An Inconvenient Truth ON Al Gore: The Google A.I. Conspiracy

Good finds.

I think I found the same place last week when i was working on the new video:
stinet.dtic.mil...

I got in there thru the Space Command website. Lots of results turned up. i filterd thru and have 82 i havent even looked at yet. Just grabbed all of the ones you posted, that worked.

I gotta back and reread for the other parts you're talking about with Gore and InQTel.

Dig.

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Originally posted by AlphaAnuOmega
Hmmm, I still have no idea what this post is actually about. Is it about Al Gore, Global Warming, AI, Sentient Life, "The Terminator", "SkyNet"....make a descision so I can comment accordingly!!

As with all good posts and discussions you have to be familiar with a wide range of issues and have quite the knowledge base. I like post's like these because the author is attempting to build the large internally consistent picture....

I wont say how successful i think his efforts were but so few even tries and my WATS were quite Idle... I should probably find Kurt and Orangetom and give them one each for past conduct.

Stellar

Usually the biggest challenge in these broad spectrum writeups is making it 'entertaining' enough, while not too long so that the reader will actually sit thru it.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss



In the meantime, our news is bombarding the masses with Osama nukes and Global Warming doomsdays, and the 2 frontmen (Bush & Gore) are specifically the ones promoting those conspiracy theories and doowsday events, polarizing the public; distracting everyone from the system that is the REAL [completely preventable, unlike your example for perspective] threat, while our national debt is off the charts and they just increased spending this year.


If you have an actual solution lets hear it. Really.

IIB, this may be one of the all-time best researched, insightful posts in the history of ATS. I wish more people could understand that polarizing the public is one of the cornerstones of their strategy.

Thanks yo.

Considering your quote, you really outta see the one I did several days ago that expands on that specific context:
Dubya and Al Gore's unknown unholy alliance.

It went completely unoticed.

hmmm i have always marveled at the the way the way Google just all of a sudden appeared from virtually nowhere... It is also interesting how you have tied it all together with politics, nasa, cia, and especially AI.

In regards to AI, it is very scary - people may think you can just switch it off, but once the "evermind" becomes active it will be able to use factory robots, etc to create soldiers that will move it's influence to the physical world - it will be everywhere and nowhere.

I have been reading a lot of your posts lately - I like the way you get to the point. Good one mate!

-SB

Also check out the parallels between Google, Al Gore AND Apple.

It will be a collective entity by design. Once it becomes reality it will be countless machines and even mere software AGI's. "It" could start off as one, but it will really become so embedded there will be no way to get rid of it.

This requires the utmost caution. It's too bad they're in a mad rush to secure "their" power ASAP.

See, the problem with the whole AI taking over the world thing is that computers don't have intention. It is only as intelligent as the person who programs it, or the information it assimilates.

Sure, they could feed it all the information in the world, making it super smart, but a machine is a machine. You can not create consciousness artificially.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
You can not create consciousness artificially.

O?

That's a pretty staunch absolutism based on assumption.

SInce their stated goal is to make "cognitive" "self aware" "self healing" "self-optimizing" "intelligent machines" "that know and understand their own dataholdings" I'm not gonna sit back on an assumption.

I think Simon has a point. The nature of consciousness is far from clear, and I strongly suspect it requires an organic matrix to interact with what might laughingly be called "the real world". Therefore a solely computer-based AI is unlikely, to say the least. The fact that billions are being spent on trying to create one is no guarantee that the assumption that such an AI is possible has any validity whatsoever.

Anyone with any experience in the meditative arts, and particularly t'ai chi or chi gung, will know what I mean.

Originally posted by rich23
I strongly suspect it requires an organic matrix to interact with what might laughingly be called "the real world".

So who says it has to be organic?

It cold be sad that it would only need to be able to percieve "the real world", and that could explain why GOogle bought the worlds most advanced "machine vision" technology firm last year. The technology was capable of object (not simply facial) recognition -from not only photos but even videos- right 'out of the box'.

But if you insist on 'organics', biological archetctures just so happens to be an aspect I've been covering since I got into all of this, and it will ultimately be part of the hybrid architectures being developed to push computing to unimaginable limits. Check out this old thread to get started:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The fact that billions are being spent on trying to create one is no guarantee that the assumption that such an AI is possible has any validity whatsoever.

The fact that autonomous drones are living proof that "AI" is possible, as well as several of their other initial AGI programs are operational, lays that view to rest. Check out my other threads before deciding on this one. Here's the most recent (ATS Email Special):
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Anyone with any experience in the meditative arts, and particularly t'ai chi or chi gung, will know what I mean.

So artificial "consciousness" isn't possible because of your subjective (religious belief) interpretation of consciousness? You'll bet everything on that and just ignore it (while paying for them to do it?). I can point you to some top experts who subscribe to Buddhist / etc views and also insist it can be done.

I recall reading that Gore owns part of a company that deals in "carbon credits". I have to wonder if his "Global Warming" hype is just a ruse to line his pockets from the "carbon credits" scam.

Nice research and awesome thread. Its in the works but not many people seem to 'aware' or possibly don't care. I understand all the implications AI would have, but really, would be that bad? I don't know, but the before the next decade is over, the world will be totally different then what we will ever imagine. Have you read Henry Williams cloak of the Illuminati? Is it possible everyone will be wearing dorky suits in the next ten years? MIT is being asked to research and develop nanotech suits.

www.newscientist.com...

www.sfgate.com.../chronicle/archive/2003/04/07/BU305865.DTL&type=tech

www.technologyreview.com...

hell, you can even invest stocks into nanotech suits
www.nanotechnology.com...

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
You can not create consciousness artificially.

Why cant a simulated mind be conscious? How do you know we are not simulated conscious? What I'm saying is that its not unreasonable to suggest AI can't be conscious.

some awesome pages to read on AI

www.math.tulane.edu...

www.turing.org.uk...

Originally posted by AMANNAMEDQUEST
How do you know we are not simulated conscious?

We really dont know anything.
www.simulation-argument.com...

I think this article also has some relavance...by having a database for robots to draw from they can be programmed to react in a certain way.

TOKYO, June 5 (Reuters) - Kansei frowns when he hears the word "bomb," smiles at "sushi" and looks scared and disgusted when someone says "president" -- and he isn't even human.

Japan's latest robot, called Kansei and created by a university research team, can pull up to 36 different facial expressions based on a program which creates word associations from a self-updating online database of 500,000 keywords.

The robot has 19 movable parts underneath the silicone face mask. When the robot hears the word "president," the online database picks up associated words such as "Bush," "war" and "Iraq" and creates an expression which the researchers said is meant to mix fear and disgust.

link




This type of technology is obviously already being put to use. I also think Japanese scientists should stick to science and stay out of American politics.

Malthusian" (man-made) global warming 'prophecy'

I dont see how you can drop the word 'Malthusian' and try to brush it off as meaning 'man made'

Malthusian principles concern themselves with Population outstripping agriculture.

I dont have time to check all the other words you drop, but i'd be more careful next time.

If i have this wrong, though. Feel free to show me how.

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In actuality though, i dont get what you are upset about.

Al Gore. He is a man close to my heart. Excellent orator, caring about the environment, fanatic about computer Information Technology.

Now, your saying that he's a bad man because he had 2 agendas when running for president?

Id say he had many more agendas. Please, look at the American system. Where people tack on ideas to popular bills to get them through. Would bringing AI be doom on earth? Doubt it. Would stopping earth from polluting so much be the doom on earth? i doubt that aswell.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Self-Deceit is a doozey. I used to be politically biased myself.

You're so worried about the environment that you'll allow a tyrannical system bent on global domination create unimaginable power in an artificial intelligence system that noone even has a chance to publicly debate or understand???????

Al Gore is pushing GLOBAL WARMING, with a touch of environmentalism. The threat is overhyped by a loong shot, and even if we followed gore's advice we're doomed, because according to him we have less than 10 years to make it STOP, yet even the Kyoto and so on would bring less than a 30% decrease from todays margins, 5.2% of the 1990 emisions. These people are doomsday propagandists and despite Gore's charm he's no better or more honest than Bush. They each work for the same ends, as clearly demonstrated by my new revelation here.

Gore is s scholar and practitioner of MODERN PROPAGANDA which is the science of persuasion and diversion. Read his new bbook and its dripping with the proof of that claim, as anyone with a decent study into that realm would be able to easily spot.

The police state programs he complains about we're first started under Clinton-Gore, but now that Bush has pushed thru the elites dream systems he's going to rant about it. Just like everything else.


But, you hold him close to your heart, so therefore no matter what he can do no evil, even if it means the most abrupt and radical cliffs edge in human history, something that even the experts making it admit it might just do the various things from the movies. And I'll bet you think the Bush supporters are insane. Science has clearly demonstrated that ideologues from either the left or the right are equally self-decieving... it's basic human social nature. Emotions are irrational. Wake up.

Emotions are irrational. Wake up.

Ill start at the bottom because this is the first thing i saw.

Ive been told to open my eyes, wake up, stop condoning the evil and all this other bull# in EVERY other thread ive been in. So ill start my response with this.

Shut the # up, stop telling me to wake up and stop pissing me off, ok?

right, now. For your actual post.

Lets cut down your first paragraph.

You're so worried about the environment

yes i am, its what we started with and we cant keep damaging it. im not a hippy, ive just 'woken up' *rolls eyes*

you'll allow a tyrannical system bent on global domination

Dont assume things when posting. only deal with facts and i may take you seriously.

create unimaginable power in an artificial intelligence system that noone even has a chance to publicly debate or understand???????

since when? If he became president he might have said "I want to make AI and usher the world into the future, i will have open forums and cameras 24/7. Also we will have all members working on this project available to speak at regular intervals."

You are again assuming things because of your biased view against Gore.

Al Gore is pushing GLOBAL WARMING, with a touch of environmentalism. The threat is overhyped by a loong

...

each work for the same ends, as clearly demonstrated by my new revelation here.

Hmmm, Gore did overhype global warming. But its a significant problem. Come and experience an Australian summer before trying to say that it isnt much of a problem. The thing is, though. We dont NEED to eradicate the problem in this time period. We just need to alleviate it abit, to put stitches on the wound so to speak to allow it to heal later.

Gore is s scholar and practitioner of MODERN PROPAGANDA which is the science of persuasion and diversion. Read his new book and its dripping with the proof of that claim, as anyone with a decent study into that realm would be able to easily spot.

I have done more than 'decent' study on the powers of persuation and i know a master when i see them. Is propeganda a bad thing? No it really isnt. It has negative connotations. Notice how you say hes a 'practitioner of Modern Propeganda' while i say he is an 'Orator'? same thing in the basic sense, but you are giving it a negative connotation when i am giving a neutral one.

The police state programs he complains about we're first started under Clinton-Gore, but now that Bush has pushed thru the elites dream systems he's going to rant about it. Just like everything else.

well, you see, i could easily explain that. The United States has a very unruly population. The belief in 'freedom' has become so ingrained that the slight hint of a removal of a freedom is seen as 'oppression'. Many of the laws you complain about have been enacted here in Australia and i truly dont notice a difference.

Your last paragraph just drips in Hypocracy. The reverse applies to you. You see him as evil and as such you look for damning evidence. I am trying to keep an unbiased view here. looking at it from all angles (as i always do on any subject) but i state my biases first so people will know what i may be influenced by.

The creation of AI and an increased awareness on human impact on the planet.

Not exactly evil things are they? both are things which need to be enacted to usher humankind into the future. But it seems your predjudices dont allow you an unbiased view on a subjects impact.

I will say this though, youve spent so long 'waking up' that youve become an insomniac. Get some rest for once, imagine that the world isnt against you and see the effects of the cause.

You're so worried about the environment

yes i am, its what we started with and we cant keep damaging it.

you'll allow a tyrannical system bent on global domination

Dont assume things when posting. only deal with facts and i may take you seriously.

You condoned Al Gore's hidden agenda, therefore I didn't assume anything. Which facts? My statements are made on facts. Challenge one directly, I probably already have other threads/blogs lined up for them.

You are again assuming things because of your biased view against Gore.

Actually Gore was the least of my concerns... that is until he just so happened to pop up in my radar scopes last fall right in the middle of the entire thing. Tack on teh terrormongering that leads right to the same thing as GWB's terrormongering, and you'll remain in my scopes under close scrutiny.

Notice how you say hes a 'practitioner of Modern Propeganda' while i say he is an 'Orator'? same thing in the basic sense, but you are giving it a negative connotation when i am giving a neutral one.

Diversion goes in there. He's terrormongering everyone who will listen, while quietly setting up a "savior" system, meanwhile nobody even know specific hardedged numbers on what would happen if CO2 doubled. He scares us with something over our heads, and like any CIA torture specialist would know, it's setting everyone up for the parent save me figure. Just like how millions yearn for the government to be all powerful to protect them from the evil terrorists.


I'm not even going to comment on your autocratic views on controlling populations.


You're so unbiased and rational that you can't prevent yourself from direct ad hominem attacks on me, the messenger. If I were to lower myself to your level I'd be quoting your nasty words, for starters.

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