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Originally posted by gekko
Originally posted by Annachie
This is a typical "Bash the man in blue" speech from most people that just do not believe that force should be used for anything...
You got it right. Dead on. Congratulations.
Most of the "Bash the man in blue" people calling for the prosecution of these cops agree that the student was to be blamed for the situation arising in the first place.
If he had been carried outside and chucked in jail overnight no one would have had a problem with it.
Now, why don´t you go and read whats been said before on this thread before you comment further.
[edit on 18/11/06 by gekko]
Originally posted by justgeneric
UCLA order outside probe of incident
Hoping to calm the furor created when UCLA police used a Taser to subdue a student studying in Powell Library, the university's acting chancellor announced Friday that a veteran Los Angeles law enforcement watchdog would head up an independent investigation of the incident.
Originally posted by 2stepsfromtop
Being familiar with the location and the security requirements, under California law if any person refuses to show identification to a Law Enforcement Officer, they can be immediately arrested. According to the local news station, he refused to show identification and refused (at first) to leave. Being a persian in L.A. I can understand the students attitude, most of them are stuck up little rich kids who trample over anyone they think is their lesser. Kid got exactly what he deserved.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Your kidding right?
Your major is in emergency scene managment, or law enforcement? What the heck man you think just because you bow down to someone with a badge you are a good little citizen and everything will be a-ok in child land? You need to grow up and do it fast, because a lot of crazy sh!t is about to hit this country like you wouldnt believe.
I have the authority to be Incident Command, and shut down any portion of the county I reside in. The police then take orders from me. I understand what is happening better than you do son. You have been indoctrinated into being a person that makes an excuse for some mindless coward to risk someones life for nothing.
Your papers please...
[edit on 18-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]
Originally posted by ludaChris
[...] but util then they are innocent no?
Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
Would society be like V for Vendetta, or worse? Would they force everyone to work? What about homeless? Exactly what do they have planned, and what are you being trained for?
Are they going to corral certain citizens for experiments? Would there be any place safe to run to, or is every dangerous.
Long touted as a safer alternative to handguns for law enforcement, tasers are potentially deadly weapons that have a growing history of abuse by police and security guards.
Although the company spins it otherwise, Taser-associated deaths are definitely on the rise. In 2001, Amnesty International documented three Taser-associated deaths. The number has steadily increased each year, peaking at 61 in 2005. So far almost 50 deaths have occurred in 2006, for an approximate total of 200 deaths in the last five years.
"We are seeing far too many cases where Tasers are not being used for their intended purposes," says Sheley Secrest, president of NAACP Seattle. "And many of these cases don't end up getting reported or properly investigated because people are so humiliated by the experience.
Former U.S. Marshal Matthew Fogg, a long-time SWAT specialist and vice president of Blacks in Government, says that if stun guns are going to be used by law enforcement, training on their use should be extensive, and that the weapons should also be placed high up on what police officers call the "use-of-force continuum."
Fogg isn't alone in calling for such measures. In October 2005, the Police Executive Research Forum, an influential police research and advocacy group, recommended that law enforcement only be allowed to use Tasers on people aggressively resisting arrest. The organization also recommended that law enforcement officers needed to step back and evaluate the condition of suspects after they had been shocked once.
Fogg, who also serves on the board of Amnesty International USA, says that too many members of law enforcement seem to be using them as compliance mechanisms. "It's something along the lines of, 'If I don't like you, I can torture you,' " he says.
Originally posted by ludaChris
I'm not making excuses, I've developed an opinion based on info provided to me, and I certainly dont think the officers are mindless. I think they acted as they saw fit and went a bit too far with a deserved tasering. Maybe they need some more training and if the independent investigation goes down as someone posted earlier, and they find the officers acted incorrectly then they should be punished, but util then they are innocent no?
Originally posted by rdang
This jerk is a smart mouthed punk.He was looking for trouble and he got his wish.
Originally posted by Keyhole
I do not think the taser was meant to be used as a tool for officers to get
somebody to comply with what they want somebody to do when the only order given to the student was to "STAND UP" and the subject was not acting physically aggressive or physically threatening towards the officers, himself, or anybody else. If the order that wasn't being followed was something like "DROP THE KNIFE", and the subject did not comply, then by all means I would say the taser would be appropriate.
Tasers can become lethal weapons and should be used with due care as to when and why it is being used. Tasers should be used as a tool only when the subject is showing aggression to himself or others. This was not the case in this incident, it would have been a terrible for the student and for the officers if the student had died due to being tased for this offense.
I do think the student used VERY poor judgment and should just have complied with the officers requests and orders though.
I think EXTREMELY poor judgment was used by the officers using the taser in this incident.
[edit on 19/11/06 by Keyhole]