Originally posted by Spiderj
You know not everything written in scripture is good.
Some judaic and christrian law is barbaric and not practiced any longer.
This isn't, btw, an islamic issue.
Female Genital Mutilation is practiced by Muslims and Christians, its not a religious thing, its cultural
, its really only practiced in
north-east africa. I don't even think its an arab cultural issue, its more of a native african practice.
Now a maori who comes of age getting their body tattoo, which by the way looks incredibly painful, I'm fine with that as it's purely by
choice and holds great spiritual signifigance for the culture.
The women that this is done to, they almost allways support it. This is part of hte problem, they're not being forced to have it done, not in the
usual sense. Its cultural brainwashing, really, just like the tatooing amoung the maori, or sub-incision amoung the aborigines of australia.
Also a woman who enjoys sex and is allowed to enjoy sex may begin to assert herself in other aspects of society like wanting a say in
government or heaven forbid stating her own opinion.
This is a tradition amoung them, its a bizzare tradition that we find unacceptable.
Its a little odd, because, as digusting as it is, these people, they are 'normal' people over there, its just what you do as a member of that
society. Here we have a guy, in one political border, he's thrown into jail, in another, he's a regular joe. And if a person that had done this in,
say, the sudan, and then came here, we wouldn't say 'he's a sicko', and he'd be a regular member of our society.
BUt, again, I think that this is too sick to bear anyway, but its odd, because this is a guy who is, basically, doing what he's 'supposed to do',
he's doing 'whats normal' for him, and now he's in jail. I agree, 100% that he should be there, and his wife, but they're got to be thought of as
somewhat different from the other people in that jail.
Nygdan, your knowledge on cultures and rituals seems to be second to none on this site.
Lets be realistic, Byrd is probably the person with the most experience and knowledge on these topics, I am far behind.
Besides, I make this stuff up. Sub-Incision? Come on!
I'm interested if your familiar with an African culture that sew the vagina of young women?
I've only ever heard of it in associated with genital mutilation, or at least amoung the cultural groups that practice FGM.
When I read this article, that case study immediately came to mind.
It might be the same thing infact.
He put his daughters life in jeopardy by doing this himself unless he's a doctor of some sort.
Its not done by doctors in the sudan. Similar to sub-incision, where a sharp stick is sufficient, broken glass can be used for female genital
mutilation (of course, glass can be made extremely sharp, but its besides the point, we're not talking about surgical instruments). This practice is
traditional, and its often carried out via traditional methods. Doctors, I am sure, do perform it, but I don't think thats even the norm.
You can't really compare a clitoris to castration. A woman can still procreate with or without a clitoris wheras a man would no longer be able
to procreate if his scrotum was severed.
Its the same material, just the plumbing is different. If a guy had his penis cut off, he wouldn't be thinking 'gosh darnit, not I can't have
kids', he'd be thinking about all the sensations he'd be missing out on. Besides, if a penis was cut off, you'd still be able to reproduce and
urinate, the testes are still functional and the 'tubing' is still there.
If the testicals were removed, yes, that'd be different, it'd be like removing a woman's ovaries. BUt the labia, they are formed from the same
primordium as the skin of the scrotum, so removing the labia is similar to flaying the scrotum, without removing it. The only way to have something
similar to circumcision, is to 'excise the clitoral hood', which is analagous to the foreskin.
I would probably bet that these people are not up on the pleasures of sex like we are here in the USA
No, its pretty clear, they think sex, at least for the women, I don't see them doing anything to the men to stop them from having sex, is something
that only exists for marriage.
Im not attracted to cold fishies which is basiclly what you would have without a clitoris
Well, you have a woman who is unresponsive to sex because her sex nerves have been ripped out and her genital mutilated.
It is a comment on their religion and on them, that they allow this. Where's their version of Martin Luther to nail a schism to the door of the
Mosque and end this horror?
Where does it say that the guy that did this is even a muslim?
This is not a religious practice, its a cultural practice
. You can have every imam and mosque demand that it be stopped, and its still going
to occur, because the christians
from over there are going to be doing it.
how does the law in the US with regard to the circumsision of young Jewish boys, is this practice illegal?
Muslims, Jews, and Christians all practice circumcision.
Female Genital Mutliation is not specifically illegal in the US, there is no federal law against it. Some states have laws against it. This guy was
NOT charged with it, he was charged under existing laws, likesay, assault.
Removing any part of a human is barbaric and inhumane,
Circumcision is neither barbaric nor inhumane, neither is removing extra-digits from a hand, or puncturing women's earlobs. Heck, in the US, people
are having cosmetic
, for appearances, they're being cut open and having parts of their body removed, ground down,
replaced, enhanced, etc, because they like the way it looks
. Is that 'barbaric'? I personally think its silly, but its not barbaric. Female
Genital mutilation, yep, thats barbaric and shouldn't be allowed here.
yer not fit to be human if you cant reguard others as human
People should be killed for not treating women fairly? Thats silly. Nations shouldn't be destroyed because they don't give women the vote, or
because they have bizzare laws regarding inheritance.
I agree that these places that oppress women are backwards, but to say that people should die, because they aren't acting according to our standards,
and then saying its in the name of fairness or something, thats, well, at the least, ironic.
People, its a wild whacky world out there. The aztec kings used to use flint stones to periodically cut their penises open to satisfy their gods. The
romans used to bury alive Vestal Virgins who broke their vows, the Hindu widows for generations used to jump onto their husbands funeral fires and die
in them, australians rip open the entire shaft of their penis, women in the US take needles and puncture their clitorises to attack metal rings to
them because they think its 'cool'. Lets not loose sight of how crazy humans are in general
, not just in sudan