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I can't believe you still don't understand the house thing..
YOU ARE ADDICTED TO YOUR PAST, To memories.. so is everyone around you..
So why would we worry about WHAT we're addicted to, instead of ADDICTION.
All of those reasons why your house is your house is due to experience.. memory..
Originally posted by UnrealZA
Are you serious here? I mean how on earth can you read that passage....oh wait, yeah you don't read the Scriptures within their context. Sorry bout that.
Also, if this passage were describing "free will" does it then mean that Adam and Eve had no free will for this incident in Deut. 11:26 has taken place hundreds of years AFTER Adam.
So again, this passage has nothing at all to do with God granting man "free will".
Yet I know the reply....."This passage is describing that the people did have a choice, also known as "free will" in that they could either listen to God and be blessed or disobey Him and be cursed!"
Sure, they could either obey or disobey and we would see that as free will BUT what this does not take into account or acknowledge is that God ALREADY KNEW what their choice would be for He predestined it.
God is not just 50% Sovereign but rather 100% Sovereign over all His Creation, if not He would not be God. He is Absolutely Sovereign.
Originally posted by UnrealZA
I can't believe you are equating "addiction" with "memory". I have childhood memories and in your dictionary I'm addicted to my childhood?
What are you addicted to? Did you remember your breakfast?:shk:
Originally posted by UnrealZA
I can't believe you still don't understand the house thing..
YOU ARE ADDICTED TO YOUR PAST, To memories.. so is everyone around you..
So why would we worry about WHAT we're addicted to, instead of ADDICTION.
All of those reasons why your house is your house is due to experience.. memory..
I can't believe you are equating "addiction" with "memory". I have childhood memories and in your dictionary I'm addicted to my childhood?
What are you addicted to? Did you remember your breakfast?:shk:
Free will: choose the commandments or choose your own way
Clear enough to support it as being a choice....
Free will comes with consequences.
No will comes with nothing.
Regardless of whether or not man is free, is man "expected or obliged to account" for his actions to God? Yes, because Scripture says, "For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil" (Ecclesiastes 12:14). God will reward the righteous and punish the wicked; therefore, man is responsible. What seems to so many as an "irreconcilable conflict" is hereby resolved.
Man is responsible precisely because God is sovereign, since to be responsible means
nothing more than being held accountable to one's actions, that one will be rewarded or punished according to a given standard of right and wrong. It has everything to do with whether God has decreed a final judgment, and whether he has the power and authority to enforce such a decree, but it does not depend on any "free will" in man. In fact, since human responsibility depends on divine sovereignty, and since divine sovereignty indeed contradicts human freedom (not human responsibility), this means that man is responsible precisely because man is not free.
Originally posted by UnrealZAqueenanie you have missed the point and also because you have you deny God His Absolute Sovereignty.
Gods election of those whom He saves is not based on my faith to choose Him nor any good works in me for there is no good in the unbeliever. God saves His elect based on His own desires and will.
So while it may "seem" like a choice it is truly not for God not only foreknows the choice but is also the director of that choice.
The conflict comes down to, what you and others may hold to, is do we possess "human freedom" in light of Scripture or do we rather possess "human responsibility" in light of Scripture?
Scripture no where affirms human freedom, especially knowing that God is in Absolute control and is also Absolutely Sovereign over all creation.
We do though have a "responsibility" to God in the sense that we must answer for our deeds. To have "human responsibility" means that we are to answer to one in authority and in this case our responsibility is to answer to the Ultimate Authority.
As one theologian explains it.....
Yes, God has a plan for our lives, but we have the free-will not to walk in it. It was my choice to ask Jesus into my heart, it wasn't forced on me. Ok, God brought me to the point of salvation through a number of circumstances, but I could have said 'no' and went on my way.
Originally posted by shihulud
Just out of curiosity,
What is the Non-theological view of sin???
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