Cars Still Burning in France Everyday

Here's an article on the same subject.

On a routine call, three unwitting police officers fell into a trap. A car darted out to block their path, and dozens of hooded youths surged out of the darkness to attack them with stones, bats and tear gas before fleeing. One officer was hospitalized, and no arrests made.

The recent ambush was emblematic of what some officers say has become a near-perpetual and increasingly violent conflict between police and gangs in tough, largely immigrant French neighborhoods that were the scene of a three-week paroxysm of rioting last year.

One small police union claims officers are facing a "permanent intifada." Police injuries have risen in the year since the wave of violence.

National police reported 2,458 cases of violence against officers in the first six months of the year, on pace to top the 4,246 cases recorded for all of 2005 and the 3,842 in 2004. Firefighters and rescue workers have also been targeted — and some now receive police escorts in such areas.

French police face 'permanent intifada'

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long haul.

Originally posted by karby

Originally posted by Mcphisto
Sad news this. But it dont shock me. I would say we are 1 generation from a white/black or even a white+black/muslim war.

Considering 2 generations ago, you wouldnt have seen a mosque unless you turned a tv on, I would not rule out what I am saying.

I know what side I am on. Now pass the ammo!

why do you people always group blacks with muslims, as if we didnt have enough problems to deal with?

i can just group whites with muslims, in saying that historically and currently, the two groups are the sole cause of why the rest of this planet must now reside in this hellish hole we call earth.

Look at what I wrote! I wrote whites and blacks v muslims, written as white+black/muslim

Please do yourself a favour and read the post correctly.

Originally posted by Mcphisto
Sad news this. But it dont shock me. I would say we are 1 generation from a white/black or even a white+black/muslim war.

Considering 2 generations ago, you wouldnt have seen a mosque unless you turned a tv on, I would not rule out what I am saying.

I know what side I am on. Now pass the ammo!

this is what you said:

white/black or even a white+black/muslim

i read the post correctly. gramatically it can be transformed into two sentences:

1. "I would say we are 1 generation from a white/black war."
2. "I would say we are 1 generation from a white+black/muslim war."

in case 1, you are pitting whites against blacks. in case 2 you are pitting whites against blacks and muslims. in both cases, you are pitting whites against blacks. if case 2 was interpreted incorrectly, it should read "...a white/black+muslim war."

i know what you wrote. i'm not blind, and i believe i know how to read well enough to be able to effectively interpret sentences correctly. in any case, leave blacks alone. we have enough issues on the plate when it comes to race, and this certainly isn't helping.

Originally posted by DYepes
I challenege anyone living anywhere in North America to go find a Muslim citizen in your city, and proove he/she is a suicide bombing jihadist terrorist. Or even a rioter...

Done

ADAM the TRAITOR

Originally posted by Nygdan

Well, thats what you get for marginalizing an entire population and treating them like dirt.
Perhaps the French should learn to be more cosmopolitan and more appreciative of immigrants and their culture. The UK is better at assimilating foreigners to its culture than france, and hasn't had problems on this scale, and the US is way better than both, and hasn't had anything like these problems at all. When immigrants in the US went to the streets, the worst thing they did was wave their native flags a little too much. Perhaps europe can learn a lesson here. [/quo

They ARE learning a lesson.Perhaps the rioting scum should be more "cosmopolitan",after all islam is the "religion of peace" The UK will be next.When they come for YOUR head what will you say then ?

I am sorry 2stepsfromtop , I literally meant you actually have to get over your blind fear/hate of people you do not know and go out and meet them in your neighborhood. As in, get off your ass and see for yourself the people who live in your area. It was more of an personal challenge for yall to take upon yourselves, not just paste a bibliography about some guy and use him as the representation of a whole group of people.

Originally posted by DYepes
I challenege anyone living anywhere in North America to go find a Muslim citizen in your city, and proove he/she is a suicide bombing jihadist terrorist. Or even a rioter... My guess is they will be a very nice hard-working citizen of this Hemisphere.
.............

If you will notice i was referring to the "islamic extremists".... why is it that everytime someone says the truth about "islamic extremists" you, and some other people, jump in and claim everyone is going after all Muslim people?....

Yes, there are good Muslim people also, and they themselves have suffered, been tortured and murdered by the hands of Islamic extremists.....

Islamic extremism is the problem, not Muslims at large...

[edit on 22-10-2006 by Muaddib]

1. How well are French police armed and trained? how many of them are there as compared to the rest of Europe or North America? I'm reasonably sure the answers are smaller, worse trained, and with terrible morale. If the government ever lets these poor suckers off the leash (after being stuck unsupported into these kidns of situations) there's going to be hell to pay.

2. On assimiliation: I call BS. It has to come from BOTH sides of the fence. The country might be willing to assimilate them, if they were WILLING to be assimilated. I know out here in Canada, we have a TON of migrant groups. Unfortunately, what happens is our vaunted multiculturalism only goes so far. By and large, most immigrants of every stripe and color spend more tiem with their people than they do mixing with others. They all still speak their own languages and have their own subcommunities. No real assimilation has taken place.

DE

I can't believe that areas where whites can't go is 'shocking'.

For over 200 years, in the US and UK, there have been, and are still places where non-white people can't go. So don't pretend that white people have this warm and fuzzy heart for racial equality. When the shoe is on the other foot, somehow it's 'shocking'.

The only thing shocking is that whites aren't getting special, preferential treatment anymore, and have to be judge on the basis of their merit, not their skin color. I a lot of whites don't want to work to prove themselves equal, just want that superiority based on their skin color.

So let's just stop with, "I'm so shocked how racists brown people can be!" All colors of people can be jerks, especially when they have have a history being beaten and degraded by their white masters.

Originally posted by curme
I can't believe that areas where whites can't go is 'shocking'.

For over 200 years, in the US and UK, there have been, and are still places where non-white people can't go. So don't pretend that white people have this warm and fuzzy heart for racial equality. When the shoe is on the other foot, somehow it's 'shocking'.

The only thing shocking is that whites aren't getting special, preferential treatment anymore, and have to be judge on the basis of their merit, not their skin color. I a lot of whites don't want to work to prove themselves equal, just want that superiority based on their skin color.

So let's just stop with, "I'm so shocked how racists brown people can be!" All colors of people can be jerks, especially when they have have a history being beaten and degraded by their white masters.

And I can one up that by pointing out that the most abused sector of any human populace, bar NONE, is women. As a WHITE WOMAN (don't matter what color really), I am not, repeat not, going to be forced into abiding by Shar'ia law. When the populace in any given country reaches fifty percent muslim, they call for Shar'ia law. No, no, again I say no. No no no. One more time -- NO!

Originally posted by curme
So let's just stop with, "I'm so shocked how racists brown people can be!" All colors of people can be jerks, especially when they have have a history being beaten and degraded by their white masters.

I am wondering why you singled out 'white masters'. Are they somehow worse than others?

You know, if you think about it no other race has committed injustices against the other races like whites. They screwed the indians, the aboriginees, blacks, arabs etc and the asians, OMG. If you and I get into a fight and I slap your face you don't walk past me go into my house and slap my mum! Its between me and you Japanese soldiers surprised american soldiers(pearl harbour) and the american military goes and drops 2 nukes on japanese civilians LOL one of the worst thing in history IMO. Cancer is still a prblem there lol. I guess what i'm trying to say is that payback is a b*#%h(sorry french). Oh and please don't give me that crap about the majority of white people not being bad and being racist etc If someone sees injustice happening and is in a position to do something and does not....he/she is just as bad as the one committing the injustice(you know who you are). BTW guess my race.

Originally posted by Elijio
You know, if you think about it no other race has committed injustices against the other races like whites. They screwed the indians, the aboriginees, blacks, arabs etc and the asians, OMG. If you and I get into a fight and I slap your face you don't walk past me go into my house and slap my mum! Its between me and you Japanese soldiers surprised american soldiers(pearl harbour) and the american military goes and drops 2 nukes on japanese civilians LOL one of the worst thing in history IMO. Cancer is still a prblem there lol. I guess what i'm trying to say is that payback is a b*#%h(sorry french). Oh and please don't give me that crap about the majority of white people not being bad and being racist etc If someone sees injustice happening and is in a position to do something and does not....he/she is just as bad as the one committing the injustice(you know who you are). BTW guess my race.

Haven't you figured it out by now? It isn't RACE, it's the folks at the top, playing the rest of the people like fiddles. There's the big guys (and they come in all colors) and the rest of us.

That is only partially true.
Average joe being racist is not as a result of the guys at the top mate.

[edit on 23-10-2006 by Elijio]

I must profess my ignorance and confusion here. I see the terms assimilation and multiculturalism used as if they were mutually exclusive. I googled multiculturalsim and go this:

Term used to describe many cultures and learning to get on with one another with mutual respect.
www.reefed.edu.au/glossary/m.html

refers to a policy developed in the '70s by Australian governments looking for a way of replacing assimilationist policies. It was based on the belief that society would work better if people felt their cultural beliefs were respected and that they did not have to abandon their values to be considered good Australians. ...
www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/m-5.php

Multiculturalism

Then I looked up assimilation:

the state of being assimilated; people of different backgrounds come to see themselves as part of a larger national family

In the social sciences, assimilation is the process of integration whereby immigrants, or other minority groups, are "absorbed" into a generally larger community. This presumes a loss of all characteristics which make the newcomers different. A region where assimilation is occurring is sometimes referred to as a "melting pot".

Assimilation

I never realized that the second definition for assimilation even existed. As far as the US goes, I would classify it as a combination of both terms. We have our Little Havana, Chinatown, Little Italy, Germantown, etc. Each has it's own rich history and celebrates their own holidays with festivals that every American enjoys. But I must say, I've never seen or participated in any muslim celebration; they don't exist, as far as I know.

Maybe that's part of the problem?

Originally posted by Elijio
That is only partially true.
Average joe being racist is not as a result of the guys at the top mate.

[edit on 23-10-2006 by Elijio]

Average joe is racist? You sure about that?

Originally posted by PrimalDeaf
The UKs getting this way even some of our most rual, quite village are white no go zones, but everyones too scared to talk about it incase its seen as "racial" abuse.

This statement is total and utter bull#, and needs to be exposed as such. I don;t care if the mods take exception to me saying it, because its such a purile piece of right-wing crap.

Originally posted by jsobecky
I never realized that the second definition for assimilation even existed. As far as the US goes, I would classify it as a combination of both terms. We have our Little Havana, Chinatown, Little Italy, Germantown, etc. Each has it's own rich history and celebrates their own holidays with festivals that every American enjoys. But I must say, I've never seen or participated in any muslim celebration; they don't exist, as far as I know.

Maybe that's part of the problem?

Maybe. it happens with a lot of communities. For instance, if you aren't Catholic, and don't speak Croatian, it's gonna be hella-hard to appreciate any of their festivals. Some for St. Grotus Day for the Russians.

Little Havana and chinatown, etc are more like ethnic borroughs. They are places where there are a majority of a given ethnicity, and where further settling of same is encouraged. It's not neccesarily a bad thing, but as far as assimilation and acceptance into the country as a whole goes, it doesn't help. out here, it's bad. Some streetsigns are posted in two languages. Hell, government funds for 'cultural development' ended up sent back to more than a few Old COuntries to fund private wars. In the meantime, the peoples who emmigrated tot heir little borroughs...do they bother to learn English if they're still speaking whatever in their own little slices of home, without whatever made them leave? here, at least, it can be troublesome to speak Henglish.

DE

Originally posted by jsobecky
But I must say, I've never seen or participated in any muslim celebration; they don't exist, as far as I know.

Maybe that's part of the problem?

Today (Monday) is the last day for Ramadan, as well as the start of Eid. Say "Eid Mubarak" to a Muslim, if you see one. This is our festival for this month.

Ramadan can be celebrated by anyone. Its equivalent to the Christian faith is Lent. Today's Eid would be our form of Christmas/Thanksgiving.

[edit] By our form of "Christmas," I mean that we give each other gifts for Eid.

[edit on 23-10-2006 by DJMessiah]

Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by PrimalDeaf
The UKs getting this way even some of our most rual, quite village are white no go zones, but everyones too scared to talk about it incase its seen as "racial" abuse.

This statement is total and utter bull#, and needs to be exposed as such. I don;t care if the mods take exception to me saying it, because its such a purile piece of right-wing crap.

neformore, where in the UK are you ???

I dont know of any rural villages, but there are no-go areas for whited in the UK, I know of areas of Bolton and Oldham a white cant enter from personal experience.

I think you are a bit hard on PrimalDeaf.