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posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA

Originally posted by queenannie38
But the reality is: God no longer measures our sins; He 'remembers them no more.'

So we need to let the idea go, too and just love one another without fear and the anxiety that comes from the naggy thoughts of sin - what is it - did I do it...etc.

God bless you!


The reality is that your statement is in error. Your no better than Satan telling Eve she won't die.

So God no longer remembers our sin? From what Scripture did you twist that out of? Oh I forgot, you don't need Scripture....cept the ones you can butcher.


sorry, gotta back the queen up here..

HEBREWS 8:10
[8:10] For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my
laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I
will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[8:11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all
shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [8:12] For I
will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and
their iniquities will I remember no more.
[8:13] In that he
saith, A new [covenant,] he hath made the first old. Now
that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish
away.

HEBREWS 10:10
[10:10] By the which will we are sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all. ][10:11]
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering
oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away
sins: [10:12] But this man, after he had offered one
sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of
God; [10:13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be
made his footstool. [10:14] For by one offering he hath
perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [10:15]
[Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after
that he had said before, [10:16] This [is] the covenant that I
will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will
put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write
them; [10:17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember
no more
. [10:18] Now where remission of these [is, there
is] no more offering for sin.




posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Christ died for us all - as a redemption for our sins...

Oh, and jesus sure as heck didn't think kids were born with origional sin... as he had strong ideas about their status and protectiveness towards them...


I'm not having a dig at you ragster, far from it, but i think that the concept of origional sin is utter total b#######. Sorry, i really feel extremely strongly about that stupid and ignorant concept .....
If kiddies were such bad sinners, how come jesus again and again issued such protective statements regarding their special status??


Tell me then, please, just when does one become a "sinner"?

At a certain age? When the do something "wrong" or naughty?



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

Originally posted by UnrealZA

Originally posted by queenannie38
But the reality is: God no longer measures our sins; He 'remembers them no more.'

So we need to let the idea go, too and just love one another without fear and the anxiety that comes from the naggy thoughts of sin - what is it - did I do it...etc.

God bless you!


The reality is that your statement is in error. Your no better than Satan telling Eve she won't die.

So God no longer remembers our sin? From what Scripture did you twist that out of? Oh I forgot, you don't need Scripture....cept the ones you can butcher.


sorry, gotta back the queen up here..

HEBREWS 8:10
[8:10] For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my
laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I
will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[8:11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all
shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [8:12] For I
will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and
their iniquities will I remember no more.
[8:13] In that he
saith, A new [covenant,] he hath made the first old. Now
that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish
away.

HEBREWS 10:10
[10:10] By the which will we are sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all. ][10:11]
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering
oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away
sins: [10:12] But this man, after he had offered one
sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of
God; [10:13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be
made his footstool. [10:14] For by one offering he hath
perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [10:15]
[Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after
that he had said before, [10:16] This [is] the covenant that I
will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will
put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write
them; [10:17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember
no more
. [10:18] Now where remission of these [is, there
is] no more offering for sin.




Hey, how about actually reading the passage. The book (Hebrews) is written to SAVED brothers and sisters in Christ so ALL those whom God has called for salvation, These then He shall no longer remember their sin.

This is NOT directed to UNsaved people..only those in Christ. God only makes a covenant with those whom He has saved. The UNsaved have no need for the things which they trample on and call foolish.

Yea I know though....."But everyone is saved, God loves everyone....yadda, yadda, yadda"



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

Originally posted by UnrealZA

Originally posted by queenannie38
But the reality is: God no longer measures our sins; He 'remembers them no more.'

So we need to let the idea go, too and just love one another without fear and the anxiety that comes from the naggy thoughts of sin - what is it - did I do it...etc.

God bless you!


The reality is that your statement is in error. Your no better than Satan telling Eve she won't die.

So God no longer remembers our sin? From what Scripture did you twist that out of? Oh I forgot, you don't need Scripture....cept the ones you can butcher.


sorry, gotta back the queen up here..

HEBREWS 8:10
[8:10] For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my
laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I
will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[8:11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all
shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [8:12] For I
will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and
their iniquities will I remember no more.
[8:13] In that he
saith, A new [covenant,] he hath made the first old. Now
that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish
away.

HEBREWS 10:10
[10:10] By the which will we are sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all. ][10:11]
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering
oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away
sins: [10:12] But this man, after he had offered one
sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of
God; [10:13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be
made his footstool. [10:14] For by one offering he hath
perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [10:15]
[Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after
that he had said before, [10:16] This [is] the covenant that I
will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will
put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write
them; [10:17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember
no more
. [10:18] Now where remission of these [is, there
is] no more offering for sin.




Hey, how about actually reading the passage. The book (Hebrews) is written to SAVED brothers and sisters in Christ so ALL those whom God has called for salvation, These then He shall no longer remember their sin.

This is NOT directed to UNsaved people..only those in Christ. God only makes a covenant with those whom He has saved. The UNsaved have no need for the things which they trample on and call foolish.

Yea I know though....."But everyone is saved, God loves everyone....yadda, yadda, yadda"



Okay... true.. but if GOD wrote all his laws in our minds and hearts, what does that mean to you? ...
and saved IN Christ? ... or an updated version .. saved in the acceptance and understanding of all things..

So are you trampling on my love and calling it foolish? for I have love for all things, and I understand WHY I do.

I believe in the acceptance and understanding of all things.. and I have faith in it, and GOD (humanities thoughts collapsed onto the second)



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA
The Scripture paraphrased states that "all men have sinned" and if Jesus were ONLY man then yes, He would also be a sinner. This though is not what the Hypostatic union means or states.


What is 'hypostatic'?? Another one of them made-up church words?


Evil is a LACK of good and God is the very essence of "good". Fully God and fully man, the "God-Man".


Actually....no. Evil is a lack of LOVE. Just like darkness is a lack of light.

By your hasty claim, you have sorely contradicted yourself and your premise:

If Jesus was God, and God is the very essence of 'good,' then how do you explain what Jesus said?


And he said unto him, Why call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
~Matthew 19:17


Oh yeah, and the commandments?

LOVE

and

FORGIVENESS

just the same as God has for us we must so do unto one another. And that is how we know we are of God - because we have the love of the brethren in our hearts - and need no man to teach us the holy words of truth - God promises AND delivers...

If you seek to serve sin, there is not much I can do about it. I seek to serve God. Therefore I have turned away from sin - all thoughts of sin - in myself as well as in all those around me....all mankind, in my eyes, is without sin.
Why should I want to undo such a generous pardon - for we are to believe upon the saving of the soul - not the fleshly concerns of the body - I do NOT choose to draw back toward perdition when I have already tasted of life (and yes - it DOES grow on goodly trees, ALSO).



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA
The reality is that your statement is in error.


Which reality? Your reality? Whose reality? Please clarify what you mean by 'reality.'



Your no better than Satan telling Eve she won't die.

When did Satan talk to Eve?

The sssserpent ssspoke to Eve, no doubt - and thank you for noticccccing..

But the serpent did not lie - Eve did not die. Adam lied to Eve and the snake made the truth bare and naked before God - proving Adam was jealous and also that the snake was envious of Adam...and Eve was a disloyal wife, no doubt....

BUT read the words carefully:

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.
~Genesis 2:16-18


NOTE: Adam was told ONLY not to eat. Adam was alone when he was told this.

Now, look at chapter 3: suddenly we have Eve telling the snake that they were not to eat OR touch the fruit...who told Eve this? Was it true? Was the warning even meant for Eve (as far as dying from the fruit?)

Eve ate. Eve gave to Adam and he ate. God came by and Adam hid. God asked Eve 'what did you do?'

BECAUSE Eve gave the fruit to Adam - and that meant Adam would die because he ate it. And God cursed them all in their own lot - they all had a third part of what happened that day....envy, deception, and lack of constancy...

But then, right after all that, we read that Adam named his wife Eve - AFTER this incident - because she was the mother of all LIVING. How can a dead woman bring to a live birth? And how come Adam wasn't called the father of all LIVING, too?

The snake did not lie - Eve did not die. But Adam set them all up and the serpent exposed the truth - and paid for it - but the truth is never something that comes without sacrifice....and the snake was 'subtil' - more so than all the rest...the meaning of which is, simply put: 'to make bare.' To reveal....to expose....

And guess what? That woman still lives - as does the snake (seraphim)...but where is Adam? Gon - zales, baby - deception is far more deadly than curiosity.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 03:06 AM
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and what about this WAR?...

What is the ultimate SiN? Being a horrible mathematician? ..

how about WAR or WOR?...
WAR=DEATH and DEATH=Satan/Serpent ..
Why not kill WAR or WOR by ending WOR with the Death of the Serpent...
or rather the equation like this...
Kill(WOR+D+S)
Kill WAR with the death of Satan.
WORDS...
but we confused the equation and wrote it like this... Kill(S+WOR+D)
SWORD.
We put Satan before death
so the equation is wrong, and produces bad results.
even funnier
What happens when you place Death even before WAR and Satan?
you get
DWORS (without satan backwards you get ROWD (could be ROAD?) like ROW'd (slang)
but with Satan at the End you get
DWORS (possibly DOORS???)

[edit on 11/22/2006 by PuRe EnErGy]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 05:32 AM
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Definitely 'the doors.'

Why?

'Break On Through To The Other Side!'

and

'Love Her Madly'

and

of course

'Light my Fire!'



(and the snake is okay - as long as it is rainbow colored and stretched out...even a swatiska is good it is rainbow-colored!)

oh yeah - because Snakes don't lie - at least the ones I know - they are angelic in origin and angels do not lie...

only men lie...but they can't help it, really - because they can't see for their 'sin' (read: skin) and so in lying to themselves without realizing it, they cannot but help to lie to the world.

The trick is the daily bathroom mirror eye to eye conversation...one cannot look into one's own eyes and lie to self....it just won't work - because it is like looking into the eyes of God and trying to lie!

Impossible!

But be sure and give yourself a nice loose lipped smackaroo -in the mirror -before you go - never go away without a little kiss! You just never know if you are going to see yourself again.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
What is the ultimate SiN? Being a horrible mathematician? ..


Now, now, don't go blaming Einstein!


Have you ever seen a snake sword fight? With hissssss sssssword?



trusssssssst me...




posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

Originally posted by UnrealZA

Originally posted by queenannie38
But the reality is: God no longer measures our sins; He 'remembers them no more.'

So we need to let the idea go, too and just love one another without fear and the anxiety that comes from the naggy thoughts of sin - what is it - did I do it...etc.

God bless you!


The reality is that your statement is in error. Your no better than Satan telling Eve she won't die.

So God no longer remembers our sin? From what Scripture did you twist that out of? Oh I forgot, you don't need Scripture....cept the ones you can butcher.


sorry, gotta back the queen up here..

HEBREWS 8:10
[8:10] For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my
laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I
will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[8:11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all
shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [8:12] For I
will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and
their iniquities will I remember no more.
[8:13] In that he
saith, A new [covenant,] he hath made the first old. Now
that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish
away.

HEBREWS 10:10
[10:10] By the which will we are sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all. ][10:11]
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering
oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away
sins: [10:12] But this man, after he had offered one
sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of
God; [10:13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be
made his footstool. [10:14] For by one offering he hath
perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [10:15]
[Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after
that he had said before, [10:16] This [is] the covenant that I
will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will
put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write
them; [10:17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember
no more
. [10:18] Now where remission of these [is, there
is] no more offering for sin.




Don't if this has been replied too as I haven't read the entire thread yet.

Yes, you're correct in your quotes from the Bible, but this is only for people who have repented and asked Christ into their hearts to be their Saviour. As I said earlier in the thread, not everyone makes this leap of faith.

Just noticed UnrealZA covered this. Well, it's always good to have a second opinion...

Edited for spelling

[edit on 22/11/06 by jimboman]

[edit on 22/11/06 by jimboman]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:18 AM
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This a question to Queenannie.

You've obviously read the Bible, but have you studied it? What about getting other peoples views on it, like the early church fathers, such as Luther and Wesley? There's books out there you can get.

Also, do you believe that Christ died for your sins as the ultimate sacrifice?

[edit on 22/11/06 by jimboman]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 10:14 AM
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Good morning, Jimboman!
I hope all is well for you this fine day...

Now, I realize that it is totally possible that you are thinking I have not been asked such questions before...and also very possible that you are challenging (in the benevolent sense of the word, 100%) for the sake of my own soul and guidance - and so I thank you - and also because of that I will answer your questions with complete candor and hopefully, courtesy. I do not wish to offend you, but what I say might, so I'm prefacing accordingly - I truly do not desire strife with anyone, at all - especially over spiritual issues!



You've obviously read the Bible, but have you studied it?

Day in and day out for quite some time now; but the best thing about it is that no matter how much a person studies and wishes to know God's thoughts - it is truly an ever-flowing fountain...


What about getting other peoples views on it, like the early church fathers, such as Luther and Wesley?

Why? Seriously I ask you that - what for? Do they somehow have more privilege than I do - to approach the throne and learn first hand? Their views are their views, and mine are mine. God gives us each our own and that is what makes it special.


There's books out there you can get.


I know. I've got one. It is called 'The Holy Bible.' I have many, actually, but my favorite is small and fits in my purse....the only bible I ever bought for myself...my security blanket, so to speak.


As far as 'early church fathers' are concerned, I have a Father that is far earlier.


'Older than God' as they say.



But be not called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all you are brothers.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer them that are entering to go in.
~Matthew 23:8-13



Also, do you believe that Christ died for your sins as the ultimate sacrifice?


In the way that you are concerned with, yes. Yes, I do. And yet there is so much more to it - it isn't about belief anymore but about remembering and experiencing and many other things I cannot frame with words.

I pray every day that someone will have their eyes opened - the things that the world has waited on are going on ALL around us! Literally God is with us - can't you feel the joy in some? I wish and pray and hope that as many can know it now - in these very first wonderful days that make me want to pinch myself (am I dreaming?) - because although no one will be left out - these first days will not come again...

And all those who wait so fervently for this - yet not looking out in the direction which would have made it all too clear because of listening to men preach and reading their books and not allowing God to have His way...being insidiously fooled into scorning and condemning the very ways which God had chosen to manifest His approach and arrival... (and foretold us that He had)

I have read Bullinger - I like his stuff - he was truly a man after knowing God for the sake of knowing God...
The rest of the majority - I don't know what their true purpose is, but it seems there is a certain place they get to...and then stay - happy and satisfied to wait on something they misunderstand and misinterpret - not only to themselves, but to thousands of people! I cannot put faith in things that are illogical - God is the very root of Logic and Order...turns out faith isn't about believing what the preachers say but about trusting God to guide us through a world that no man, NO MAN, could ever imagine, much less discern independently.

God bless and keep you, Jimboman!



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 10:16 AM
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I am so thoroughly sick of the notion of sin and all its attending social controls. The seven deadly sins are seven deadly defects of character that detract from the enjoyment of life. For instance: Anger in the right measure is a impetus to change, in the wrong measure it's a slow burn on the brain and a destructive force in the world.

I'm quite convinced the hells were largely overemphasized in the middle ages as a means of social control and they continue to be used that way. There is an inertia to every behavior and religious tracts suggest that this inertia may carry over into the after-life. That said, living in fear of one's own desires, instincts and shortcomings does nothing to advance the psychological well-being and does not honestly address the cost of 'sinful' living. It encourages judgement.

On judgement day, if there is to come such a day, God will probably not judge us according to our good and bad deeds. Rather S/He will ascertain how best each can serve God. There will be those who do not want to serve, S/He will say, 'Fine have it your way.' There is no future in complete slavery to one's own wants and needs.

Serve God, all else is slavery.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by clearwater
I am so thoroughly sick of the notion of sin and all its attending social controls.


Thank you!


The seven deadly sins are seven deadly defects of character that detract from the enjoyment of life.

How about:
1 Guilt
2 Shame
3 Regret
4 Judging/comparing
5 Condemning others (to deny self of admitting same)
6 Non constructive criticism
7 Bullying (to deny self of admitting weakness)


On judgement day, if there is to come such a day, God will probably not judge us according to our good and bad deeds. Rather S/He will ascertain how best each can serve God. There will be those who do not want to serve, S/He will say, 'Fine have it your way.' There is no future in complete slavery to one's own wants and needs.

Because of what I have read (in an overwhelming, basically unanimous number) in the accounts of people who have died just for a bit and then were brought back over to this side...God doesn't judge us - not at all! We judge ourselves - in some sort of virtual spiritual reality (screen of our imagination's choice, it seems) wherein we are the OTHER people that we have affected in life - + or - and we get to feel what we made them feel...literally putting their moccasins on!

That is probably the most righteous judgment I could think of (although it wasn't my idea, LOL)

Because even though we do not remember our lives specifically - or even having others, usually - it seems certain that we at least retain the lesson we learn in that little private self-judgment, on a deeper level that our minds can reach...and through reincarnation (it seems totally proven by the NDE's, as well) we truly learn the golden rule...


Serve God, all else is slavery.



Right on! No wonder they call you 'clearwater!'


It is increasingly beyond my understanding how vehemently the idea of reincarnation is condemned by christianity - probably the only religion that ever has shunned the idea! But it is because reincarnation takes the 'sin' oppression out of the picture - as well as the 'free ride.' And yet it puts God in a far more favorable light than the 'you only get one 70 year chance not to burn in torment 4 EVER' theology that so many say is the way of thinking that a merciful God prefers and does not budge from...

When Christ came, He came to show us how to live and treat one another, in order to get out of the never ending karma roulette wheel! If we do not pay back in kind evil deeds done to us, but instead 'over pay' our bills...we will get off the 'merry go round' sooner...'

Hell is literally being doomed to repeat the same ill-producing activities, lifetime after lifetime and never knowing any different life than 'debtor's prison.'

But now there are many who are waking up and they are going to join in with the voices of those of us who have already been preaching love and hippie-heaven's ways...and so it won't be that much longer before you won't have to hear about hell and sin and all that BS anymore!


Sharpen your sword and commence to fightin', clearwater!



Or your holy spirit super soaker flame thrower, if ya got one!



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

Okay... true.. but if GOD wrote all his laws in our minds and hearts, what does that mean to you? ...
and saved IN Christ? ... or an updated version .. saved in the acceptance and understanding of all things..

So are you trampling on my love and calling it foolish? for I have love for all things, and I understand WHY I do.

I believe in the acceptance and understanding of all things.. and I have faith in it, and GOD (humanities thoughts collapsed onto the second)


First, thank you very much for the one part we can come to agreement upon.

Second, God has only written His laws upon the hearts and minds of those whom He has called to be saved from the foundations of the earth. The unbeliever walks in darkness and while they have a knowledge of God they suppress that knowledge, turn from it and turn to other things such as material items, wealth, fame, drugs, flesh and worship the creation rather than the creator. They also make up for themselves false revelations so they can feel better about themselves, special and important.

Lastly, to be "saved in Christ" means that God has called you to be saved from sin. What is that sin? It is the sin that all are guilty of which is unbelief. No one gets saved because they come to the realization all on their own that there is a God, rather God gives us the faith to believe as He calls us.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38


What is 'hypostatic'?? Another one of them made-up church words?

Actually....no. Evil is a lack of LOVE. Just like darkness is a lack of light.

By your hasty claim, you have sorely contradicted yourself and your premise:

If Jesus was God, and God is the very essence of 'good,' then how do you explain what Jesus said?


And he said unto him, Why call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
~Matthew 19:17


Oh yeah, and the commandments?

LOVE

and

FORGIVENESS

just the same as God has for us we must so do unto one another. And that is how we know we are of God - because we have the love of the brethren in our hearts - and need no man to teach us the holy words of truth - God promises AND delivers...

If you seek to serve sin, there is not much I can do about it. I seek to serve God. Therefore I have turned away from sin - all thoughts of sin - in myself as well as in all those around me....all mankind, in my eyes, is without sin.
Why should I want to undo such a generous pardon - for we are to believe upon the saving of the soul - not the fleshly concerns of the body - I do NOT choose to draw back toward perdition when I have already tasted of life (and yes - it DOES grow on goodly trees, ALSO).


You come across as one who is so "know-it-all" yet you have no concept of anything dealing within the realm of Theology. You have a brand of "cafeteria" religion. You take what you like and pass on everything else. You speak fluff, empty words with no substance but yet you love to say things that will please men.

You and I communicate by words, we use words to identify things with such as, "The sunset is giving off a beautiful color of orange and red" By this we have stated or communicated to others that we are observing the sun set and we are describing what colors we see. I would be look at oddly if I stated that the sunset is a beautiful aluminum color, why? Because we know aluminum to be a metal and we associate it more with tinfoil than the color of a sunset. It would be nonsense for a heart sugeon to say to his surgical tech...."Hey hand me that sharp shinny thingy...and that dohickey over there that looks like pliers!" They have names for these instruments and when the surgeon asks for a specific item the tech should then know exactly what he or she wants.

Likewise within Theology words have be used to describe things and events. We use the word "Incarnation" to define God taking on flesh. The word itself means "in flesh". The word or phrase I used, "Hypostatic Union" defines the joining of one nature with another, one nature does not overtake the other but rather they are both equal. It's a dual nature, and in the case of Christ He was 100% God, 100% man.

For you to infer that the word is "another one of them made-up church words" is so ignorant it's ridiculous, mainly because you had to use "made-up" words to refute another "made-up word".

Evil is NOT a lack of love but rather a lack of good. Again you're ignorant. Why do people buy into your spew? Evil is like rust to a car. Without the car the rust cannot exsist, evil is to good like a hole to a shirt. Without the shirt no hole can exsist. A child molester LOVES little boys so what then does this mean using your logic and reasoning?? Does this then mean that his molestation is not evil because he also has love? Ignorance is bliss.

As for Matthew 19:17 it is another passage that speaks of Jesus deity. None are good but God alone was Jesus reply so the ignorant morons use this passage to seek and deny that Jesus was God BUT what they overlook is that Jesus did EVERYTHING "GOOD" for there was no sin in Him and who alone is free of sin?? Well only God is for He alone is GOOD and Perfect. hence what Jesus was stating was more like "Do you understand that God alone is altogether good yet you have called Me good. Do you realize what you are saying?"

Nothing in men is good for they are all evil. Man can do "good" things are deeds but no man is the very essense of good. God is always good and all that He does and decrees is GOOD. When God told Abraham to kill his son it was GOOD for God declared it. When God sent an angel to stop Abraham it was also GOOD for again God declared it as such.

You can continue your esoteric (look that word up, it's also made-up) mumbo jumbo all you like but because you have built your theology on a lie everything coming from that shall also be a lie.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

Okay... true.. but if GOD wrote all his laws in our minds and hearts, what does that mean to you? ...
and saved IN Christ? ... or an updated version .. saved in the acceptance and understanding of all things..

So are you trampling on my love and calling it foolish? for I have love for all things, and I understand WHY I do.

I believe in the acceptance and understanding of all things.. and I have faith in it, and GOD (humanities thoughts collapsed onto the second)


First, thank you very much for the one part we can come to agreement upon.

Second, God has only written His laws upon the hearts and minds of those whom He has called to be saved from the foundations of the earth. The unbeliever walks in darkness and while they have a knowledge of God they suppress that knowledge, turn from it and turn to other things such as material items, wealth, fame, drugs, flesh and worship the creation rather than the creator. They also make up for themselves false revelations so they can feel better about themselves, special and important.

Lastly, to be "saved in Christ" means that God has called you to be saved from sin. What is that sin? It is the sin that all are guilty of which is unbelief. No one gets saved because they come to the realization all on their own that there is a God, rather God gives us the faith to believe as He calls us.


I understand where your coming from.... sorry you don't trust your neighbour ..
but everyone is saved in Christ. its only those who 'ALREADY' have CHRIST but IGNORE it within themselves that are condemned...
EVERYONE has his laws written on their hearts and minds... it is only those who SATAN/IGNORANCE has control over that are condemned.... ...

you are being HIGHLY HIGHLY Cynical...

They also make up for themselves false revelations so they can feel better about themselves, special and important.

and I apologize, but my words do not make me feel special or important.. it makes me frightened to KNOW because now I have NO excuse for my actions.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA


Evil is NOT a lack of love but rather a lack of good. Again you're ignorant. Why do people buy into your spew? Evil is like rust to a car. Without the car the rust cannot exsist, evil is to good like a hole to a shirt. Without the shirt no hole can exsist. A child molester LOVES little boys so what then does this mean using your logic and reasoning?? Does this then mean that his molestation is not evil because he also has love? Ignorance is bliss.



EVIL is NOT a lack of LOVE, everything HAS love... or its body would be rejected not accepted..... it would be understood that the person is a human, and not, not self-aware...

EVIL is IGNORING the best possible action.... It is NOT accepting and NOT understanding, EVIL is IGNORANCE, HATE is IGNORANCE, Ignorance is NOT bliss....

There IS no LACK of GOOD, there is only the IGNORING of what IS GOOD....

You mention a child molester, what a 'touchy' subject.. no pun intended.. hahah

The molester, obviously doesn't accept or understand themselves. Their understanding goes as far as 'knowing' they enjoy sex (which is NOT love)
the molester most likely has had something occur in their life that they don't accept and don't understand themselves.

now the childs part of the dance.

The child DEEP down, KNOWS (because GOD wrote his LAWS on our hearts and MINDS!) that the action is WRONG... BUT BUT BUT... it is NEW for them.. they DO NOT understand WHY its WRONG... perhaps they've been TOLD why its bad, but tangibly didn't see that equation making sense... so they most times don't mention it until they make the equation make sense.. than they 'tell' someone..

That molester DOES NOT have LOVE for the little boy, nor for himself... What the person does have is a problem with the equation they were forced into... so they keep acting out their own horrible equation until it becomes solved.. until it makes sense.. What the molester is trying to do, is LOVE and understand the horrible thing in their past that happened to them .. it doesn't necessarily have to be molestation in the molesters past that causes their molesting..



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
EVIL is NOT a lack of LOVE, everything HAS love... or its body would be rejected not accepted..... it would be understood that the person is a human, and not, not self-aware...


Oh yes! You certainly are saying something in a new way, to me - and it makes so much sense!
Because if there were NO love percieved at all - there would be none of the dysfunctional and damaging methods that people use to try to obtain it - it is elusive - but it IS there..


EVIL is IGNORING the best possible action.... It is NOT accepting and NOT understanding, EVIL is IGNORANCE, HATE is IGNORANCE, Ignorance is NOT bliss....


Indeed.


There IS no LACK of GOOD, there is only the IGNORING of what IS GOOD....


Okay, then - think about this with me, please - let's increase our (MY) understanding LOL and make into standing over....


I have come to an understanding in recent years, about the roots of such things - and how a hole (ignoring the good/love) where there is no reason to dig because it is full and perfect already (specifically the heart of a little child)...

Now, if a child is not nurtured and cared for in a consistently trustworthy environment that fosters autonomy (rather than self-doubt) and trust (rather than mistrust) - depending on the degree of neglect/abuse - there begins to be a void where should not be...and the soul knows there is SOMETHING it needs - but doesn't recognize it because it never saw it!

This hole can get bigger or, by God's good graces through a willing and observant servant (ants again!), that hole might be filled in at some point in time - reversing a disastrous cycle...

And that is why I also know that 'love you neighbor as yourself' is ALWAYS correct and supercedes all other things - including doctrines and theologies schemologies, etc...
Because when those who have holes interact with others who have holes - they cannot help one another. And to fill up a hole with love requires that a person have both willingness and wisdom to realize that it is not something they are going to be rewarded in doing (any time soon)....and to love someone who really has a big gaping hole is a saintly endeavor, no doubt.

Many people are unable to give enough energy - and still maintain their own fullness without somewhere along the way growing tired and giving up....and surely when that happens it is potentially more of a 'robber' than the first one....

does that make sense? And so it is not a child's fault - but if the child grows up and never is loved to health, then surely that is something that is not acceptable...we all must give in order to make things right for those who were not done justly from the start...



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
EVIL is NOT a lack of LOVE, everything HAS love... or its body would be rejected not accepted..... it would be understood that the person is a human, and not, not self-aware...


Oh yes! You certainly are saying something in a new way, to me - and it makes so much sense!
Because if there were NO love percieved at all - there would be none of the dysfunctional and damaging methods that people use to try to obtain it - it is elusive - but it IS there..


EVIL is IGNORING the best possible action.... It is NOT accepting and NOT understanding, EVIL is IGNORANCE, HATE is IGNORANCE, Ignorance is NOT bliss....


Indeed.


There IS no LACK of GOOD, there is only the IGNORING of what IS GOOD....


Okay, then - think about this with me, please - let's increase our (MY) understanding LOL and make into standing over....


I have come to an understanding in recent years, about the roots of such things - and how a hole (ignoring the good/love) where there is no reason to dig because it is full and perfect already (specifically the heart of a little child)...

Now, if a child is not nurtured and cared for in a consistently trustworthy environment that fosters autonomy (rather than self-doubt) and trust (rather than mistrust) - depending on the degree of neglect/abuse - there begins to be a void where should not be...and the soul knows there is SOMETHING it needs - but doesn't recognize it because it never saw it!

This hole can get bigger or, by God's good graces through a willing and observant servant (ants again!), that hole might be filled in at some point in time - reversing a disastrous cycle...

And that is why I also know that 'love you neighbor as yourself' is ALWAYS correct and supercedes all other things - including doctrines and theologies schemologies, etc...
Because when those who have holes interact with others who have holes - they cannot help one another. And to fill up a hole with love requires that a person have both willingness and wisdom to realize that it is not something they are going to be rewarded in doing (any time soon)....and to love someone who really has a big gaping hole is a saintly endeavor, no doubt.

Many people are unable to give enough energy - and still maintain their own fullness without somewhere along the way growing tired and giving up....and surely when that happens it is potentially more of a 'robber' than the first one....

does that make sense? And so it is not a child's fault - but if the child grows up and never is loved to health, then surely that is something that is not acceptable...we all must give in order to make things right for those who were not done justly from the start...


Great great question..
Look at this child that is born... What is it? ... it is Born into SIN, Human nature is animal nature, leave the child with a beast and it will nurture on the beasts teet and will/can survive in SOME conditions where weather is moderate,, etc.. (which is why animals have MORE babies at one time because of the ODDS, its all math) besides that.. the point I'm getting at..
This child is a human, it is an addict, addicted to self-gratification, nutrition, intellect, emotional, etc. etc.. it NEEDS those things, as well as human interaction...
and we promote this way of thinking FOR YEARS AND YEARS unto our own deaths...
no one ever stops along the way and says .. WHOA WHOA Hold UP! You have all the peptides your cells need within your noggin if you just train your brain to produce them and keep your body Healthy... So your thinking can be healthy... Everyone has the laws of God written on their hearts and minds, since we all have some love (which is what Christ is !!! ) lol
so therefore there is no excuse, we just love this worlds GOD for some reason .. (which is ironic, if thats the love we begin with in order to keep us alive, hrm.. hehe silly world. .instead of the GOD within US, healing ailments, walking on water? these and greater things will you do! I believe Jesus did say that people will come and do much greater works than he did... (I'll find the scripture)
There is no such thing as children, when you are no longer a child,... you only see what you perceive to be a child, only they know what a child is, (another child) ..
and that is not a real thing, because you know full well that they are humans.... no different.. so why should a child be shielded from 'the world' ? .. to keep them from themselves? .. a shame! See them as humans and you are greater than they, and you can then begin to know how to teach them to be greater than you, which is every parents real dreams....

Blessed be those who teach a child as they would teach themselves, and I do not mean teach themselves at the age they were when they were young, but teach them as you would teach yourselve RIGHT NOW. You would be surprised at how intelligent children are... for they are truly the children of light.




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