UCLA Police Taser Student For Not Showing ID W/Video

Originally posted by spencerjohnstone

----punched 5 times in the face by a cop was not torture either eh----

Here is the link, to the Video and the article....



Video Link

Article Source

Now you tell me, by watchin that video clip, that that is not an abuse of power????

At the end of the day, the police overstepped the mark, by tazerin this student 5 times. Very excessive if you ask me.

That was horrible, that poor guy had that cops knee in his throat and was doing what people do when they feel they are sufficating, he put his hands to his throat to get the knee off the front of his neck and that creepy cop punched him in the face five times.

Dang that sucked.

Edit to add this link, they like to push the weak around. Just a bunch of power hungry cowards on these video clips. If we get this much on tape think of all the cases no one sees. I say we need to do something when this stuff happens.

This isnt the America I want to live in...

Do you?

Warning the above link has an explicate word at the beginning.

[edit on 20-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

Originally posted by Annachie
How pathetic... Anybody even REMEMBER the facts???

Would you mind backing up your "facts" with quotes and links? Or could that prove difficult? Put up or, well you know.

Besides, most of the people on this thread criticizing the cops agree that the student was at fault to start with. That however does not absolve the cops in any way.

And (according to the eyewitnesses and what can be seen on the video) the crowd only gets angry after the cops taser the student repeatedly...

Anyway, I think Im getting tired of arguing with appeasers of evil.

Later dudes.

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Originally posted by Annachie
I love to watch the round-robin of comments being made...

Suddenly it is the SECURITY GUARDS who are at fault and that the suspect was Tazored only because he did not have ID...

How pathetic... Anybody even REMEMBER the facts???

Here. Let me refresh your memory..

Boy in library at 11pm. SECURITY guard asks for ID as it is POLICY to have ID after hours... The boy could have said I do not have it. Left.. Gotten it.. Come back... BUT!!! no... He gets uppity and boldly refuses to give ID multiple times... This act to me is not some "declaration of independence" or "Boston Tea Party"... It is a stupid action taken by someone who really is either an idiot or as was pointed out. Up to a quick settlement. Especially since LA was in mid furror of 2 other "police incedents" at the time this happened...

[edit on 20-11-2006 by Annachie]

Why was he asked in the first place? Because he is an Arab? Because he did something wrong? Because they have a policy of randomly asking people and he was next?

What I want to know is who was the dork that started on this guy in the first place? I mean was he a person that DIDN'T LIKE ARABS?

Gee wonder who that could be?

Your statement is pretty bland when you can consider that this same security guard has probably asked afew hundred students for there ID and I bet that those few hundred either had it... OR!!! left without trying to start a riot...

I highly doubt it was this security guards or the cops first day on the job.

So I geuss the new line in america is boot the white man... Tazer HIM.. Kick HIM... Kill him... BUT IF YOU SO MUCH AS LOOK AT A MISSPLACED HAIR ON ANY OTHER RACE YOU ARE A SICK RACIST BASTARD!!!

Please, get over it... No race is pure... Innocent..Sweet... Kind.. Tree-hugging... So to run up and down screaming THIS is Racist... THAT is racist.. Reminds me of the badguys in Mummy2 *I was dared to watch it* running around screaming THIS is cursed.. THAT is cursed...

Originally posted by Annachie
Your statement is pretty bland when you can consider that this same security guard has probably asked afew hundred students for there ID and I bet that those few hundred either had it... OR!!! left without trying to start a riot...

The point is not the guilt of the person that was abused. The point is quite simple and I think you are smart enough to comprehend it, but choose not to on purpose?

He did not need to be electricly shocked like cattle, only worst for not standing up to these "peoples" requests. They should have each grabbed a limb and carried him outside, this was not a reason to put this mans life in danger.

Look at this video of police brutality. You really want people treated like this?

Warning this link has an explicate word at the beginning.

[edit on 20-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

Post Brutality

Let's please try to keep the chest-beating, finger-wagging, podium pounding, character assassination and blanket denunciations to a minimum.

This thread is already way above the recommended limit for sanctimonious rhetoric as it is.

It is possible to question the way the police handled this case without being a cop hater, yobbo or bomb-throwing anarchist.

It is likewise possible to be skeptical of Mr. Tabatabainejad's performance without being a sheeple, Nazi or supporter of a fascist police state.

Much of what's being tossed back and forth in this thread is insulting to all readers who simply want to know the facts of the case and are interested in your opinions on the case instead of each other.

Members who are unable to comment on this topic without being rude or insulting about it should refrain from posting.




[edit on 11/20/2006 by Majic]

Originally posted by Majic


It is possible to question the way the police handled this case without being a cop hater, yobbo or bomb-throwing anarchist.

You mean like this?



I for one sir work with them nearly everyday, I do not hate them; I fear them as you should too. You wouldnt believe what they think of citizens...

They are not the cops we used to have, some are but too many have become miltary crazed and very heavy in the badge area...

Yobbo. Is that British slang for hoodlum?

Bomb throwing anarchist?

Come on, how about very concerned people that dont want to be abused? Warning this link has an explicate word at the beginning.




[edit on 21-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

I will be the first one to say that there is police brutality. I have seen it firsthand but never experienced it myself. Somehow tending to do simple things they ask has managed to keep me from being tazered, beaten, stunned, shot, beatenagain...

There will always be police who abuse the system... Just like Stock brokers... IT Specialists who swap software or "borrow" items from the stock room... or Gangers cutting there coke with babypowder for more money... *yes.. Extremes all the way around* I just see this incident for what it is. Not police brutality but a person who was a potential threat to an officers safety and to the people around him who had to be taken out swiftly and succinctly.

How do you think those officers would have felt if they actually did have a riot on there hands and instead of tazering one student had to draw and use there sidearms to shoot 4 or 5 who actually attacked them??? Hmm.. Come to think of it.. That is a good question....

Originally posted by Annachie
I will be the first one to say that there is police brutality. I have seen it firsthand but never experienced it myself. Somehow tending to do simple things they ask has managed to keep me from being tazered, beaten, stunned, shot, beatenagain...

It has gone way past that. They are hiring some really bad eggs, I am not lying to you. They see YOU as the enemy in an urban warfare envioroment. Go ahead and be at the wrong place at the wrong time when one of these crazies decide you are the target.

Check the link I provided in my above post for an example.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan


Come on, how about very concerned people that dont want to be abused? Warning this link has an explicate word at the beginning.

[edit on 21-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

Exactly.. what don't people like about this type of mindset?

Soooo... Riot scenes from all over the world, Mixed in with some valid abuse scenes. Chalk up some cool music and I am supposed to be afraid of the man in blue here in the states??? Sorry it ain't happening.

I did see the obvious scenes like the guy in New Orleans being beaten as abuse. The riot scenes... No.. Sorry. If you are part of a riot you get what you so brazenly deserve. I notice they were not running around with huge wooden cudgeles and firing wooden bullets at people in any of these. They used for the most part the minimal amount of force deserved for the scene.

Far as the others. Even the more momentous things here local in CA... I'd like to see what built up TO the supposed police brutality.

According to public opinion... If in the first 5-minutes a suspect is driving eratically. Firing at civilians and the police. Wounds two officers. Kicks a dog. then drives into a busload of handicapped children and continues firing.... It is police abuse when you see 30-seconds of the suspect being killed cause you do not see the gun in his hand on the other side of his body...

[edit on 21-11-2006 by Annachie]

[edit on 21-11-2006 by Annachie]

Originally posted by Annachie
Soooo... Riot scenes from all over the world, Mixed in with some valid abuse scenes. Chalk up some cool music and I am supposed to be afraid of the man in blue here in the states??? Sorry it ain't happening.

I counted 5 maybe 6 scenes of American police brutality in non-riot situations. The riot situations are pretty bad too, and shows what happens when unstable people are given too much athority.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan They are hiring some really bad eggs, I am not lying to you.

When I was in gradeschool I was beaten to a pulp every day by a bully several grades ahead of me. He would stop me after school, beat me until I # my pants, then throw me in a ditch. A hard square cocrete one at that. Every day.

Then we moved and I was free. For the next nine years, until I learned how to drive. As a cop he was mean as hell. I ran into him again, but I recognized him before he recognized me. Then I got out of that damn town and never looked back. I know he would have killed me if he had a chance, I could feel it. It was like a living nightmare.

So, yeah, they hire bad eggs, the nasty kind that chase people out of their hometowns.

Bad eggs... There are bad cops.. firemen, paramedics, politicians, Doctors and the like.

So catagorically speaking... Since 6 video show police brutality even though the entire story is not known then the entire police department must obviously be corrupt and I must fear the establishment. That is what you are telling me right now.

I have cop friends. I have friends who are bodyguards and went through police academy training and I have friends who have been beaten by the cops *Actually a lady but while her actions where not excusable neither was what she got*

It can openly be said that an officer has the authority to defend himself by any means he feels is necessary for the situation. The guy who was held at the neck with a knee and punched in the head 5 times looks inexcusable. The punching was not necessary in my eyes but the prior before the video was shown supposedly had the guy trying to reach for the gunbelt. I camp in the outdoors with a sidearm mainly for cougars/bears but I never saw one yet.. But if I am walking on the trail and another guy tries to take my sidearm from me I will pummel that particular idiot until he does not get up to be a threat. Cop mentality is pretty much the same. if they feel resistance in the arms like was being seen in the video they can apply force to the neck to subdue the badguy. Least that is what I am thinking was going through there heads.

How much force to the neck was there? Were they putting there whole weight on the guy? He'd be dead, at that angle you can put about 95% of your weight on a neck and the one who was resting on the suspect was not a lightweight. However if he has enough force to keep the suspect down and the suspect is trying to get up he will choke himself rather well. I have done a similiar move in a fight and I did not have to put any pressure on them as they kept trying to punch and kick me I just had my arm locked at the elbow and outstretched and they choked themselves into unconsciousness.

My main concern with that video is the punching... I see how the other cop is trying to stop the other from hitting the suspect in the head. Apparently it came out later that the officer who did the punching has had other "incidents" before and had been reprimanded for it.

If the police are hiring such bad eggs, and the police themselves are pushing the levels of violence, then the public should do what 70% of police officers do. Keep a stash of unregistered weapons, although the police use them for planting on their victims ("Look! He had a gun!") the public should keep them for the time when we as a populace have to deal with this evil ourselves.

Now this thread is Waaaaay off track, so lets get back to the topic:

1: Video posted on youtube of UCLA student being tasered.
2: Allegations that the incident was planned.
3: Discuss

"Am I the only martyr here" The quote this suspect gives as he is being hauled away...

I think the posted link that this was planned is becoming more realistic. I wonder what is the political push to create a situation like that.

I watched the video on abuse. Is the author saying that every one of those incidents happened in the US?

Originally posted by 2stepsfromtop
Now this thread is Waaaaay off track, so lets get back to the topic:

1: Video posted on youtube of UCLA student being tasered.
2: Allegations that the incident was planned.
3: Discuss

You mean the cops were set up here and there is a conspiracy going on here (not that this isn't the place for it..).

Not convinced of that. I mean every second teen and 20 something has a cell phone with a camera or video in it these days.

In terms of the guy's behavior in the melee he was probably shocked, humiliated and resentful at what took place. So I don't find that necessarily questionable.

Nobody has explained what the initial problem was though and that is still an issue here unless I've missed it somewhere?

I think the cops yelling "stand up" stand up" at the guy after they tasered him are the main proof of police brutality in this situation.

Whether or not the young man who was tazered incited purposely or was an innocent makes no difference.
The law enforcement people behaved very badly. They abised the trust we the citizens place in them.

They are supposed to keep the public safe. They are trained and held to a higher standard of behavior, and in return they have a badge and weapons.
Those weapons should be used ONLY to protect themselves and us, the public they serve.
Their weapons, their fists and their office should NEVER be used to punish or intimidate.
They enforce laws, they do NOT mete out justice or pass sentence.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Nobody has explained what the initial problem was though and that is still an issue here unless I've missed it somewhere?

The Student showed up at the Library, and the SOs asked him, as they are supposed to ask all persons, for his identification. They asked a number of times and he pressed them to enter without an Identification. The SOs then called for the LEOs, as the SOs are not armed and are not able to handle belligerent people. The LEOs arrived and the rest is history.

1) Library rules are: Present Identification when asked.
2) Must have Identification to use computers and check out books.
3) Studen refused to present Identification and made an issue out of it.
4) SOs called on LEOs for assistance with an unknown person who was acting belligerant.
5) LEOs arrive and cameraman starts filming.