doom on earth? Doubt it. Would stopping earth from polluting so much be the doom on earth? i doubt that aswell.

Emotions are irrational. Wake up.

Ill start at the bottom because this is the first thing i saw.

Ive been told to open my eyes, wake up, stop condoning the evil and all this other bull# in EVERY other thread ive been in. So ill start my response with this.

Shut the # up, stop telling me to wake up and stop pissing me off, ok?

right, now. For your actual post.

Lets cut down your first paragraph.

You're so worried about the environment

yes i am, its what we started with and we cant keep damaging it. im not a hippy, ive just 'woken up' *rolls eyes*

you'll allow a tyrannical system bent on global domination

Dont assume things when posting. only deal with facts and i may take you seriously.

create unimaginable power in an artificial intelligence system that noone even has a chance to publicly debate or understand???????

since when? If he became president he might have said "I want to make AI and usher the world into the future, i will have open forums and cameras 24/7. Also we will have all members working on this project available to speak at regular intervals."

You are again assuming things because of your biased view against Gore.

Al Gore is pushing GLOBAL WARMING, with a touch of environmentalism. The threat is overhyped by a loong

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each work for the same ends, as clearly demonstrated by my new revelation here.

Hmmm, Gore did overhype global warming. But its a significant problem. Come and experience an Australian summer before trying to say that it isnt much of a problem. The thing is, though. We dont NEED to eradicate the problem in this time period. We just need to alleviate it abit, to put stitches on the wound so to speak to allow it to heal later.

Gore is s scholar and practitioner of MODERN PROPAGANDA which is the science of persuasion and diversion. Read his new book and its dripping with the proof of that claim, as anyone with a decent study into that realm would be able to easily spot.

I have done more than 'decent' study on the powers of persuation and i know a master when i see them. Is propeganda a bad thing? No it really isnt. It has negative connotations. Notice how you say hes a 'practitioner of Modern Propeganda' while i say he is an 'Orator'? same thing in the basic sense, but you are giving it a negative connotation when i am giving a neutral one.

The police state programs he complains about we're first started under Clinton-Gore, but now that Bush has pushed thru the elites dream systems he's going to rant about it. Just like everything else.

well, you see, i could easily explain that. The United States has a very unruly population. The belief in 'freedom' has become so ingrained that the slight hint of a removal of a freedom is seen as 'oppression'. Many of the laws you complain about have been enacted here in Australia and i truly dont notice a difference.

Your last paragraph just drips in Hypocracy. The reverse applies to you. You see him as evil and as such you look for damning evidence. I am trying to keep an unbiased view here. looking at it from all angles (as i always do on any subject) but i state my biases first so people will know what i may be influenced by.

The creation of AI and an increased awareness on human impact on the planet.

Not exactly evil things are they? both are things which need to be enacted to usher humankind into the future. But it seems your predjudices dont allow you an unbiased view on a subjects impact.

I will say this though, youve spent so long 'waking up' that youve become an insomniac. Get some rest for once, imagine that the world isnt against you and see the effects of the cause.

You're so worried about the environment

yes i am, its what we started with and we cant keep damaging it.

you'll allow a tyrannical system bent on global domination

Dont assume things when posting. only deal with facts and i may take you seriously.

You condoned Al Gore's hidden agenda, therefore I didn't assume anything. Which facts? My statements are made on facts. Challenge one directly, I probably already have other threads/blogs lined up for them.

You are again assuming things because of your biased view against Gore.

Actually Gore was the least of my concerns... that is until he just so happened to pop up in my radar scopes last fall right in the middle of the entire thing. Tack on teh terrormongering that leads right to the same thing as GWB's terrormongering, and you'll remain in my scopes under close scrutiny.

Notice how you say hes a 'practitioner of Modern Propeganda' while i say he is an 'Orator'? same thing in the basic sense, but you are giving it a negative connotation when i am giving a neutral one.

Diversion goes in there. He's terrormongering everyone who will listen, while quietly setting up a "savior" system, meanwhile nobody even know specific hardedged numbers on what would happen if CO2 doubled. He scares us with something over our heads, and like any CIA torture specialist would know, it's setting everyone up for the parent save me figure. Just like how millions yearn for the government to be all powerful to protect them from the evil terrorists.


I'm not even going to comment on your autocratic views on controlling populations.


You're so unbiased and rational that you can't prevent yourself from direct ad hominem attacks on me, the messenger. If I were to lower myself to your level I'd be quoting your nasty words, for starters.

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