O'Hare Airport UFO Sighting -- UPDATE: Photos & Analysis, page 65


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reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 01:08 PM by jritzmann
I can dig it Springer...thats less work me and David have to do.

What gets me about that shot (2) is how it fell in line with line of sight with the gate (A20) where American seems to fly out of. Damn man, if they guy pulled that shot out of the air he deserves the Bob Ross "Happy Accident" award. If not, he did his homework.

It just goes to show, that this stuff cant be rushed because people want an answer. The first photo still intrigues me, and I'll say it again, being the person to find "congested" and post it's dissolve...I really thought I was onto something. But there's too much other stuff we cant ascribe to going father then the ocular distortion...and it's still there...we cant ignore it.

That, and after speaking to an eyewitness last night who confirmed my placement of the UFO on the overlay map, gave me the statement that she didnt think shot 2 looked like what she saw, but when she saw shot 1..she said the words I've heard from witnesses seeing a photo of their event: "thats IT."

I'll add that she also gave us some info that will immediately will give us an advantage against shots like #2, (if more come) which I wont reveal to give hoaxers the edge over us. If people have a legitimate shot of the sighting, they should feel good about submitting it to us knowing we'll moreover recognize certain aspects the actual event.

Onward...

EDIT-just so everyone knows, I'm taking down a few images off my webspace used to show some shots here to make room for new ones. If ya see some images no longer there, thats why.

[edit on 27-1-2007 by jritzmann]


reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 02:44 PM by Atomic
Peter Davenport responds on pictures this morning January 27th:

www.virtuallystrange.net...

The photos that have come forward almost certainly have nothing
to do with the original sighting over O'Hare. One of the
witnesses has looked at them, and declared that neither looks
anything like the object he witnessed on November 07. I allow
for the possibility that they may be part of a disinformation
ploy.



Now that's just one eyewitness's opinion, others may differ, but Peter Davenport is the guy that got this all started.


reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 02:53 PM by bergle
Isnt it about time you armchair and professional guys realized the futility of your debating all te pics?
If one were to ask me, (which i dont expect they will but)..........
I say why dont we concentrate on trying to get some official confirmation of some kind......?ie.airport or airtraffic logs from the tower.....
Some kind of FAA statement,at least their acknowledgement....
Lobby the airline that is in question to allow their employees to speak up...
Perhaps requests from myriad private emails...
Get some help recruited from the local area to dig into this from all other angles....police reports are possible....
Hopefully, as publicity increases over the incident, other testimony...
How about passenger lists?are they public?
Airport security logs....
Withnesses witnesses!
The picture debate has its place, but is not the only angle of approach available.....
How about Mufon in the Chicago area?Other interested groups??
We need numbers to get this sorted out.....
But most of all we need those who saw, to come forward and Tell....
Aside from the happenings, does it apear to anyone else that we are
getting a large dose of mass sightings lately that are adding up to a realization that cannot be denied by the powers that be.??
Almost as if, tired of waitng for disclosier by those in power,the ETs or whatever, are making the attempt to get the public to acknowledge their existance through these sightings,Which seem to be be coming thick and fast over the whole world !!!
As if they were trying to short circuit those who would be keeping the lid on??
Or is that for another thread?


reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 05:22 PM by John Scheldroup
Washington Dulles International Airport located in Dulles, Virginia.

www.weatherbook.com...
October 7, 2003: A hole in the clouds appears near Dulles Airport.
Photo Credit: Kevin Ambrose





reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 05:28 PM by jritzmann
Regarding issues some people have with the comparison of my found photo "congestion", and the first OHare UFO shot:

Firstly, I'd have saved a few days of no sleep, a bottle of Visine, and a lot of aggravation had I just jumped to the conclusion that congestion is directly related to UFO shot 1. I'd have also gotten some pretty good accolades I think for it's discovery and link to the UFO shot.

My problem is I don't give a crap about accolades, I just wanna know what the deal is. Pressure one way or the other from public opinion isn't going to effect me one way or the other. But to explain a bit about the differences, so it's more defined as to why David and I have been up with this image for the past...how many hours?...here's a bit of a visual.

Below is an overlay, the first I presented, showing the transformation of "congested", which we'll refer to as "Cgd" from here on out, and the UFO photo. I have however added some circles that point out some evidence that we are likely not looking at the same shot.


(image updated on 1/28/2007)

Before I get to their explanation, I want everyone to note the overall shot. I have paused longer on the UFO shot, and sped up the dissolve to give you a better view. It'll loops so you can stare at the individual photo, or it's referred to areas.

The overall UFO shot, in comparison with Cgd:
Note that the runway turn seems to line up fairly well. Between Cgd and the UFO shot, we see very little movement in this stationary point. This was my guide for aligning the 2 together, and it was also my rotation point. If that point lines up so perfectly,
then why as we progress further right, do things seem to "swell", and shift...and do so with gradual progression.

It's ocular distortion. The UFO image, seems to swell and level towards us as opposed to the Cgd shot. It seems to get worse as we move right. At the right end, we barely match up...and forget being as definitive as the runway turn. The entire UFO shot seems to compress inward progressively. One would have to stretch out the length, and even then you couldn't make everything maintain it's every matching stationary point.

This indicates to David and I that we are not looking at a photo from the same camera, but rather a close proximity of location in shooting. The properties are just too far removed in an overall sense.

Now ok, lets walk from that aspect. Lets look at the circled areas, which remain on top during the cross fade.

A - Within the circle you'll see a small warm light beige color that exists in the UFO shot, but not in Cgd.
B - The most significant area, and David's find, a large orange mark not seen whatsoever in the Cgd shot but only in the UFO one. It
seems to fall directly between the 2 horizon lights from Cgd. It just shouldn't be there.
C - A very small area of warm colored area, again, not seen in the Cgd shot, but only in the UFO shot.
D - Warm brown area seen only in the UFO shot.
E - Small red area seen only in UFO shot.
F - 2 semi-white spots seen only in the UFO shot.

Some of these are rather "in your face" and some are not. But they are there, and I'd say if you look hard enough and adjust your monitor you'll see them. "B" will no doubt jump out at you.

If you'll also take note of the "billboard" seen over what we were calling the "train" you'll note that it seems to compress to the left...scrunch in that direction if you like.

So in essence, there's enough difference in a lot of ways. IF this were exactly the same shot, I'd expect to see items overlay to the letter. They do not. In addition there are small objects not seen in the Cgd shot, but only in the UFO one.

These small changes (or notable ones such as "B")...just think about it. IF this was faked, throwing the ocular distortion out, why would anyone insert these minute changes? It seems way over the top, and again, how far is someone willing to go? To that end, why put them in at all?

David and I also have put time in looking for evidence of cloning out the landing lights of Cgd vs the sky on the UFO shot. We're not seeing cloned areas, nor evidence of it. I had said that the sky in the UFO shot seemed too finely and evenly gradated to me, in that could someone have alpha channel masked out the skyline and composited a new sky in. Seems totally possible to me. That way the hoaxer would eliminate any evidence of cloning over the lights with sky.

After looking at the sky in Lab mode, and examining and auto adjusting levels in the B channel, we see a better view of the subtle dark and lights of the gradation, which shows there's NOT the uniformity of a computer gradation. So an added sky was out.



There is more, however I think this best illustrates the aspects of difference in both shots. Some are pronounced, like the distortion, and some of the circled areas, and some are so subtle it's ridiculous.

It becomes a question of odds. We only have a limited number of pixels, and what we can see. This is some of the differences we see, which tells us we're not looking at the same photo. If they were put in, why. Why the smallest details, the most nearly undetectable shades and colors. I have to go with the odds and say someone is not going to go to that length...to me and speaking only for me, it's stupid and makes no sense in the grand scheme of trying to fake it. That orange blob in circled area "B", does nothing to convince anyone that's a real UFO. It has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Don't forget, IF the assumption of fake is made, then the hoaxer wouldn't expect us to find his Holy Grail of the congested photo.

So at this point David and I don't believe we're looking at the same shot and these are only some of the reasons. I hope it puts to bed some of the questions regarding both.


[edit on 28-1-2007 by SkepticOverlord]


reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 06:27 PM by fooffstarr
Originally posted by John Scheldroup
Washington Dulles International Airport located in Dulles, Virginia.

www.weatherbook.com...
October 7, 2003: A hole in the clouds appears near Dulles Airport.
Photo Credit: Kevin Ambrose


This post seems to have been ignored a bit, but i find it fascinating.

Eyewitness, did the hole in the clouds over O'Hare look like this?

Maybe the O'Hare incident wasn't the first time this has happened. Just the first time someone has noticed.

[edit on 27-1-2007 by fooffstarr]


reply posted on 27-1-2007 @ 06:43 PM by bergle
Counter to your impression, and totally erroneous conclusion, i have read the whole damn thread!
I see that there are so many asides and unnessessary posts i had to speak up.
I am no photoshop guru,and take ALL ufo photos wiyth a grain of salt because i have absolutely no way to check em.By the look of the controversey niether do the experts who keep giving opinions on the forum with the conjoined reminder that they could be wrong......
Right or wrong, the incident is witnessed by at least two credible sounding persons.
See this thread.....
What i am trying to state here is that all this BS about whether they are fakes or not, do not ruin the witness credibility.
It IS the witnesses who have provided much needed credbility to the whole story.
Especially ones who are willing to provide their credentials to the mods.
What i am calling for is a little harder than armchair debunking a photo(no offense to the debunkers,also nessessary)and requires active and willing chicago area people as well as those of us able to command inside sources and outside ones.To put some time and effort to communicate with the people who may be silent witnesses up to this point.
I see this incident as an opportunity to work more proactively together on a subject which shows rich promise of forcing the govt to open up its secrecy vaults to us.
Rather than investigate this incident over the net by debunking photos,
organise to investigate this at all possible junctures within the parameters of our means to do so.
I other words, if you can and will.get down to Ohare and start asking around, taking statements and names....
E mail anyone you know was travelling through on that date...
actually co-operatively get involved in tracking down witnesses and even more photos for the debunker squad who are doing such a good job to date....Get on other forums and seek co=operation and info pooling ...
Otherwise this inquiry is bound to be too shallow and it will also be well capable of being discounted and ridiculed....
More work is what im suggesting, and more input from those who really have some.
It is a call for us to rise up to the occaision and the responsibility which we hold like it or not.Because there are few indeed who even follow these things out there,most willing to let others do the thinking and the legwork.,
If you want disclosier then you have to be willing to struggle to get it!
It will not come voluntarily, this we know.....so we have to squeeze it out by applying the required pressure...this being common knowledge beyond doubt that ET is here.
I deas anyone, or is this another thread?really bud, no disrespect.......but is there something we can actually do about it besides and in adjunct to,this endless debate?
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