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Originally posted by DeMitsuko
none of this really matters as most of the israelis agree with Leiberman.
and if you really cared and was not just wasting your time hating israel you would read the agenda of leiberman and understand that hes real agenda is peace and not war.
also it always amazes me that the muslim world can NEVER criticise itlsef.
you would say that israel is saying like that israel is doing like this but palestinians?
oh they are perfect little innocent rabbits. hopping around and being slaughtered by the devil of israel. your lack of objectiveness disgusts me.
you attack leiberman? what do the arab leaders are saying every day? if I start quoting the headlines i can make a mega thread all by myself.
40 complaints a year to the AG, zero investigations
By Nir Hasson
Twenty-four hours before the abduction of Corporal Gilad Shalit, Israel Defense Forces soldiers broke into the home of Mustafa Abu Ma'amar in Rafah. Special forces soldiers arrested him and his brother in their respective homes. A few weeks later, Abu Ma'amar told an attorney for the Public Committee Against Torture: "One or two days later (I discovered afterward that it was the same morning the soldier had been kidnapped), three interrogators came to where I was held at 6 A.M. [approx. one hour after the abduction - N.H.]. They didn't ask me anything, just started kicking and hitting me while an interrogator named Moti grabbed me by the neck and throttled me until I thought I was going to die. The other two grabbed me and forcibly removed me."
The interrogators later used the "exercise technique," as Abu Ma'amar calls it. "They forced me to hold my legs to the chair legs, with the back of the chair to my right and nothing supporting my back. They pushed my back backwards and told me to 'exercise.' It made my stomach muscles cramp up and caused unbearable pain," Abu Ma'amar explained.
The interrogators asked about the tunnels that he had helped dig, "while cursing me and my mother and father and threatening to demolish my house if I didn't cooperate. They also told me they had arrested my brother and were torturing him."
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Let me ask you why its ok for Israel to hate and be racist but anyone that doesn't like Israel, its policies or its government is wrong?? LOL Do you guys have the lock on hatred and racism or something special like that? Maybe Israel has trademarked it?
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
The arab leaders have only been saying what most Israelis actually think and never speak about, with the exception of Lieberman and Eitan who say it publicly. Claims of Democrcacy and no-rascsism issues in your country are just a subtrefuge. Your actions speak louder then words. The government has been very smart saying only what people want to hear publicly, while their actions spoke something completely different. 9/11 was one of the biggest boons for your country. Natanyahoo could hardly contain his glee when finally arabs in Israel could basically be slaughtered, terrorized or tortured and no questions would be asked.
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
If you think these actions should make you feel safer, it won't, it just makes it worse and it brings the US into it as proxy because we support your sadistic little country, which brings about attacks like 9/11 onto us. The sooner we totally cut off Military aid and cut back on financial aid the better it will be for us here in the USA.
Our goals and ambitions are not the same as AIPAC has lead the USA to believe.
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
nice find sherlock. i already stated in this thread that im from israel...
the thing that im most upset of is that the muslim world NEVER looks in the mirror. they always blame the west/israel.
Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed Since September 29, 2000
122 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 836 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
Israelis and Palestinians Killed Since September 29, 2000
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4,266 Palestinians and 1,084 Israelis have been killed since September 29, 2000.
palestinians never said one that maybe the way of terror is the wrong way. every time they have some kind of bad thing happen to them they never said "hey maybe there is some fault on us?". no! they always saying "lets terrorize israel even MORE!"
Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian Homes
0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.
New Settlements Built (March 2001 - July 2003)
60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built by the Israeli government on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003.
UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and the Palestinians
Israel is the target of at least 65 UN Resolutions and the Palestinians are the target of none.
the ball was always in the palestinians court. they are the only saviors for themselves.
one more thing: the IDF was not inside the palestinians territory until they kidnaped Gilad Shalit. even when they launched rockets inside israel. and there is no oxmymoron IDF did not defend itself now he went to an offensive that happend in the enemy territory.
A Synopsis of the Israel/Palestine Conflict
By the end of the 1948 war the Jewish state — having now declared itself "Israel" — had conquered 78 percent of Palestine — far more than that proposed even by the very generous UN partition plan. And three-quarters of a million Palestinians had been made refugees. Over 400 towns and villages had been destroyed, and a new map was being drawn up, in which every city, river and hillock would receive a new, Hebrew name. All vestiges of the Palestinian culture were to be erased. In fact, for many decades Israel — and the US, following its lead — denied the very existence of this population. Golda Meir once said, in fact: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian."
In 1967, Israel conquered still more land. Following the Six Day War, in which Israeli forces launched a highly successful, Pearl Harbor-like surprise attack on Egypt, Israel occupied the additional 22 percent of Palestine that had eluded it in 1948 — the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It also occupied parts of Egypt (which since were returned) and Syria (which remain under occupation).
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Let me ask you why its ok for Israel to hate and be racist but anyone that doesn't like Israel, its policies or its government is wrong?? LOL Do you guys have the lock on hatred and racism or something special like that? Maybe Israel has trademarked it?
WOW. you are so full of hatred you are not making sense.
who said israel is allowed and others not? you just made it up from nothing to sound like i said that. you are pathetic.
locked on hatred? us? i cant seem to understand where did you get this... you just saying things randomly or what? trademark? huh?!
*snip*
p.s
im out of here... have fun with your hate...
Originally posted by Mdv2
Originally posted by dbates
Having the best technology isn't an assurance of having no mistakes. Modern weapons always go where they are guided.
Yeah and accident here and accident there and accident everywhere. We accidentally used phosphorus and nuclear weapons, yes nuclear, on Lebanon. We accidentally hit a UN outpost, we accidentally hit Qana, we accidentally hit Qana again, we accidentally hit an ambulance. Shall I continue or am I supposed to believe in so many accidents?
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
also it always amazes me that the muslim world can NEVER criticise itlsef.
Let me ask you why its ok for Israel to hate and be racist but anyone that doesn't like Israel, its policies or its government is wrong?? LOL Do you guys have the lock on hatred and racism or something special like that? Maybe Israel has trademarked it?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Pieman
Well, I think it is safe to say that Palestinians and Israelis really do honestly hate eachother.. mortal enemies perhaps. Racist though? .. No, there are plenty of Arabs in Israel, many serve in the army and take part in these battles as well. Not all of Israel is European.
But of course Israel is what it is today simply because we made them that way. Could we make Palestine that way? No, the territory the control has no natural resources, no oil, nothing but barren land.. not even good for tourism because they have nothing. The portion of Jerusalem is undesirable because of the wall and check points and blown out buildings. They essentially have a land worth nothing with a massive population on top. While we could make their lives better, how do we do that when the government is calling for Israels destruction?
Right before the war with Lebanon Palestine, under Fatah, ordered a state of Palestine to co-exist next to Israel in peace. Then the kidnapping and the wars, most likely the closest they had gotten to peace was blown away by terrorist and a trigger happy Israel.
The easiest way to fix everything is for Israel to absorb them into the population (if the Palestinians even want that) and allow them access to all of Israel, to co exist in peace. The Israelis of course would never do that because there are more Palestinians then there are Israelis, they would loose their government. Or I should say, those in power would loose power?
Other Arab states are to blame as well. You do not hear anything out of Egypt, expect they arm the borders and build fences to keep Palestinians in. Syria give weapons and other good to Palestine, but no aid, nothing for the people, the Palestinians cannot go to Syria for refuge. Jordan despises Palestine, and they give little aid and try their best to make sure they are not in their politics and distance them selves. Even Lebanon is no friend of Palestine. They are like the black sheep of the desert nations.. no one wants and no one cares about them.
I don't want to argue with you Pieman, or even you Souljah, I would rather have a decent discussion as to what you think the solution should be. How to get peace between Israel and Palestine?
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
none of this really matters as most of the israelis agree with Leiberman.
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
im out of here... have fun with your hate...
"Lieberman represents a racist-facist position toward the Arab public," said Meretz MK Ran Cohen. "He is already bombing the Aswan Dam and Tehran, and turning Gaza into a soccer field."
Haaretz
Originally posted by Mdv2
Hate? Someone who supports a racist and fascist party is accusing me of being hateful? You're a funny bloke.
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
a terror group that have goals to drink the blood of the jews
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
this is the true hamas. the true elected goverment of the palestinian people. islamo-fascists.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Gosh, if they killed that many people through an error, just imagine if the Isrealis wanted to kill as many palestinians as the palestinians want to kill israelis.
They'd have a serious problem.
Originally posted by Mdv2
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
a terror group that have goals to drink the blood of the jews
May I ask you where I claimed to support a terrorist group, and which organization exactly?
Originally posted by DeMitsuko
this is the true hamas. the true elected goverment of the palestinian people. islamo-fascists.
The Israeli government is no better than Hamas, the crucial difference, though, is the way they are presented in the Western mainstream media. The psychological impact of a press release about a suicide bomber that killed five Israelis is much more effective than an Israeli Defense unit that killed ten Palestinians.
Israel is gradually colonizing the Palestinian territories and killing thousands of Palestinians, while Palestinian resistance opposes the Israeli suppression and kills Israelis. The only difference is that Hamas uses suicide bombers, while IDF uses Palestinians as living shields and phosphorus bombs.
As you said yourself, the kind of weapon doesn't matter. Both yours and the Palestinian government don't differ at all. In the eyes of the Palestinians the Israeli government is a terrorist organization and in the eyes of Israel, the Palestinian government is a terrorist organization, but as a matter of fact they are both equal to each other.
[edit on 9-11-2006 by Mdv2]
Originally posted by Nygdan
Gosh, if they killed that many people through an error, just imagine if the Isrealis wanted to kill as many palestinians as the palestinians want to kill israelis.
They'd have a serious problem.
Hamas Chief: Truce With Israel Is Over
Hamas chief Khaled Mashaal says that a truce with Israel is finished and is appealing to all Palestinian factions to resume attacks. Israeli tank shells ripped through a residential neighborhood in the northern Gaza Strip early Wednesday, killing at least 18 members of an extended family, including eight children, and wounding dozens of others, Palestinian health officials said.
Russia and the European Union condemned the attack.
Hamas' military wing called on Muslims around the world to target "the American enemy."
"America is offering political, financial and logistic cover for the Zionist occupation crimes, and it is responsible for the Beit Hanoun massacre. Therefore, the people and the nation all over the globe are required to teach the American enemy tough lessons," Hamas said in a statement sent to The Associated Press.
Originally posted by spinstopshere
Maybe Israel wouldn't be blowing buildings up if muslims stopped going on to buses and blowing them up.
BEIT HANOUN, Gaza (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Palestinians wept and screamed for revenge as they buried 18 civilians killed by Israeli shelling in a massive funeral in Gaza on Thursday.
"Killers in Israel, you will never be able to defeat one Palestinian child," Abdul Hakim Awad, an official of President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah movement.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, saying he was very distressed by the deaths of innocents, blamed the carnage on a "technical failure" by Israeli artillery.
Groups of militants, some masked and firing weapons in the air, flanked the procession as it snaked through the streets of Beit Hanoun, where Wednesday's attack took place, before the dead were laid to rest in a new cemetery.
The bodies, including seven children and four women, were each wrapped in a yellow flag, the symbol of the Fatah movement, and held aloft on stretchers among a vast crowd of tearful and angry mourners.
Source.