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Originally posted by Spores From Space
I know that their are some Rosicrucians here somewhere,,,, doesn't the floor directly under the altar in the Grand Temple in Amorcs Rosicucian Park in San Jose California have a black and white diamond pattern that resembles a chessboard?
Originally posted by Spores From Space
Originally posted by Spores From Space
I know that their are some Rosicrucians here somewhere,,,, doesn't the floor directly under the altar in the Grand Temple in Amorcs Rosicucian Park in San Jose California have a black and white diamond pattern that resembles a chessboard?
I am quoting myself because I really would like an answer to this question
Originally posted by GIGANTIC SKY OTTER
So, we have now established here a meaning behind this colour contrasted patterning.
Would any knowledgeable person care to shed a little more light on that meaning? How do these opposites work? What is good, and what is evil? Who is good, and who is bad?
Please define, or further explain.
Originally posted by pepsi78
... there are alot of masonic simbols that incorporate the white and black squares, it must be a tradition, traditions have meanings.
The Black Stone of Kaaba or Mecca is called, in Arabic, Al-hajar Al-aswad. The word Kaaba - Ka'ba - Ka'bah - means Cube.
The Ka'bah at Mecca describes the shape of the black stone structure on a marble base which stands in the centre court of the Great Mosque, Masjidul Haram, at the centre of Mecca. It stands about 50 feet high by about 35 feet wide. Set into the eastern corner is the sacred stone. This Ka'ba is a cubed shaped temple rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ishmael.
This represents metaphors for - In the Box - Qabbalah - the Tree of Life - Creation - Consciousness now evolving out of the box in the alchemy of time when matter [white] and antimatter [black, void] meet at Zero Point. As a cornerstone - we go to masons - free masons and reality as a masonic [mother/sound] program.
The Black Stone's Origin
There are also various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.
Secular historians point to the history of stone worship, and especially meteorite worship, in pre-Islamic Arabia, and say that it is likely that the Stone is a meteorite.
There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism.
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
I suspect that most masons don't have a clue about the esoteric meanings of most of the things in thier lodge. A tradition without understanding is just that a tradition. Everyone just does what the last guy did and they don't ask questions. Pretty soon no one knows what it means and the meaning is lost.
The meaning of all symbols used in masonry are well documented within the Craft.
Originally posted by The Dark Lord
The meaning of all symbols used in masonry are well documented within the Craft.
It would seem to me that as the origins of the order are not known beyond the mid 1600\'s, the origins and meanings of the symbols could not be known possitivly.
What they have come to mean since 1717 is a bit more solidly based.
Originally posted by The Dark Lord
The meaning of all symbols used in masonry are well documented within the Craft.
It would seem to me that as the origins of the order are not known beyond the mid 1600\'s, the origins and meanings of the symbols could not be known possitivly.
What they have come to mean since 1717 is a bit more solidly based.
For instance there are some who believe that the Masonic chekerboard is a rememberance of the Templar Beauceant battle flag, which symbolized their (The Templars) movement from the world of sin to their \"pure state\" in service.
At this point in time we are probably more likely to discover \"Who Killed Kennedy\"
or \" What really happened to Marilyn or Janis\" than we are the to find the real roots
and associations of the Freemasonic Order.
Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Is it possible that there are actually two orders in masonry?
THe known order, which is not so hidden, which traces it's roots back to 1717.
And the unknown order, which is not known, which traces it's roots back many thousands of years prior.
Thus the known order could be dealing with esoteric knowledge that they do not trully understand.
Is it possible that there are actually two orders in masonry?
THe known order, which is not so hidden, which traces it\'s roots back to 1717.
And the unknown order, which is not known, which traces it\'s roots back many thousands of years prior.
Thus the known order could be dealing with esoteric knowledge that they do not trully understand.
Originally posted by In nothing we trust
I wonder if this could actually be part the meaning of the black and white squares. How far back does masonry trace it's origins?
Originally posted by The Dark Lord
Perhaps the modern brotherhood simply has no \"institutional memory\" of its former self? even if it did proof would be difficult and beyond histriocity what would be gained? a Set of morals and values? They already have these and practise them quite well.
Perhaps as had been said of many of the Quests of Life, It is the Journey not the Destination that counts.
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
I know why they created the ying/yang symbol but why the chessboard?
I sometimes wonder wether the importance of freemasonry\'s past with respect to its current activities is overstated by those who are desperate to find something wrong with an organization that is (to all intents and purposes) a force for Good, a condition that is unacceptable to their perception of reality.
Originally posted by Pictnation
I'm a Freemason, belonging to The Grand Lodge of Antient Free and Accepted
Because speculative freemasonry started out as a purely Christian organization