Originally posted by JackJuice
So let me get this straight Liberal1984 your against Israel for adhering to the latest rules of engagement for modern warfare?
Not quite I agree with the international laws governing weapons use and once more I think they should be extended to ban the use of Depletive Uranium.
I despise white phosphorus, and hate cluster bombs until we find a way of preventing so many unsafe failed detonations.
I already have one:
It’s called a “lit fuse”. You see the thing about a fuse is ether burning or it isn’t. There are plenty of self
sustaining ones we could use at 20,000 feet, and there are plenty of ways of lighting a fuse (electronically or chemically).
1. However I passionately believe that biological weapons are better than nuclear weapons (well in ethics anyway). Look at a world-area that’s just
suffered a nuclear war and all the trees, plants and animal life is dead; its not a case of the world being difficult for humans to live but almost
anything. Biological weapons also have the advantage of you having a cure to the strain your using, they make no nuclear waste, in fact anything that
goes into them can easily to be destroyed just above 120C. Also they are cheap; but this is where they fall down, as they are affordable to the
enemies of the West; then again
international law doesn’t seem to make too much of a difference when it comes to regulating our enemies, be
them terrorists or rogue states like North Korea.
2. I believe that many of the more modern chemical weapons are more human than the white phosphorus. And I believe they are always better than DU
because at least they don’t contaminate an area with a radioactive half life of 4.2 billion years. So (with this in mind) I would much rather see
chemical weapons in Afghanistan. They would be perfect because the men we are fighting still live in caves, because it’s mountainous and gas is
heavier than air, because the place is sparsely populated. My only objection would be if a chemical agent populated the environment way after its use.
Say at least over a year.
3. I have no problem with landmines providing they have a self destruct mechanism, or we promptly pay for the cost of clearing them up afterwards.
Also providing we are careful who we sell them too.
Conduct of War…
Furthermore: I believe in the rules of war regarding the targeting of civilian infrastructure. That’s why I was so mad when I heard Israel was
targeting sewage plants, grain elevators, power stations and airports unnecessarily.
Why I Dislike That War…
I objected to Israel’s war on Lebanon very quickly not because the war was being persuade by Israel or who it was being persuade against (although I
did question very rapidly whether it was really the wisest
No the reason why I think Israel’s war was dammed was because of their choice of targets, because it was extremely arrogant for them to think that
their manipulative reasoning behind these targets was not bound to backfire (accept the bit about harming enough civilians so that Western populations
would find support for their troops ceasefire involvement) (although being a war against terrorist they could have had most that anyway).
And I'm mad (in my heart) at Israel’s extensive use of particular kinds
of weapons. I know we do it; and when we do I'm mad and shameful
about us too.
On the Withdraw…
Israel had no choice because they weren’t making ether military or political progress. The fact people were getting upset in the West had most of
its routes in these two factors as it rightfully denied the proponents of the war intellectual ammunition (if only because it didn’t exist).
Angry at the Israeli…
Now I am “angry” at large swaths of Israeli public opinion; because I am aware that most Israeli people (about 80% I believe) think Olmert should
have let the troops finish the job. It makes me mad because the effects of their propaganda (or perhaps just stupidity???) meant they didn’t
a. They were loosing
b. Would loose
c. The war was counterproductive to a multitude of long term Israeli interests.
I just think “god you people are stupid; why didn’t you’re government let your troops stay? Who would of cared if it had been another 100, 200,
400 even Israeli troops had died by the time you realised the war wasn’t worth it. It would have been a great thing; not because so many troops
would be dead; but because you as a people would have actually collectively learnt something”
Instead all you’ve got is lots of angry Israelis saying “why didn’t the government stay?” I just think: “You know what?” “I agree with
you. And once more I'm happy to know (that in this nation of national service) you would of have been doing some of the fighting; as it’s clearly
you who need to learn the lesson most.”
As for Olmert’s governments…
Well in your Lebanon war you were about as evil as you were incompetent. But to start this war, then to deny your people the right to learn that what
you (both equally supported) was wrong; is quite pathetic. If you had “attempted to finish the job” then although there is only about a 0.5 chance
out of ten you would have; at least you would have carried away a lesson to your people that might have helped stay clear of such future folly. But
you did not; you didn’t even behave like politicians which is why you now have to deal with Israeli anger at the “job not being finished”. To
put it bluntly in every significant area you could have failed (both military or politically) you did.
Incedently you don't sound much like a Liberal too me, atleast none that i've ever met. Perhaps our definitions differ.
Oh I am when it comes to personal freedom. Big time in fact; I hate for example most of prohibition of drugs. I also care about the way is conducted;
and on what grounds it should. I believe in authoritarianism to the authoritarian which is why I hate countries like North Korea, or certain backward
elements of Islam. This is why I support Saddam because he killed those who opposed freedom by the thousand (hence my belief in authoritarianism to
the authoritarian) (the Kurds are an exception done because of they’re treacherous support for arch enemy Iran).
economically I am very liberal as well; I believe in the free market, with precious little state interference accept responsible people
protecting legislation, that and I believe the state has its place in big, big projects and giving tax breaks. I care about the environment, not just
climate change (although that’s why I support nuclear power) but also biodiversity passionately, and I have a huge amount of time for animal welfare
(just one of the reasons why I don’t eat battery chicken).
Ultimately though I am quite right ring; and originally was so in the extreme. Some of my biggest priorities are the upgrading of the Western
democracy and most of all the survival of the West as a whole.
As for Africa I don’t give a s***. In fact if global warming threatens our food supplies too much I would be one of the first people to advocate
covert biological warfare against the third world populations. This would bring their populations down meaning there was more food to export to us. Of
course you probably wouldn’t publicly talk about; but it wouldn’t stop me ether. There’s too many people in this world; sorry, but places like
Africa and Brazil should be amongst the first to go. As for China its just a real shame they’re ruled by an evil government, but the Chinese well
they seem quite smart. I like Arabs, have time for Jews (just wish so many weren’t into Israeli worship) and like the whole of Western Europe, and
Russia the most. So you see I'm a ruthless thinker with my own morals, and ideologies and all of these may change according to what I may know, and
But one thing’s for certain I’ll always be into the liberty of mankind, and what I know to be morally right. The fact I don’t care for certain
areas of mankind is to do with belief that overall mankind is (currently) quite a bad thing; and secondly because I don’t see them belonging to
people I associate myself with (a sort of multi nation nationalism). But I am determined to leave this world a richer place for my existence than
without; and will try to correct my views where a appropriate.