Papoose Lake- Setting the record straight!

Originally posted by Cobra1982

Deny John Lear.

Good morning Cobra1982 and thank you for your post. I was wondering if you could elaborate on the statement above?

Are you asking the forum to deny my existence, or is this just a reference to some of my thoughts? If its a reference to my thoughts I am wondering if it means ALL of my thoughts or just those about the Lockheed F-104?

I would be delighted to respond to your post but without more specifics I am somewhat limited in my options. Thanks again for the post.

Originally posted by Ghost01
They came across no heavy security, and saw no secret saucer bases. There was nothing there. It was just a dry lake bed.

Tim

You don't think that whenever they let them go across and believe you me they knew they were coming whether and hour or more before and it being a "SECRET BASE" (if there is such thing) do you not think that they would not have a way of covering up where they were ? It had to be below ground in the first place ... and the biggest thing I am seeing here is they did not come across .... "HEAVY" security ... of course What is Heavy security used for ... ONLY to protect .... Not to Guard something that is not suppose to be there .... Anyways ... just found that ... interesting .. Why would they find any kinda security at all ????

Originally posted by johnlear
Are you asking the forum to deny my existence, or is this just a reference to some of my thoughts? If its a reference to my thoughts I am wondering if it means ALL of my thoughts or just those about the Lockheed F-104?

Probably more like "ALL of your thoughts except those about the F-104" !

Regards
yf

Originally posted by johnlear
Are you asking the forum to deny my existence, ...

Hmm ... thinking about it ... the idea that many years ago They[tm] have replaced the "real" John Lear with an experimental A.I. would actually explain quite a lot ! I guess that at first they simply wanted to debug the A.I.'s logic circuits, but eventually decided to save the money for the effort when they realized that their product could actually get away even with mind-bogglingly large amounts of ... err ... *trying to avoid the language police* ... far-fetched nonsense .

Regards
yf

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon

Originally posted by Ghost01
They came across no heavy security, and saw no secret saucer bases. There was nothing there. It was just a dry lake bed.


Tim

You don't think that whenever they let them go across and believe you me they knew they were coming whether and hour or more before and it being a "SECRET BASE" (if there is such thing) do you not think that they would not have a way of covering up where they were ? It had to be below ground in the first place ... and the biggest thing I am seeing here is they did not come across .... "HEAVY" security ... of course What is Heavy security used for ... ONLY to protect .... Not to Guard something that is not suppose to be there .... Anyways ... just found that ... interesting .. Why would they find any kinda security at all ????

Exactly! They might scatter a few guards around the area to be on look out but even that is not necessary! High tech sensors and cameras that are manned/observed from a remote location work just as well and don't allow for any clues!

At a secret facility the last thing you need are clues!

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Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Exactly! They might scatter a few guards around the area to be on look out but even that is not necessary! High tech sensors and cameras that are manned/observed from a remote location work just as well and don't allow for any clues!

If Papoose Lake had these things, I'd agree with you, but it doesn't. Papoose has no security at all:

NO Cameras
NO Gurads
NO Motion Sensors
No FLIR Devices

No Anything! Anyone could walk across the Lake Bed and the military wouldn't know. The problem is there is nothing there. I could sit there with a camera and they might never know.

Tim

Originally posted by Ghost01

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Exactly! They might scatter a few guards around the area to be on look out but even that is not necessary! High tech sensors and cameras that are manned/observed from a remote location work just as well and don't allow for any clues!

I would not agree completely to that. I think there is surveillance equipment
around the groom lake facility in all directions. Also the "normal" military
personell have no access to the base, so they also have to keep them away.

Originally posted by Ghost01
Papoose has no security at all:

NO Cameras
NO Gurads
NO Motion Sensors
No FLIR Devices

No Anything!

Tim could you please post your evidence for the above statement? Thanks.

Here John,

This is a whole Website full of proof:
Papoose Lake

I aslo found this map shwing that Papoose in no different from any other streach of desert in the Nevada Test Site:



If Papoose had a secret facility, it shouldn't be open to Anyone who can enter the Nevada Test Site.

In the Security Manual for Nellis Range (common Refered to as the Cammo Dude Manual, there is NO refrence to a secure area around Papoose Lake, or a Code Name for the area. If the area had anything even REMOTELY Secret, the security personnel for Nellis range should be aware of it.

Here's A quote from UFOMind.com:

One of the more imaginative protest groups was Greenpeace. Not content to simply step across the line near the Mercury entrance, they organized and pulled off forays deep into the NTS. For one of these excursions, they decided to send a small party into the NTS on a multi-day trip from the east side, to come in the back way, so to speak. The group left from the National Desert Wildlife Range and proceeded northwest to the Test Site. In doing so, they crossed Papoose Lake itself. They came across no heavy security, and saw no secret saucer bases. There was nothing there

The area around the Papoose Lake lack access roads! This would make it tougher for security to intercept someone trying to penetrate the area. Are you Aware that if you look at a map, Papoose in sitting in the middle of the Desert National Wildlife Range? With wild animals constanatly passing throught the area, any security sensors (if they existed) would be constantly set of by chyotoes and other desert animals wandering through the area.

Does a secret base with NO Security make any sense to you?

Those are the quick Examples.

Next, there's you old Friend Bob Lazar:

Educatuion Background- Where is his proof tha he ever went to college?

I know government conspiracy! However, why didn't he keep a copy of his College Degree? Surely Bob had a copy of his own. Why hasn't he ever shown it to anyone?

Then there is Caltech degree in "Electronic Technology", a degree which the school doesn't offer.

What was his Master's Theisis about? doesn't he have a copy of it?

Dose he have any graduation Photos? How did he Major in a Program the school doesn't even have?

Then there's the time Bob got Arrested at Area 51 or S-4 (not sure which). He was up there with friends watching a secret test. Why did they Arrest him and then let him go? Surely, if he was in violation of security rules, and they knew him. They could have Easily Put him in jail just for Being There!

Why didn't they?

Here you are, I leave you to answer these question. Maybe they will shead some light in this mystery!

Tim

Originally posted by Ghost01

Here you are, I leave you to answer these question. Maybe they will shead some light in this mystery!

Tim

As I mentioned in my U2U Tim, I felt your remarks were insulting and gratitious. So, as I explained in my U2U I will not be responding to any more of your questions or inquiries. Thanks anyway.

Fine! Go ahead and run off!

I've had it with you looking down on people. I really though you were a better person. I'm sorry you Proved me WRONG!

Tim

If they have doors built into the side of Papoose Mountain that really are sand texture coated, you won't see them on a crappy satellite image silly!

Research or no research, I bet you know about as much as anyone else who hasn't been any where near that place if there really is a secret facility there or not.

Originally posted by classified material
If they have doors built into the side of Papoose Mountain that really are sand texture coated, you won't see them on a crappy satellite image silly!

Well made Point!

I agree, if the camoflaging is as good as they say, you shouldn't be able to find it with a sattelite!

I started with that as the asumption for my post. When I did my "Fact-Finding" I looked for other evidence of a secret base. Bob Lazar claims that at really close range, you could spot the doors. Using that as my guide, I went looking for proof that the Air Force has made an effort to keep people away from the Area. This is where I found the contrdicting information. Papoose Lake is not RESTRICTED!

Without an Area Restriction, you can enter the general area and make a closer inspection (See my comment about the Green Peace Proteters who crossed Papoose Lake).

Camoflage makes things Harder to see, but not invisible! The fact that the military makes no special effort to keep people away, suggests that they aren't trying to hide anything there!

Thank you for your thoughtful post! It gave me a chance to defend my assessment of things!

Tim

Okay, here's an easy understanding of why S-4 dosen't exist.

First of all, S-4 only exists because of Bob Lazar. No Bob Lazar, no S-4. Bob is the only available source of evidence that is linked to S-4. Any good researcher, reporter, or what-have-you, always checks the credibility of their sources before validating a claim. Mr. Lazar lacks about 99% credibility. He is anything, but a scientist or a physicist. He graduated from the bottom third of his high school class and has no proof he graduated from MIT or CIT. He can't even name his professors at either college. That's just a little about Bob Lazar.

S-4, is just Bob Lazar's fantasy.

I read somewhere about Bob being arrested last year. Is that true.

Originally posted by Cobra1982
S-4, is just Bob Lazar's fantasy.

Don't forget Ban Burisch. Its Dans fantasy too! Dan has described S-4 exactly like Bob did. Do you think they were in cahoots?

Hey John,

Who's Dan? Would like to hear about his time spent out at S-4. Any links you can send me to or good threads?

About the camo doors. Can't a cheap thermal camera easily spot the temp difference between the hanger doors and surrounding mountain? I guess it depends on the range of the thermal cam. Are good ones capable of seeing the heat difference on the side of a mountain from a mile away. I'm asking cause I don't know.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
Hey John,

Who's Dan? Would like to hear about his time spent out at S-4. Any links you can send me to or good threads?

Google or use your favorite search engine for Dan Burisch.

About the camo doors. Can't a cheap thermal camera easily spot the temp difference between the hanger doors and surrounding mountain? I guess it depends on the range of the thermal cam. Are good ones capable of seeing the heat difference on the side of a mountain from a mile away. I'm asking cause I don't know.

I don't know anything about this.

googling now.

About the Thermal Cam question...fair enough. I don't know either.

John, I saw you mention those domes on one of these threads. cant seem for the life of me to find that post now. seems like those were supposedly somewhere near S4 if I remember correctly? anyway, I was watching the show Wings Over The World on the Military channel today. this particular episode was on precision guided bombs. about halfway in as it cut to a commercial the is footage of a bomb camera heading right into the door of a dome fitting the description you gave. this one may have been a little larger as it seemed large enough to be a hangar for a smaller aircraft. it had a door that opened up & back, into the dome. the footage supposedly came from Iraq. this single moment justified the extra expense of DVR! I noticed theres a USB port on the front of this receiver, anyone have a clue about transferring from the DVR to my laptop?

I apologize if this thread was inappropriate for this post. just thought you guys might want to check that out. I will look through the guide & see if I can get an exact title for this episode.

btw John, I applaud your effort to keep things civil. heck some of the comments folks on these boards post towards you make ME have to walk away for a few minutes! as a friend once told me, when dealing with a-holes kill them with kindness.

edit: sorry I was wrong. the show is called Gun Camera & the episode title is Fixed Targets.

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Actually, when a serious question is asked, and a point is inquired upon ;
the person queried should respond, or say "no comment". Not belittle
the person asking.

John has been PB'ed for this once. Seems he hasn't learned anything
about respect for the others here, that he wants for himself.

Tim, I'm with ya, bro. Keep on, keepin' on !

Lex