Why are The Freemasons Recruiting on radio and TV?

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posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 04:52 PM
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Hello friends,


I would like to offer a non-Masonic opinion, that is to say that I am not a Mason in the regular or irregular sense, but can spiritually see and identify with their purpose.


Thee prime philosophical theme in Masonry, imho, is one of Darkness to Light. This phrase, in its most simplistic sense, connotes a traversel of the psyche from contemplation of the common to a study of the sublime.

Stated another way... Everyone has a talent or gift within them which is remarkable or emulation worthy [Light]. These qualities within us are often denied a full and synergistic expression in life. Which is often a consequence of the human inability to perceive the world in non-egocentric terms [Darkness].

What Freemasonry offers humanity, through its philosophy, are a means [tools] to cause those so desirous of positive change and improvement an opportunity to develop and then share those latent gifts and talents with greater collective [selfless], as opposed to singular [selfish], effect. If you believe in the expression, "...Kindness is its own reward," then, chances are you would benefit tremendously from Masonry.

The commercial and radio advertisement, is merely an expression of Masonry's desire to help mankind Deny the Ignorance within ourselves so that we can let our inner light shine and so serve as a guide to others.



Kindest regards.




posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 05:53 PM
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Demonstrate this. Which groups are pushing for a global socialist totalitarian dictatorship, which is the original definition of the NWO. My point in stating that is that some groups are pushing for world socialism, others are pushing for a global free market enforced by a world army, others for an american hegemony, and still others for a global caliphate. Which are pushing for a NWO? Or is "nwo" simply, in your estimation, anything that is 'different'?


There are only 2 forms of NWO and all the other 'ism's' are exactly that and meant to confuse. One form of NWO is the spiritual awakening that is already occurring in the hearts and minds of men and another form which is the sinister attempt to enslave humanity. Now anything that does not offer us a lasting peace and comfort cannnot be the spiritual NWO and so in my 'estimation', you have been given the ability to decide for yourself what is the NWO and do not need any demonstration to prove that which is already staring you squarely in the face, as in a certain phrase written on every US Fiat Note. And no, it's not our dollar with our writing upon it; it's their dollar and their writing is clearly on it for all to see.

Central banks enslave economies and the devaluation of currency is not the past but the FUTURE of all nations that fall prey to it. Centralization of power into the hands of a small group of men - call it whatever you like - but Bush Sr. said "... a New idea, a New World Order..." as well as ".... a New World Order Can Emerge". He also works for the FED, doesn't he?



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posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 07:42 PM
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quote: The Illuminati are greedy money mongers that want to control as much of the world's money as possible

answer: from Nygdan
Which documents from weishaupts writtings are you refering to in that?



Not refering to any writings by Weishaupts....



quote: You can compare this to the American Revolution? and the other things you mentioned? They are the exact opposite...not the same.

quote: The Illuminati and NWO are, by definition, Tyrannical Authority!!

answer: from Nygdan
The Illuminati were destroyed because they stood up to tyrannical authority, and the masons succeded, for the most part, in their anti-authority enterprises; thats why we had an american, french, and italian revolution, etc. (in part anyways).



The Illuminati were destroyed? Hmmmm..what about all those Rockefellers and Rothschilds running around? And the Warburgs, Lehman Brothers....etc.....The people that run the FED for example. These people control most of the world's money and make $1 trillion per year off of the private enterprise known as the FED. These people that run and own the FED...these ARE the Illuminati. They run the world. They certainly run the USA!

The Illuminati were destroyed?
WOW! They are stronger than ever....and THEY are the tyrants!...make no mistake about that! They give a whole new meaning to the word greed. FOLLOW THE MONEY...they have and control most of it!



quote: I only know what I've researched friend. A LOT of research....and the Masons are intertwined with the Illuminati and the NWO....this is no secret and no myth.

Please demonstate as such. In fact, please demonstrate that the illuminati continue to exist and weren't destroyed by the authorities.


Please demonstrate that they don't exist....and what authorities destroyed them? I will happily demonstrate what you ask, if you demonstrate what I've asked. I will have to make it wait until tomorrow...but I can supply plenty of information to back up the facts I have stated!



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 08:37 PM
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I didn't check the link yet nor know where you are but I can tell you in Connecticut it is not like this. First you need two signers! no signers no further. In some states you can visit a lodge and they may sign for you, maybe even here to. I have not seen it here and have talked to a few masons and WMs.

I have seen some lodges hold all degree days as well. I guess there is a difference of if you are selling something or holding something. I would stick with an old one.



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
I only know what I've researched friend. A LOT of research...



You see "friend" the problem is when you research with "Google" and disregard legitimate research you come up with garbage and nonsense. Understand "friend" ?


.and the Masons are intertwined with the Illuminati and the NWO.


I assure you "friend" that I have been a Mason for more years than you, "friend" have been alive and what you are saying is horse hockey. Don't make such a Bold Statement. (BS) without backing it up. PROVE that the Masons (a F R A T E R N I T Y) and the Illuminati (which no longer exists and hasn't for MANY years) and the NWO (a concept and not an organized group as any thinking individual realizes) have ANY connection. I want some facts. Put up or shut up. I for one am sick of the crap that Excitable Boys like you post.


...this is no secret and no myth. This is a fact.


Oh. Because YOU say so? Or does it have some basis like ALL facts do? (I thought as much)


I'm sure their are many members of the Freemasons that are clueless as to what the organization is all about...


Yeah, and you Excitable Boys know EVERYTHING about us, don't you? Despite the fact that you have NEVER darkened the doors of a Masonic Lodge Hall? {LOL} You crack me up, you Excitable Boy, you!


but the people high up in the organization are well aware of what the true intentions of the organization are and always have been since its beginning!


Uhm-hmm. Makes sense. The active members have no clue, but you (a non-Mason and such an Excitable Boy) know ALL about us. BWA HA HA HA HA HA


You're not REALLY Excitable, now are you? Clueless BOY would be more appropriate, now wouldn't it?


I guess they gave me the 33rd Degree for being a dumb-ass. Jeez. Maybe I should give it back...along with my decoder ring and my NWO manual.

You're a riot, e-BOY. I like you!


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posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
The Illuminati were destroyed?


It's obvious from this post that you have might not undertstand exactly what the Illuminati were. You only know what you've heard and perhaps read (I assume you can actually read) in the half-vast (get it?) basis of knowledge available from GOOGLE about them.

You consider yourself "excitable" right? Get excited about some REAL freakin' research and find out what the Bavarian Illuminati WERE (PAST tense...get it?). You might be amazed (More likely you'll just remain excitable) Either way if you think the Illumaniti are still around and controlling ANYTHING (side reference: They NEVER controlled anything except the minds of some easily excitable boys) you might be surprised (or just excitable...whichever)

But I'll let you do the actual research (hopefully sans Google). It'll be good practice for when you get to college. Take my word for it. Reality is a wonderful thing.



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[edited insults -nygdan]

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posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 09:47 PM
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Appak, just curious but I understand you may feel that the Illuminati and the NWO do not exist, correct?

If we should accept this, and I am not speaking of Free Masonry - but about the NWO, then what can we do together to ensure that the correct form of "universal brotherhood" is brought forth in the spiritual sense, so that it does not simply wind up as another form of communism, or anything else ending in "ism" ?



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzgibbon Kinda surprised about the advertising angle though.


Quite simple really Membership has been dropping off lately...they even have opened chapters for women now...

Its like any other group really... with everyone hiding in chat rooms and video games, and tuning the world out with cell phones and Ipods... no one is participating much in ANY organization these days...

I think thats the real conspiracy... keep everyone tuned out the sheepification {new word} of America!!!

I too would like to hear what PERSONAl experience has caused the poster to dislike Masons

At least he didn't pick on Rosicrucian



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
You can compare this to the American Revolution? and the other things you mentioned? They are the exact opposite...not the same. The Illuminati and NWO are, by definition, Tyrannical Authority!!



You have got to be kidding!!! Dislike is one thing... but you claim to want to DENY IGNORANCE yet I doubt that you even know who it was that started the American Revolution and why...

If you want to know the truth at least take a minute from your rant to read this
In the Beginning... there was Voltaire, Le Marchand, Ben Franklin and George Washington

Rosicrucians/Masons all... There would not BE an America if it wasn't for them!




And lets get down to it... I have never got a straight answer on this question from any Mason/Illuminati "disliker" {trying to be calm
don't want a Nygdan edit}


Lets say for a minute that you are correct... the Masons, Rosicrucian, Illuminati and all othe secret orders are in cahoots to run things...

Well so what? If they didn't who would? You? What is your agenda to make everything right with the country?

I would rather back groups that have a long history of charity work and doing immense good for any community that they are in. BTW what have you done for charity lately?



Sigh...Why do I even respond to these children?:shk:

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posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Cinosamitna
but about the NWO, then what can we do together to ensure that the correct form of "universal brotherhood" is brought forth in the spiritual sense

Lets leave the NWO conversations for the NWO forum and threads that are focused on those aspects please.



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 12:18 AM
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Nygdan I just watch the commercial and I think the main target is you and me. (20-35 year old males) I would think they would advertise on the History Channel, A&E and others similar channels. Like National Treasure, they take advantage of Benjamin Franklin’s role in masonry, and I admit it is appealing to those with an interest in historical characters. They don’t mention God.

IMO I don’t think Masonry and Illuminati is behind today’s NWO. The Bavarian Illuminati wish to overthrow tyrannical monarchs and autocratic Jesuits, which eventually happened. If an Illuminati existed today, it would try to overthrow the very people we accuse of being Illuminati and behind the NWO. (elite plutocrats, the evolution of despotic monarchs.)

As for masonry’s “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity”, They are doing great on that last one, (fraternity) but their refusal to get involve in politics makes them impotent in fighting for Liberty and Equality. Today’s Masons are great for charity, but revolutionaries they are not.

Appak It is an easily observable fact that the NWO is real. World governments are consolidating worldwide (EU, NAFTA, Pacific Rim). Corporations can now cross borders like never before. Neo-colonialism tools such as the IMF and the World Bank assure their dominance. But as pointed out by Nygdan, that’s for another forum.


Originally posted by Cinosamitna
There are only 2 forms of NWO and all the other 'ism's' are exactly that and meant to confuse


Good point Cinosamitna, and we have a perfect example of this in this very thread. See 2 following quote…

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Not refering to any writings by Weishaupts....



Originally posted by Appak
It's obvious from this post that you have might not undertstand exactly what the Illuminati were.


It’s pretty obvious that you guys are not talking about the same thing.



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 09:26 AM
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well well well, I guess its time to enter the fray. Excitable boy, hang in there. These fellas like to hunt in packs. You see, instead of actually trying to help a guy understand, they like to berate and laugh. Putting "friend" in quotations is a great way to show it, huh? I have had the opportunity to "join" after being "recruited" by a "friend" who knew of my interests in alchemy, the occult, and religious history. Funny thing is after I declined, he never talked of it, and became very defensive. Later in life, I had the pleasure of working with a Master Mason. Only reason I knew is he displayed the compass/square in his toolbox. After striking up conversation about it, he asked why I was so interested. I simply stated, that I noticed how prevelant Masonry is in American History. I asked him what the pyramid on the back of the dollar stood for. He said it showed their solidarity to the slaves used to build it. Quite confused, I asked, what race were these slaves generally? He said it didn't matter. So I asked what a white male frat,club, gang, had to do with PREDOMINATELY black slaves. He said he was done talking with me, and said I should stay away from the internet.
Now with that said, the next 9 months at my job were hell. I am a very talented welder, with the desire to excell in all aspects of my job. This man began a campaign to smear me up and down the shop, calling me at various times, conspiring, weak of character, and even homosexual(I'm very happily married!)
eventually I was fired with the only reason given to myself and the unemployment agency that I didn't fit in ( after 3.5 years, and rising to top pay). To me and others it was quite clear that I was chased out, and since then others have been targeted to. What do you tell people? I was targeted by MASONS at work? Most people have no idea what your talking about, let alone know the history of the unseen hand guiding this country.
In all I've learned that in order to survive these kinds of attacks it is best to be like the willow, and not the oak. Go with the wind and absorb its energy. Then their offense becomes deflated. I now am much happier at a new job that is not infested with narrow thinking fratboys like those rednecks.
One question to the masons here: is it coincidence that the first block of the white house was laid on the same date as the demise of the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR, and the approval of the VERICHIP by the F.D.A.? and Yes this year it falls on a Friday. I speak of October 13. kind of funny that X-files was produced by TEN THIRTEEN productions, no?

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posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 09:44 AM
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sorry, i got a little carried away and didn't address the question about the ads. I feel its a little like the increased ads for military service. When a business, club team whatever is successful, compassionate, or even just trustworthy, then the customers, members, and atheletes, shop, apply, or try out for those teams first. The others have to place ads. I agree that numbers must be slipping, perhaps eyes are being opened to the truth about the bloodthirsty history involved and people are saying no thanks, I have other "friends" out there. (I use horrible sentence structure, sorry, i just type like I think
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posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
Later in life, I had the pleasure of working with a Master Mason. Only reason I knew is he displayed the compass/square in his toolbox.


Yep, proof positive that the guy was a Mason.



After striking up conversation about it, he asked why I was so interested. I simply stated, that I noticed how prevelant Masonry is in American History. I asked him what the pyramid on the back of the dollar stood for. He said it showed their solidarity to the slaves used to build it. Quite confused, I asked, what race were these slaves generally? He said it didn't matter. So I asked what a white male frat,club, gang, had to do with PREDOMINATELY black slaves. He said he was done talking with me, and said I should stay away from the internet.


Huh? I thought the slaves in Egypt were Israelites? And what does "solidarity with slaves" have to do with the Great Seal of the United States? Surely the guys who created it felt no solidarity with ancient Hebrew slaves.




One question to the masons here: is it coincidence that the first block of the white house was laid on the same date as the demise of the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR, and the approval of the VERICHIP by the F.D.A.? and Yes this year it falls on a Friday. I speak of October 13.


No coincidence at all.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.



And by the way:


Construction began with the laying of the cornerstone on November 10, 1792.

Source



And:


On October 12, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved VeriChip for medical applications in the United States.


Source



There: you've just been caught in two different, verifiable lies. Now how much of the other stuff did you make up?

[edit on 22-9-2006 by Masonic Light]



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy

Not refering to any writings by Weishaupts....


Then what is your source.



quote: You can compare this to the American Revolution? and the other things you mentioned? They are the exact opposite...not the same.


Actually they are exactly the same. Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati in 1776 for the purpose of doing the exact same thing in Bavaria that the American revolutionaries were doing in the Colonies.


The Illuminati and NWO are, by definition, Tyrannical Authority!!


Horse-hockey. The Illuminati are, by definition, "enlightened".



The Illuminati were destroyed? Hmmmm..what about all those Rockefellers and Rothschilds running around? And the Warburgs, Lehman Brothers....etc.....The people that run the FED for example. These people control most of the world's money and make $1 trillion per year off of the private enterprise known as the FED. These people that run and own the FED...these ARE the Illuminati. They run the world. They certainly run the USA!


We weren't talking about the Rockefellers or the FED. We were talking about the Illuminati.



I only know what I've researched friend. A LOT of research....and the Masons are intertwined with the Illuminati and the NWO....this is no secret and no myth.


I would suggest you do a little more research.


A movement of freethinkers that were the most radical offshoot of The Enlightenment — whose adherents were given the name Illuminati (but who called themselves "Perfectibilists") — was founded on May 1, 1776, by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830), who was the first lay professor of canon law. The group has also been called the Illuminati Order, the Order of the Illuminati, and the Bavarian Illuminati. In 1777, Karl Theodor, Elector Palatine, succeeded as ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati and the Freemasons.

The structure of the Illuminati soon collapsed, but while it was in existence many influential intellectuals and progressive politicians counted themselves as members.... The scheme had its attraction for literary men, such as Goethe and Herder, and even for the reigning dukes of Gotha and Weimar. Internal rupture preceded its downfall, which was effected by an edict of the Bavarian government in 1785.

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posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 10:22 AM
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Masonic Light
there you are, are you the scout sent to sniff me out? Sorry I forgot to mention this guy was also a shriner who walked his camel (Zora) and I saw him in a local parade.
also,www.americaslibrary.gov...[/u rl]
[url=http://architecture.about.com/library/weekly/aa011501a.htm]http://architecture.about.com/library/weekly/aa011501a.htm
rs6.loc.gov...
www.whitehousehistory.org... aspx?ID=41&imageID=142
Huh the Bushies even buried a time capsule that day. Maybe you should call them and tell them Wiki says they're wrong. Dates are important to time capsules I think. There goes your theory.



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 10:30 AM
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5th Horseman,

Sorry I insinuated you were a liar. I looked it up further, and some sources do indeed claim it was laid on Oct. 13. Therefore, you weren't making it up, and have my apologies.

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posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 10:35 AM
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Lets all remember that we're all here for generally the same purpose, to discuss these issues and topics.



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 10:37 AM
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m'kay here we go:www.ihealthbeat.org...
www.marketwat... ch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B5689C024-C7F5-4026-B82E-718DB62DE0F8%7D&siteid=myyahoo&dist=myyahoo
www.gospelgrace.com...
any other dodges or are you feeling silly now?



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 10:40 AM
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apology accepted, no blood no foul





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