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Originally posted by Seeker PI
Originally posted by vladmir
And let me ask you this.
Are we really qualified to pass judgements on him? Honestly?
Have we even done half the work Steven Greer has in bringing credibility, YES,credibility to this whole UFO/Alien issue?
We can see just how passionate and sincere he is in his quest to hold a congressional hearing, to bring this in the Media spotlight more and more.
Who of any of us, is qualified to pass judgement on anyone ?
Steven Greer was head and shoulders closer to achieving disclosure, than any other person on this planet. Thats why his lecture performance is so horrifying.
He has traded away the message he is trying to get out, for self fulfilment.
His desire to tie in buddhism, and bunch of psuedo scientific jargon with the original quest of the disclosure project, I say again, has weakened the whole premise of his organisation.
The message is way more important than the messenger, and for the sake of the mission he would have been better to leave the esoteric in the closet, At least for now.
I have great respect for Mr Greer, I'am just terribly dissapointed.
Originally posted by SKUNK2
There are 2 people that have posted on this topic that are just as bad as Greer??? Claiming to know things but you won't tell any one??? What a f**king joke i'm sure U2 know who you are as well. Do YOU TWO think people will take YOU seriously when you say stuff like that, claiming to know things LOL.
Originally posted by kroms33
I don't know - but if I was at that conference - I would have wanted to hear what was going on with 'disclosure' instead of hearing about metaphysical realities and communication with our "alien brothers" and garbage like that.
Originally posted by kroms33
Originally posted by SKUNK2
There are 2 people that have posted on this topic that are just as bad as Greer??? Claiming to know things but you won't tell any one??? What a f**king joke i'm sure U2 know who you are as well. Do YOU TWO think people will take YOU seriously when you say stuff like that, claiming to know things LOL.
I guess not - sorry, I wont post in your thread anymore.
I am not going to put people that I know and love at risk...
(the things I know that are TS have nothing to do with UFOs)
Later.
[edit on 3/12/2007 by kroms33]
Originally posted by tock
It scares you, because it's outside your belief system. It's not because it's outside your belief system that it should remain hidden so you feel secure too And as human, we have tendency to get scared by the unknown, doesn't make all this less real. If you want to fight all this, you can, but no matter what you do, if you don't embrace the consciousness shift, you will die and the next generations will do.
Let me put a simple note here also. The conscious Life expo was a consciousness lecture, not an ET lecture.
Originally posted by thematrix
Actualy, if you look at this recording you'll understand that this talk was more or less dedicated to this subject.
He already did a half day lecture that day about the details of disclosure and the withnesses.
Thats something else I find a bit iffy about this video being advertised on a multitude of websites.
This one is kinda "incriminating" Greer as a crackpot. Because without the bigger picture and all the information around the subject, thats what this video makes him look like.
Originally posted by Seeker PI
Originally posted by tock
It scares you, because it's outside your belief system. It's not because it's outside your belief system that it should remain hidden so you feel secure too And as human, we have tendency to get scared by the unknown, doesn't make all this less real. If you want to fight all this, you can, but no matter what you do, if you don't embrace the consciousness shift, you will die and the next generations will do.
Let me put a simple note here also. The conscious Life expo was a consciousness lecture, not an ET lecture.
"Scared" ?????
If you take the time to read what I have said throughout this thread, you will see that nowhere do I state what my belief system is. So I'am not sure how you know that the concept is beyond my comprehension.
" If you want to fight all this, you can"
I have followed ufology for almost 40 years now, from Keyhoe to Daniken through to all the modern day investigators such as Stanton Friedman et al. I AM A BELIEVER! Steven Greer needs to prove nothing to me.
" but no matter what you do, if you don't embrace the consciousness shift, you will die and the next generations will do".
This is a concept that has already been reserved by many of the planets major religions. I had hoped that Contact would shed new light on that way of thinking.
Thanks for pointing out it was a Concious life Expo and nothing to do with ET's. I would never have guessed.
Edit for spelling
[edit on 12-3-2007 by Seeker PI]
Originally posted by tock
I think that in the 40 years of research you have accomplished, you missed a whole lot of important things, and you are trying to deny them today. The association of spirituality, science and the space visitors. It's just one big thing.
[edit on 12-3-2007 by tock]
Originally posted by Seeker PI
Originally posted by tock
I think that in the 40 years of research you have accomplished, you missed a whole lot of important things, and you are trying to deny them today. The association of spirituality, science and the space visitors. It's just one big thing.
[edit on 12-3-2007 by tock]
If you wish to engage me in debate thats great, I welcome it.
But for you to argue my understanding of life the universe and everything, without me ever stateing my position on the subject is asinine to say the least.
"The association of spirituality, science and the space visitors. It's just one big thing."
I agree with you whole heartedly.
What do you want to debate next?
...and for the sake of the mission he would have been better to leave the esoteric in the closet, At least for now.
Originally posted by tock
If you agree, why did you say:
...and for the sake of the mission he would have been better to leave the esoteric in the closet, At least for now.
Originally posted by Seeker PI
Originally posted by tock
If you agree, why did you say:
...and for the sake of the mission he would have been better to leave the esoteric in the closet, At least for now.
In reply to your one liner I will tell you.
When you teach a child to read, you do not give him the works of William Shakespear to cut his teeth on.
You firstly teach him the alphabet, then you introduce that child to Dick and Jane books. After a couple of years later their comprehension level will have increased sufficiently to allow them to read Shakespear. But they will not understand it. Even when that child reaches adulthood it still may not understand Shakespear even though you have given him all the tools to do so. Such is education.
Millions upon millions of people are still at the Alphabet end of this subject matter. The " Esoteric" will only slow their progress and cause hostility.
Now heres one for you.
You say, and I quote.
"Has nothing to do with religion, but a universal peace understanding. I find perfectly normal to present various level of this research field, based on the level of consciousness of the audience".
Has nothing to do with religion. Are you kidding me?
Can you imagine the response your going to get from Muslim fundamentalists when you tell them to sit in circle and recite Buddhist mantras so that we can beam the mother ships in ?
Christian Fundamentalists will already tell you UFO's are the work of the Devil.
But no it has nothing to do with religion.
Or, in your mindset, are these people not worthy of being saved?
Please elaborate.
Originally posted by Seeker PI
You say, and I quote.
"Has nothing to do with religion, but a universal peace understanding. I find perfectly normal to present various level of this research field, based on the level of consciousness of the audience".
Has nothing to do with religion. Are you kidding me?
Originally posted by vladmir
When he says, "It has nothing to do with religion" he is right........it has to do with spirituality, NOT any particular religious beliefs.
Whats the difference?
Spirituality is one's character or quality that makes one transcend the barriers of worldliness, caste, creed and sex, and realize one's connection with the Universe.
It makes no difference if you go to a Temple, a Church or a Mosque, the brotherhood of life is universal, the web of life on Earth is a reality.
The emotions and values of Love, reverence of life, light and peace to all beings are universal.
And this has ALWAYS been the reality of things, it is no dreamy concept.
It is nothing to be scoffed at or laughed at.
It is not imagination, but a fact.
But just as the concept of aliens has been riduculed, so has this by calling it 'new-age' or whatever.
Its just that now, the time to actualise the potential has reached, and the new seed is about to sprout.
Thats why, when we talk about a conciousness shift, this is exactly what is meant.
Old binding belief systems are shed conciously, to adopt modern set of values of harmony and reverence of nature and life.
And those who dont or cant raise their understanding to this level...........it remains to be seen what is the outcome. War? I dont know.
Thats what its all about.
And thats what our Earth is gearing up for.
And it IS going to happen, because it has already begun.
[edit on 12-3-2007 by vladmir]
Originally post by tock
He doesn't speak what you want to hear, what would make you feel alright or better about yourself.
Originally posted by Seeker PI
Originally posted by tock
If you agree, why did you say:
...and for the sake of the mission he would have been better to leave the esoteric in the closet, At least for now.
In reply to your one liner I will tell you.
When you teach a child to read, you do not give him the works of William Shakespear to cut his teeth on.
You firstly teach him the alphabet, then you introduce that child to Dick and Jane books. After a couple of years later their comprehension level will have increased sufficiently to allow them to read Shakespear. But they will not understand it. Even when that child reaches adulthood it still may not understand Shakespear even though you have given him all the tools to do so. Such is education.
Millions upon millions of people are still at the Alphabet end of this subject matter. The " Esoteric" will only slow their progress and cause hostility.
Now heres one for you.
You say, and I quote.
"Has nothing to do with religion, but a universal peace understanding. I find perfectly normal to present various level of this research field, based on the level of consciousness of the audience".
Has nothing to do with religion. Are you kidding me?
Can you imagine the response your going to get from Muslim fundamentalists when you tell them to sit in circle and recite Buddhist mantras so that we can beam the mother ships in ?
Christian Fundamentalists will already tell you UFO's are the work of the Devil.
But no it has nothing to do with religion.
Or, in your mindset, are these people not worthy of being saved?
Please elaborate.