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Well said undo. I have just this minute got back from watching Dolly Parton perform at the NEC Birmingham. Now there is one heck of a Christian woman. She speaks from the heart and soul AND MEANS IT. If only your Country were run by such individuals instead of the totally corrupt bigots that are selected by the unseen Government, that are presented to you as a " choice ". There is no choice . They are all the same. Just like different puppets in a Punch and Judy show all operated by the same hand that pulls all the strings of all the puppets.

Well very soon this has to end. The GOOD people - the correct minded people - of the once great country that used to be a democracy will regain control of that great country of yours and once again shine a light for all the world to follow.

Originally posted by pippadee

Well very soon this has to end. The GOOD people - the correct minded people - of the once great country that used to be a democracy will regain control of that great country of yours and once again shine a light for all the world to follow.

Once great country led by good people? Sorry is there a decade or two of American history that I missed? If history,politics.religion or whatever has taught us is that once a person comes in to power, all this "democracy" and "ethics" get thrown out the window.

Religion should not be used to rule a country, common sense should.

sip

Originally posted by sip

Originally posted by pippadee

Well very soon this has to end. The GOOD people - the correct minded people - of the once great country that used to be a democracy will regain control of that great country of yours and once again shine a light for all the world to follow.

Once great country led by good people? Sorry is there a decade or two of American history that I missed? If history,politics.religion or whatever has taught us is that once a person comes in to power, all this "democracy" and "ethics" get thrown out the window.

Religion should not be used to rule a country, common sense should.

sip

I agree common sense is the order of the day, but the problem is, if the common sense happens to also be in the bible, it's frequently tossed out as "religious" when in reality, it's common sense. The fear of religion has grown so great, that some folks are actually working against their own common sense in an effort to avoid actually agreeing with or doing anything that might be in a religious text. Especially, if that common sense is something famously quoted from that religious text. In an effort to scapegoat religion for all that's wrong in the world, the consensus with these particular people is to shoot themselves repeatedly in the foot. It's a rather perplexing thing to see.

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Originally posted by undo


I agree common sense is the order of the day, but the problem is, if the common sense happens to also be in the bible, it's frequently tossed out as "religious" when in reality, it's common sense. The fear of religion has grown so great, that some folks are actually working against their own common sense in an effort to avoid actually agreeing with or doing anything that might be in a religious text. Especially, if that common sense is something famously quoted from that religious text. In an effort to scapegoat religion for all that's wrong in the world, the consensus with these particular people is to shoot themselves repeatedly in the foot. It's a rather perplexing thing to see.

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Well to be honest if someone gets confused by misinterpreting common sense from what has been written in the bible then they deserve to get shot in the foot. Ignorance is no excuse. It's not complicated. I honestly don't know WHY you would be looking at the bible in the first place. It should not dictate the rules of life.

sip

Originally posted by sip

Originally posted by undo


I agree common sense is the order of the day, but the problem is, if the common sense happens to also be in the bible, it's frequently tossed out as "religious" when in reality, it's common sense. The fear of religion has grown so great, that some folks are actually working against their own common sense in an effort to avoid actually agreeing with or doing anything that might be in a religious text. Especially, if that common sense is something famously quoted from that religious text. In an effort to scapegoat religion for all that's wrong in the world, the consensus with these particular people is to shoot themselves repeatedly in the foot. It's a rather perplexing thing to see.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by undo]

Well to be honest if someone gets confused by misinterpreting common sense from what has been written in the bible then they deserve to get shot in the foot. Ignorance is no excuse. It's not complicated. I honestly don't know WHY you would be looking at the bible in the first place. It should not dictate the rules of life.

sip

I don't see why I would not be looking at the bible in the first place. In fact, I don't see why I would not look at lots of ancient texts. Are you gonna round off on me here and tell me you don't approve of my curriculum? Errr, wait, that was a useless question since its obvious by your statement that you don't approve of the curriculum. Well, sorry to disappoint, but I'm terribly fond of ancient texts and most especially the bible, pseudopigraphia, akkadian, babylonian and egyptian texts. I hear tell that the ugaritic texts are quite interesting! That's on my things to read list.

Originally posted by undo
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I don't see why I would not be looking at the bible in the first place. In fact, I don't see why I would not look at lots of ancient texts. Are you gonna round off on me here and tell me you don't approve of my curriculum? Errr, wait, that was a useless question since its obvious by your statement that you don't approve of the curriculum. Well, sorry to disappoint, but I'm terribly fond of ancient texts and most especially the bible, pseudopigraphia, akkadian, babylonian and egyptian texts. I hear tell that the ugaritic texts are quite interesting! That's on my things to read list.

No doubt that they are fascinating reads but you can't just use the bible or ancient texts for solutions to our modern problems. Referencing them is fine but too many people rely on ancient text only to drive a modern world. Do you see what I'm getting at? This isn't a personal attack against you. Do what you want, it's your life.

sip

[edit on 30-3-2007 by sip]

Originally posted by sip

Originally posted by undo
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I don't see why I would not be looking at the bible in the first place. In fact, I don't see why I would not look at lots of ancient texts. Are you gonna round off on me here and tell me you don't approve of my curriculum? Errr, wait, that was a useless question since its obvious by your statement that you don't approve of the curriculum. Well, sorry to disappoint, but I'm terribly fond of ancient texts and most especially the bible, pseudopigraphia, akkadian, babylonian and egyptian texts. I hear tell that the ugaritic texts are quite interesting! That's on my things to read list.

No doubt that they are fascinating reads but you can't just use the bible or ancient texts for solutions to our modern problems. Referencing them is fine but too many people rely on ancient text only to drive a modern world. Do you see what I'm getting at? This isn't a personal attack against you. Do what you want, it's your life.

sip

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that would be contingent on what part or parts you gave emphasis to. For example, Jesus talked about forgiveness, kindness, charity, generosity, turning the other cheek, patience, long suffering, being non-judgemental, love, faith and hope.

so that's what i try to do as well. i'm not always successful, as i am human and just as prone to mistakes as the next person, but those are definitely good guidelines and very sensible. my weakness appears to be defending myself. i'm supposed to turn the other cheek but don't want to be the only person willing to acquiese for the sake of forgiveness. it's expected of me, of course, but that's the part i have trouble with.

i see people, old enough to be my parents, who condemn me on the basis of my paradigm, when in fact, it's the lack of people actually following such a paradigm in the first place, that causes the world to be such a mess. if we all agreed to follow the simple examples jesus gave, it certainly would be more pleasant. but instead, we gotta don the battle dress and go out to force others into our way of thinking or ridicule them till they either lash out in defense or give it up entirely and just join the mess that is the very thing we all dislike in the first place!

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zysin5, thank you for that beautiful post.
Undo, you are obviously a very intellegent person and on the ball.
John Lear, I am sorry for the tough language of my last post but I got fired up.
What everyone needs to be asking themsleves now is who is
writting these forced apologies by the captured British sailors?
The story advances another page and Gods plan comes closer to conclusion.
Everyone watch the news with peeled eyes in the next few days and weeks because things are going to get rough.
If the Coilition attacks Iran over the hostage crisis then watch the fireworks and pray hard.

THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Why did John write that the mark of the Beast would be the number 666?
Sence I have established that aliens are fallen angels who live on other planets I think we need to look at those planets just as God directed us to; for signs.
The six sided hexagon found over Saturns north pole cant be explained by scientist. We have known of it for 20 years and it has not moved at all and does not blow with the winds that whirl around it.
Jesus said that in the End Days great knowledge would be revealed to the world and with todays technology such as space probes that knowledge can be obtained.
The number 6 is attributed to the planet Saturn. Saturn is the 6th planet in distance from the Sun. The word Saturday comes from Saturn which is the 6th day of the week and the day of Saturn. Mankind was created on the 6th day, which is the same day Satan fell from heaven. The name Satan is derived from Saturn.
The ancient civilazations of the Egyptions and Romans who were heavily helped and influenced by the fallen angels worshiped Saturn.

This completes another part of the picture because of the "aliens" role and they will claim that the Mark of the Beast is the symbol of Saturn.
I believe that this hexagonal structure we see is the gateway to Hell. It is being prepared to host the Devil and billions of souls who will go with him.

The above post just reeks of someone playing the numbers game, Numerology. Anyone can find patterns in most cases, but they don't have to mean anything. The hexagon on Saturn is a gateway to hell? No wonder your mood is Stoned.
I assume you're the first person ever to make the claim that Saturn is a gateway to hell?

sip

am i the only one who finds it rather odd that Megadeth believes in God and yet would like to deny ignorance?

that is a true mystery to me, or maybe not.

That assumes he's ignorant because he believes differently than you. Not a very nice position to maintain.

Consider the ancient past. There's thousands of years of historical texts that we completely ignore today on the premise that our ancestors were ignorant. I don't think that's a very accurate appraisal.

Originally posted by undo
That assumes he's ignorant because he believes differently than you. Not a very nice position to maintain.

Consider the ancient past. There's thousands of years of historical texts that we completely ignore today on the premise that our ancestors were ignorant. I don't think that's a very accurate appraisal.

Not quite. I believe this slogan "deny ignorance" is plight to stop assuming that whatever the powers that be maintain is the truth, an explanation of sorts. So on one side MD is calling for openness, honesty, disclosure etc etc.

Religion in a sense is a form of staying ignorant. Im not suggesting that Christianity is an unfounded fairytale, but it is widely used as a 'reason' to justify the ways of the world (and according to MD, the ways of the universe and al it's inhabitants)

so if you look at it in that sense, its very strange.

In fact our ancient ancestors had advanced knowledge and we cant explain how they had it. The Summarians knew about every planet in our galaxy and could describe them. How else do you explain this knowledge without realising they had to have been told about it. That means that ever sence mankind first walked the Earth that extraterrestrial beings have been guiding us and changing us. I for one will not believe that I am the result of a science project and my life has no other impact or meaning besides to die.
Something that people must realise about God is for him time and space are much different than to us. A million years is the blink of an eye and greatest distance doesnt matter. He created the universe for us to admire and explore and the secrets are there to find. The thing to remember is that the universe is mankinds and mans alone. God did not create the image of himself anywhere else because we are his childeren. But he does allow the fallen ones to dwell in these places and allows them their free will just like he does man.

Originally posted by shadow fax


Not quite. I believe this slogan "deny ignorance" is plight to stop assuming that whatever the powers that be maintain is the truth, an explanation of sorts.

this, would, by virtue of its broad scope, apply to TPTB (the powers tha be) of any time period and not just specifically those periods of time in which supernatural or metaphysical events transpired, or only in books/documents in which supernatural or metaphysical events were described

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by shadow fax


Not quite. I believe this slogan "deny ignorance" is plight to stop assuming that whatever the powers that be maintain is the truth, an explanation of sorts.

this, would, by virtue of its broad scope, apply to TPTB (the powers tha be) of any time period and not just specifically those periods of time in which supernatural or metaphysical events transpired, or only in books/documents in which supernatural or metaphysical events were described

That doesn't change my point.

In my case (and I'm sure a lot of others) it's not the fact that we disagree with what Jesus preached, it's what the people turned him into. I look at Jesus as a very wise man who preached very wise and sensible things. Though I don't doubt for a second that many of his words had been interpreted far too literally by the naive people of that time... and so became the game of chinese whispers and "Christianity" was created. Not long after it was taken and exploited...Bad men saw the potentials in this new following. "In the name of Jesus, I shall..." etc. They rely on it so much now, that TPTB must protect Christianity with every means possible. Hide any finds/artifacts/history... I guess you could just say, ridicule any truth that may contradict/endanger their source/excuse for power.

I'm sure what he preached was needed by some people at the time... but that was a very small minority in the world. What he preached was mostly just common sense for almost all cultures of the world. I'm willing to bet almost any common man who followed the vedic culture (for example) in that time would also be looked at as "more than man" if he went and preached to the same people as Jesus did.

There's a theory that Jesus might of traveled to India and learnt the vedic culture, and it was after that he went back home to preach his new ways of life to the people. Good example of how he may have came to aquire his knowledge.

It would be quite hard to deny that there are billions of other planets with much more advanced civilizations...for an infinate amount of time. I just find it much more logical to think we came to exist on this planet due to civilizations on other planets.




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Oh I dunno, if you look around, I think the new bullies are mainstream science and mainstream historians, who tossed out all our ancestors history texts, claiming they were "religious" texts (a word used to pigeon hole them), when in fact they are much more than religious. They are also historical, scientific, advisory, dietary, lessons in logic, lessons in meditation, information about the movement of objects in the heavens, encouraging, uplifting, edifying, sociological, psychological, physiological, artistic, metaphorical, literal, poetic, mind expanding, numerological, geometric, mathematical, moral, futuristic, comforting, wise, informative, and so on. Certainly the equivalent of any modern historical texts and more to boot. I find it a real travesty that the current mainstream view is that our ancestors were ignorant.

The problem isn't the history. The problem isn't the gods in the history (well not entirely, anyway). The problem is what unscrupulous people will and have done with it, not unlike any other paradigm, be it "religious" or not. Killing in the name of a socialistic utopia, is still killing, more characteristically akin to euthanasia, something Hitler seemed to think was necessary for the formation of utopia and we all see how that turned out.

Jesus did more than just preach a good message and set a good example.
Being God in the flesh he performed many miracles and displayed his power. He was born from a virgin and died a savior. He then took his body and accended to Heaven. He was not a normal man.

...and thats exactly what I meant by chinese whispers. You're evidence for this is taken from a book. A book that more than likely was written/rewritten by bad men trying to exploit the 'Jesus following' for the use of power.

Anyone can take an event, write the event on paper in a much exaggerated form; and than send it out as truth. The aim being; to make the event much more appealing so that more people gain interest in the writing.

Of course, I don't expect you or any other christian to change their way of thinking of Jesus just by debating the subject on an internet forum. Christianity has gone way too far for that to be possible. Any chance in revealing/finding out the real truth has been long buried and it's now just a matter of faith. Even than, you have the advantage on that one. It's not very often a child will grow up and question all the years of brainwashing put into their head by the parents and mainstream.

Infact... most will go into denial when a conflicting question does arise.

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