"Tyrannical system bent on Global domination"

There, give me proof, and i dont want forum threads and blogs. I want real proof.

Tack on teh terrormongering that leads right to the same thing as GWB's terrormongering, and you'll remain in my scopes under close scrutiny.

But the thing is that Gore's 'terrormongering' is justified. George Bush's isnt. Fear of the scary scary terrorists is nothing. A terrorist is a symbol denoting foreign humans from the middle east. Thats just racism.

Gore is giving a sense of fear about a threat, not just global warming, but global catastrophes due to human negligence in protecting our environment.

He's terrormongering everyone who will listen

EVERYONE IN THE US DOES THAT. i have never seen a US broadcast that didnt centre around a fear of some kind.

like any CIA torture specialist would know

or any parent who knows about what fairytales are.

Just like how millions yearn for the government to be all powerful to protect them from the evil terrorists.

but your not prepared to accept a truth that is presented in front of you, you also dont want to accept any limitations on your freedom. This is, of course, impossible.

I'm not even going to comment on your autocratic views on controlling populations.

Theres nothing wrong with being an Autocrat. a good person at the head of a good system will get good results.

I'm not even going to comment on your autocratic views on controlling populations.

why not?

You're so unbiased and rational that you can't prevent yourself from direct ad hominem attacks on me, the messenger. If I were to lower myself to your level I'd be quoting your nasty words, for starters.

I think you were trying to say IRrational.

You can quote my nasty words and blubber or you can take it like a man. Im sick to death of some of the people here and its only my third day posting.

You may enjoy being treated like a child and being told to 'open your eyes' in every post, but i actually have maturity and i see the bigger picture. The one you dont seem to grasp.

All i can gather from what your saying is that you hate your government, you want something better, something with abit more freedom than now (if that was even possible).

Al Gore is using exactly the same tactics as Tiberius Gracchus did in ancient Rome.

Tiberius Gracchus- tried to enact a law to stop noblemen having monopolies on land. Was stopped by the Senate. Avoided the senate and put his laws directly to the people so popular demand would force the senate to bend to his demands

Al Gore- Tried to run for president to enact global protection (as in protecting the earth from us) and other laws (such as AI, according to you). Was stopped by a shady vote. Avoiding the government he now puts his beliefs directly to the people so popular demand would force the government to take action.

See the parrallels? He is a smart man and knows where the power really resides. Unfortunatly though, the same thing is happening. Tiberius and Gore's followers both began to resort to strife and violence forcing the government to impose restrictions on them, causing more strife.

The problem in both these scenarios lay with the Government in question, and the people who were roaring for a fight.

This is another reason why i dont blame Gore for some of the results. But you can see that he has had a positive effect on the world. Every day i see things in Australia. We arent even a very big contributer to CO2 emmissions, but we are trying our hardest to squeeze away every drop of CO2 we emit.

dont blame the messenger (Gore) just because ou want to blame someone.

Well ill end this right now.

How bout we listen to you and believe what you say blindly.

Now, Thanks to you we can stop wasting money on Global projects, saving the environment and all that toss. We can continue to use oil and other non renewable resources to power our 17 wheel trucks with in built air conditioners and laser cannons.

We can not make any more GLOBAL treaties which may begin the path towards global recognition of the threat we pose to our environment and the possiblities of mutual aid.

Thanks, youve made the world a better place.

This is how Gore is justified. If you want to keep it the way it is you can get the hell off my planet. I want it to last.

Ah, but then your not listening to what im saying.

If you will notice, i have said this many times in many of your posts, that although Gore talks about CO2, his body language and modes of speech show something completly different.

Its saying "We can reduce CO2, its a start"

oh, and your entire last post i cant take seriously anymore, because you said 'fo sho'.

Yes, i admit that he could be wrong, i admit you could be wrong. Ive done enough archaology to know that no matter how much evidence you find there is always something there to completely destroy and remake a perspective.

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Where is his film about actual pollution? the real question is does he need to make one?

99% of the world is working to reduce not just CO2 emmissions, but other kinds of pollution aswell. This is because The Inconvenient truth, combined with other presentations, movies, etc, has opened peoples eyes to the damage they are wreaking on the earths environment.

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You just dont get it do you? Why would Gore need to 'slam' Bush. Perhaps he will use, you know, diplomacy? tact? its not that hard. You can see it now, the increase in the Earth Movement has turned many people against their governments to demand them to do something.

Popular support is the strongest thing in diplomacy. You dont need to follow the entire government process if you can get the mob to back you.

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anyway, not all chemicals with huge half lives are bad. If i didnt have Carbon-14 then i couldnt find out how old a once living piece of tissue or plant matter is, could i?

Where is the harm? Not all chemicals are dangerous

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You may have the real solutions, but consider.

Youve put them on the internet on a conspiracy theory forum.

Gore made a presentation and movie and showed it to the world as a whole.

The film is called "the most terrifying film you will ever see"

its right, i love horror and thriller pics, but seriously? Nothing scared me more than seeing the photos of then and now in contrast.

Americans have this thing against conforming, even when its a good idea. It pisses me off so much.

As a start, could you do me a favour soon? Go rewatch an Inconvenient truth. I watched it again today, you'll notice that most of the times when he refers to global warming he calls it "Global Warming pollution" not CO2.

Body language? He throws soundbytes about "pollution" around, sure, but what is his film about?

Its about 'opening our eyes' to many things. Firstly, the damage we do to those around us. Secondly, how although our perception of the changes we make show it to be a slow phenomenon, in the history of the world we are destroying it in record time. Thirdy, that human beings need to feel the consequences before reacting to a threat.

No, it's saying we have less than 10 years until the point of no return, and the solution is for YOU to change your life

Ive already changed mine, and Australia contributes only 1.1% of the worlds global warming pollution. How about you?

I could be wrong about how truly sinister this man really is, but reason, in light of these inconvenient truths i've been chronicaling, seems to dictate that this is one sick puppy like the rest of them down in DC.

I think it may be paranoia. Consider the stories of people who do things for the aid of those around them and are rewarded. Gore could be doing these things completly selflessly. I doubt that to be true, but you just need to keep in mind that although something may appear a certain way, it isnt so.

In his all-out intellectual destruction of the Bush Administration in AOR, he didn't mention DU. Look into DU. This revelation with Al Gore is mindblowing.

Abbreviations make Octavius cry.

His Bush coverage would make even many 9/11 proud, however, it's all partisan politics designed to cause wedges and probably to launch a prime presidential election campaign to take the helm of the greatest (public) powerseat man had ever known.

Could also be anger at the man who usurped his presidential victory and then didnt follow through on his pledges to help the environment.

Does it get the worlds people off of energy slavery? Will it end the neverending struggle (wars and domination) to get energy? Not quite.

What do you mean by Energy slavery? while humans keep moving forward we will be 'slaves' to energy. By that i mean that we will rely on energy. What the scientific community which is pro conservation is doing is trying to move the world onto new technologies and off the old ones.

Gores formula.

Old Technologies+old thinking=Predictable consequences
Old Technologies+new thinking= uncertain consequences.

Manmade chemicals that never or rarely occur in nature are what i'm talking about.

They need to serve a purpose and the consequences of their use must be analyzed and then weighed up against the pros.

I put them wherever i can. I like this place. I make videos.

The Media is the massage. People respond to certain types of Media in certain ways. Once beyond High School internet sources and videos are rarely trusted. Gore has the money and the ability to create this movie and market it. You cannot deny that a movie is by far a more effective mode of conveying this message?

Then dig into how many glaicers exist on planet earth and then how many have actually been studied for efffects of "Global Warming".

The thing is though, im not concerned with Global Warming, alone. Seeing the photos Gore has in the inconvenient Truth shows me that there is something wrong with the world today, pollution is the problem. We need to solve it quickly.

If you lived here you wouldn't be saying that!

Ah i mean the US doesnt like to conform with the world, even on good ideas. Its annoying because it makes American puppet states follow the US's lead. Ie. Australia not signing Kyoto. Even if we dont do that much pollution, we could at least sign on to help.

I wonder if the AI would just become enlightened and then only answer us like a monk with more questions.
its such a strange subject to think about.

excellent thread!

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
It seems that Gore's weather hobby projects always seem to go hand in hand with his supercomputing and artificial intelligence hobby kits. Before NASA and Google had announced this 'merger', Gore's darling, NASA had already been well underway in their "Intelligent Archives" (IA) project.

I promise I will read this full thread in detail, Bliss. But in case nobody made this observation, I just wanted to be the first to say, below:

Everything you dismissed about Al Gore in the OP actually makes me think this is one VERY SHARP AND COOL GUY! He is exactly the kind of person that (as an engineer) I personally would really like to run things. The more I learn about Gore, the more impressed I actually am. Why isn't this guy our president?

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I will comment later after reading the rest of the posts (if there is anything I can contribute further.)

Despite my total disagreement with your OP, your premise, and your dismissive tone, it is really well written. Flagged and Starred! (Your first star I see for this particular thread, strangely enough.)

[edit on 29-2-2008 by Buck Division]

holey moley, thought i was special in coming up with the idea a few years ago that an AI who can acess our computer networks will self improve indefinitly!,oh well!.

the question must be asked,what happens when our networks are linked with other species networks?,is there a god internet where many many advanced civs pool themselves together into one huge behemoth!?.my god,we are more primitive than i ever imagined!

what happens with a million years of self improvement of a multi species network!?,think about it,what couldnt it do!?,it would have the ability to control large parts of the universe,at some point to create its own universe and maintain everysingle atom as it chooses!!!.

it must stand to reason such multispecies networks exist,and it must stand to reason it is not hostile or we wouldnt be alive,it would have no reason to be hostile,it could create and do anything it wanted.it would also stand to reason in any past universe such a network would exist and evolve to control the whole universe.

interesting times,interesting times!.

-bump-

IIB's threads deserve another look.
It's been too long.