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Originally posted by simonmagus
Greer is smart enough to understand his actions. Why is he bringing up new age metaphysics when it can be used to discredit him? Even if true, there is nothing positive that can result from his new age metaphysical claims.
I've personally had experience with spontaneous telepathy but will never share in public. Why would anyone want to be branded as a kook? He is basically asking for it. When it comes to UFOs and their technology, the only facts that matter are what can be proven and independently duplicated. Greer, please stick to the issues that are solid (meant literally and figuratively).
There must be a reason behind Greer's public claims and I don't think it is a good one. Has he given up or given in to the fight for disclosure?
Originally posted by kroms33
Ok, I am watching it - I think Greer is loosing some credibility because he is turning this into a "New Age" religion.
He should have left it to a scientific / witness discussion - instead of "Cosmology" - I am very disappointed.
It's now about money.
Sorry for the edit - but HOW can anyone with a scientific mind take anything what he says at face value... I thought the disclosure project was going to get the ball rolling - now I see that it is just a wacky ride for people who are caught up in the 'new age' religious beliefs of the minority of the UFO believers.
Seems very dis-informative to me... thus placing Greer among a long line of non-scientific 'kooks' making mass profits off of people with books, conferences and DVDs...
I know many will attack my views about this - but look at it from a scientific level. I believe UFOs exist - but for the public to accept this as fact - you don't make it spiritual - you make it scientific and present facts.
MAN AM I DISAPPOINTED.
[edit on 3/11/2007 by kroms33]
Originally posted by free_spirit
Actually the last conference by Dr. Steve Greer was on
February 25, 2007 at the International UFO Congress
in Laughlin, Nevada. I was there and this one received
a standing ovation by the audience.
Originally posted by tock
A pure hearted, well intentioned man would. You say the whole truth, you don't say half of it. He doesn't speak what you want to hear, what would make you feel alright or better about yourself. He speaks the truth. He speaks for the people that are ready to move on with all this. As simple as that. He speaks truly of what he experienced in the past without any restrains. I don't think we have many more years before disclosure. Fasten your seat belts.
Originally posted by Seeker PI
I watched the "Lecture" directly from the original link before I read any of the comments posted, and I agree with practically everything already stated. I'am just flabbergasted!
A whole body of work sinks beneath a camped-up presentation that had practically nothing to do with the original goal of his organisation.
A better hatchet job I have never seen. Maybe he was payed a visit by the same people who suggested David Ickes lizardman punchline.
I'll cling to the hope that his G7 Close encounters scenario has some substance to it.
I have sympathy for his spiritual hypothosis, but this is going to seriously weeken his credibility as most of you have pointed out.
What a crying shame!
Originally posted by TheStev
I believe, though I can't cite examples, that Greer's work always had a touch of the spiritual, but certainly never to this extent. I'm thinking mainly of the 'aliens are benign and here to help humanity' plus the 'meditate to manifest UFOs' elements here, but I think they've always been there to a certain extent.
I see a couple of possibilities on this one:
-Greer was always a disinfo agent, set up as a respectable credible researcher early on to draw in so many eyewitnesses, only to turn 'spiritual' - which leads to the tarring all of his witnesses with the same brush
-Someone 'got to' Greer.
-Greer has undergone a personal spiritual experience and has been blinded by it so that he doesn't realise that the greater public has yet to go through this carthasis, so any presentation given from this viewpoint will have no impact on them whatsoever (similar to the way a newly converted Christian doesn't understand that the world around them doesn't see this 'great gift they just got for free that they want to tell everyone about' etc in the same light)
For my part, the Disclosure Project was doomed from the beginning. It was a fantastic concept, but the fact that they tried to tie the de-weaponisation of space into the same project killed it. I don't like the idea of guns in space either, but they're different goals with different approaches. Trying to bring the two together will only turn away people who are for and against each.
Originally posted by Seeker PI
Thanks for the insight theStev.
What really troubles me is this.
The origianal premise was first disclosure and then contact. He now has the Disclosure element in place and says he has tacit agreement with a G7 nation to stage a Contact event.
If you have all your ducks in a row, and you firmly believe the whole thrust of the excersise is to now get all the information to as many people as possible. Then why would you not go straight to Fox and get a Close Encounters 3 live special in place to do exactly that.
We all know the media is manipulted, but do you think they will turn down the opportunity to sell MacDonalds airtime during the greatest live show on earth, Can you imagine what the audience figures would be.
No. Something is very wrong here.
Originally posted by tock
A pure hearted, well intentioned man would. You say the whole truth, you don't say half of it. He doesn't speak what you want to hear, what would make you feel alright or better about yourself. He speaks the truth. He speaks for the people that are ready to move on with all this. As simple as that. He speaks truly of what he experienced in the past without any restrains.
Originally posted by vladmir
And let me ask you this.
Are we really qualified to pass judgements on him? Honestly?
Have we even done half the work Steven Greer has in bringing credibility, YES,credibility to this whole UFO/Alien issue?
We can see just how passionate and sincere he is in his quest to hold a congressional hearing, to bring this in the Media spotlight more and more.
I have great respect for Mr Greer, I'am just terribly dissapointed.
More importantly,has he ever said in his lectures
"I represent the religious and spiritual beliefs of ALL the members and contributers of the Disclosure Project, all 500 of them??