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Cars Still Burning in France Everyday

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posted on Oct, 23 2006 @ 10:15 AM
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French Ghettos, Police Violence and Racism

It is important to emphasise that the French youth who are protesting against police violence and the policy of the French political establishment, are French citizens. They were born into first and second generation immigrants communities from France’s former colonies. They are not motivated by religion, and the protest has nothing to do with Islam and Western cliché of “Islamic fundamentalism”. It is a protest against oppression and racism. This is the only way the youth can express their anger and frustration at French political establishment which deny immigrants to be integrated in their diversity. Successive French governments failed to come up with a faire and successful integration policy.

The “second class citizens” have been pushed further out of the centres into France’s larger suburbs of Paris, Nice, and Lyon Toulouse, Marseille, Strasbourg and other big cities where their parents once provided cheap labour for France’s factories. The youth are excluded from the French society, and subjected to brutal and Nazi’s-like police harassments, encouraged by racist policies. In its annual report in April 2005, Amnesty International have criticised the “impunity” provided to police and police violent treatments of youth from North African origins during the provocative identity checks. In fact, an Arab or an African man has no right to look a policeman in the face during this deliberate and daily racism faced by young people of colour.

So - is anything more Clear then before?

I guess not, since the War we are facing today is actually not a War on Terror, but a War on ISLAM, and the Frenh took a ride on this roller-coaster of Ignorance and Hatred towards an entire religion and started to put this Young "Second Class Citizens" on the same boat as the Radical Islamists, even if they are rioting because of the way they are TREATED, not because they are connected to Radical Islamism. But I guess that does not count here. If they are Muslim, and if they are rioting, it is only beacause they are the religion of warmongers right?

For all those people here who really just LOVE situations like this, because they can further spread their political agenda here on ATS (and probably get PAID for it), I only have one wish for you; I hope in your next life you wake up as a Muslim in a neighbourhood like this and try to walk in their shoes for a decade or two or three and then open you mouths.


rench Muslims face job discrimination

Some companies believe that to be responsible for marketing you must have roots in mainland France over several generations to understand the French consumer attitudes," according to a recent SOS Racisme report.

French Muslims speak out: "Doors are closed when you are an Arab."


Why are French muslims rioting?

Poor, uneducated, ghettoized people everywhere display a tendency to riot, because they have little to lose, and because they feel little part of the reciprocating bonds that hold us together in a web of mutual exchange, rather than violence.

I feel like im spitting in the sea here, since the level of hatred towards an entire religion is rising so quickly that its almost scary. But then again, this is like water on the mill of the bushise and their fanatical followers, which will do almost anything in order to create a new enemy of the West: not radical, just ISLAM.

Congratulations!

Everyday you are closer to your goal!

WELL DONE!

Keep dividing the People of this world!

Build WALLS YES!




posted on Oct, 23 2006 @ 02:22 PM
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Souljah. Here's a thought for you. Sometimes, just sometimes, fences make good neighbors. I believe Robert Frost wrote a poem about that, the title escapes me at the moment.

Lines need to be drawn, not for conflict, but for peaceful coexistance. You and your neighbor can both lean on that fence and discuss the issues that need discussing.



posted on Oct, 23 2006 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
Souljah. Here's a thought for you. Sometimes, just sometimes, fences make good neighbors. I believe Robert Frost wrote a poem about that, the title escapes me at the moment.

OH yeah?

Berlin Wall solved a thingy?



Lines need to be drawn, not for conflict, but for peaceful coexistance. You and your neighbor can both lean on that fence and discuss the issues that need discussing.

If my Neighbour is an angry, opressed by racism, poor, uneducated, ghettoized I don't think ANY fence would help that fact and stop him from expressing his anger towards the society he and I live in.

Not Walls - Build BRIDGES.

But YES - let's obey the Bablyon Rule;

DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Build Walls and make War instead.



posted on Oct, 23 2006 @ 05:53 PM
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posted by souljah
If my Neighbour is an angry, opressed by racism, poor, uneducated, ghettoized I don't think ANY fence would help that fact and stop him from expressing his anger towards the society he and I live in.


Expressing anger is fine, violence is not. As a matter of fact, I can't think of anyway violence is going to make anything better!



posted on Oct, 23 2006 @ 09:38 PM
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Would it not be wise to begin droping leaflets pleading for peace and dialogue? Perhaps giving them options and a place to meet?

If violence does not solving anything, would that not also apply to law enforcment practicing any of their unrestricted powers to stop them?

I think a good start would be to begin dropping leaflets from the air over the neighborhoods asking for peace and dialogue, as well as urging some kind of vote, which these youth should have a right to being born citizens of the nation.



posted on Oct, 24 2006 @ 04:02 PM
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In a way, sir, the Berlin Wall did solve a "thingy". 'Course it started a thousand other problems.

That however was not what I was refering to. I will try again. Hopefully I'll do a better job this time.

A fence between neighbors allows them to set an agreed upon boundry. Meeting at the fence allows them to discuss common issues amiably, without the advantage or disadvantage of being on the others turf, or having someone on theirs. Nuetral, because it belongs to neither. I am not refering to ghettos or chantytowns or anything of the sort. Does this help you understand, sir?



posted on Oct, 24 2006 @ 06:38 PM
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posted by dyepes
If violence does not solving anything, would that not also apply to law enforcment practicing any of their unrestricted powers to stop them?



Ahh, NO, It would not apply to Law Enforcement. Laws are for the good of all and must be enforced. Enforcement is not violence, it is the proper response of the community to violence.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 'unrestricted powers'. I'm sensing some hostiliy towards the Law. Are you condoning Anarchy?



posted on Oct, 24 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 'unrestricted powers'. I'm sensing some hostiliy towards the Law. Are you condoning Anarchy?


That's an entertaining assumption/guess/discerning observation, yet far from the truth. One only needs to look at Somalia from 1991-2006 (July) that anarchy is not the most productive, peaceful, or efficient system of life.

One of my points was, that the common belief that most officers of the law are doing the right thing without question is slightly blurred to say the least. Unquestionably trusting the statements of the semi-elected leaders and their pack of dogs can undoubetdly lead to an abuse of unrestricted power.

The other was to point out the flaw in your opinion/theory that violence does not solve anything. If you accept that it is Just for the Law to use force as a solution to a problem, then indeed violence does solve things. That also means that those are on the recieving end of the violence are in full right and entitled to defend themselves.

I will stick to my belief that we should spray them with leaflets calling for peace, dialogue, and compromise to this unruly situation.

If you choose to stand firm in your belief that they should be dealt with harsh force, yet that violence does not solve anything, thats up to you.

I say at least give my option a chance before we decide we are better off killing and arresting people. My guess is it may only incite more hate and violence, but that is just my crazy thoughts I am sure.



posted on Oct, 24 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Doors are closed when you are an Arab


Does that mean they have the right to rape young western or even Arab girls for not wearing the hijab?...

Does that give them the right to kill people, torturing people, destroy private and public property?

France is a "secular' government, which means noone is allowed to wear their religious symbols in schools, or any government jobs, does this mean everyone from every religion should be allowed to violently demonstrate against this?...

A lot of people who are from European countries distrust Arab people in those countries because they think they are violent... What do you think creating more violence and destruction being done by Muslim people will do to this view?...

[edit on 24-10-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Does that mean they have the right to rape young western or even Arab girls for not wearing the hijab?...

Wanna compare Rape Statistics?



Does that give them the right to kill people, torturing people, destroy private and public property?

Kill? Torture? Destroying Public Property?

Isn't that the US Goverments Job?



France is a "secular' government, which means noone is allowed to wear their religious symbols in schools, or any government jobs, does this mean everyone from every religion should be allowed to violently demonstrate against this?...

The French Muslims are NOT violetnly protesting becuse of their Religion - but because they are Systematicly Opressed by the Goverment and kept in Ghettos as Jews were kept for centuries in Old Europe. They do not have any opportunity to leave this Ghettos and start to live a Normal life like every citizen of France wants. And if you are prohibited your basic human needs and rights as a citizen of France, then I bet that makes you angry and frustrated.

So why did you leave Cuba? Were you happy there?



A lot of people who are from European countries distrust Arab people in those countries because they think they are violent... What do you think creating more violence and destruction being done by Muslim people will do to this view?...

Oh yeah? So now you are also an expert on Europe too. Awesome. Been to Europe lately - or did you just visit your Anti-Islamic, Anti-Socialistic, Pro-War friends there so you can exchange views and bash those Peace-Loving Pinko-Commie Hippes?

I live in Europe and I don't think Muslims are any more violent then any other religious groups living here. Go to Poland and see the definition of Violent when you go and visit the Neo-Nazi Groups. Or Germany. I wish you much luck there!

[edit on 25/10/06 by Souljah]



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 06:58 AM
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Well, Souljah, I've read some not-so-nice things about the way that Slovenia treats immigrants also. Shall I post them here?

Remember, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, Souljah, I've read some not-so-nice things about the way that Slovenia treats immigrants also. Shall I post them here?

Remember, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

Oh Dear Becky, you are always so good in distracting the topic!

Well done again!

Yes, please post here (and hopefully you shall get a warning from moderators).

Remember to debate the topic of this thread - not shoot at the messenger (which you always know how to do very well also).

Carry on.

[edit on 25/10/06 by Souljah]



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 10:39 AM
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Double Post.

[edit on 25/10/06 by Souljah]



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
So that you get another award for your awesome research and above all - Denying Ignorance and spreading Peace and Love among Your fellow EARTHLINGS.

Much Respect Brother!



Souljah, that is just pathetic. Muaddib was just responding to a previous poster's claim that the "muslim problem" is blown out of proportion and that there's no basis in accusations made. And where is a "charter" that states he has to spread Peace and Love amongst fellow Earthlings, he is just providing some FACTS to dispute a CLAIM.

It could be said that Muaddib easily proved his point. The fact that you're unable to acknowledge and accept this makes you no better than the Muslims that call for Jihad and death to the west because you're just not able to acknowledge and rebuke the hideous actions of the people referenced in the news clippings.

It must be really hard to keep your head buried in the sand with so much bad Muslim behavior around you, but you appear to be doing an excellent job of it.

Oh, and I agree...



You have voted Muaddib for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Pokey Oats



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 12:58 PM
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Call me pathetic or whatever you wish;

I stand by my words and no post by mister Muad'dib can convince me otherwise.

Well to go one step further - In my opinion he is an Islamophob, like many others on this board, who really know one things to do very well; to spread fear and ignorance towards an religion called Islam.

And he probably gets payed for it.



You have voted Pokey Oats for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month.

Happy?

[edit on 25/10/06 by Souljah]



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 01:45 PM
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Right, so do any of you have any ideas as to a solution to this problem? Hey I tried, and I am probably going to send another letter to France giving them my recommendation, since I already have a letter on the way to INTERPOL anyways.

Some of yall just wish to continue demonzing a whole group of people for the actions of a few, and no doubt would support their genocide. While yet others only wish to bicker with them. Who is actually coming up with ideas to a solution? All I see is bickering amongst thyselves.

I say go around in APC's and hand out all kinds of books to those people man. Books educate, and apparantley that is what the majority of these people need.



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 06:06 PM
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posted by dyepes
I say go around in APC's and hand out all kinds of books to those people man. Books educate, and apparantley that is what the majority of these people need.


This statement is very revealing to me. Why do you have to go in Armored Personnel Carriers? Answer: Because you know they'd rip you to pieces and use the books to burn more cars and small business's.



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 07:21 PM
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Oh right I suppose that means just give up all hope and begin dropping MOAB's right?

It is a riot zone, APC is standard transport vehicle in a riot area. I did mention dispersing leaflets from the air as well.



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 07:42 PM
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DYepes, to be honest, hugging and educating these people isn't going to work.

The problem is from both sides. The french system isn't exactly condusive to hard work, which is how immigrants get on their feet and prosper in a country. The immigrants also have no desire to assimilate into French culture, which really isn't helping their cause.

These people need jobs, not books. Without jobs, they turn to crime. When they turn to crime, police crack down. When police crack down, they scream bloody murder. The combination of these factors lead to a perception of oppression and discrimination.

Let's be blunt: immigrants coming straight into any given Western generally don't have much money, or education. Those that do have education, generally aren't recognized. Now, knowing that, if there are few jobs in trades for these people, you're going to have massive unemployment in the immigrant minority. They'll call it rascism, discrimination, and you're screwed because lack of valid opportunities means people will turn to crime. Hell, even with a few easy outs or honest work, many will turn to crime because it's easier than working fifty hour weeks.

DE



posted on Oct, 25 2006 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
But again, do not be afraid people, once president Bush finishes his term, and if we Republicans don't win the elections again, everything will go back to normal and people will live in peace and harmony forever more.....
[edit on 22-10-2006 by Muaddib]


Uh who let them in in the first place? who were the people behind third world immigration and equality and all this rights stuff in the first place? They should explain why they wanted this and take responsibility for what has happened.




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