Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth. Yup. Doesn't jibe with what you get on the Freemasonrywatch-type sites but those are basic tenets of Masonry. Kinda surprised about the advertising angle though.

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Personally, I'm not a fan of the Masons...

Oh really? Why? What PERSONAL experience do you have with the Masonic Fraternity? What do you KNOW (not what have you "heard") about the Freemasons? I'd REALLY like to know.

as I am not a fan of the Illuminati or the NWO......which all seem to be tied together quite nicely.

Well, actually just the last two (the Illuminati and the NWO) which have NOTHING to do with the Freemasons but ARE tied together quite nicely (as you say) since NEITHER EXIST. {shrug}

Excitable_Boy]

I'll bet that's right.

Perhaps because so many people spout off accusing them of this
and that, and they want to get the truth out there, and not have
people believe what some overly paranoid nutjob who can create
a website thinks based on half truths, lies and paranoid percenptions.


I personally am not a freemason, nor do I ever intend to be,
it's not something particlularly of interest to me, but I can see
where thy're coming from.

Well, actually just the last two (the Illuminati and the NWO) which have NOTHING to do with the Freemasons but ARE tied together quite nicely (as you say) since NEITHER EXIST. {shrug}

Yes Appak,

The NWO does not fully exist *yet* and whether the NWO has anything at all to do with a Freemason or Free Masonry as a body, is certainly up for debate. As is whether or not the NWO has anything to do with a Christian or Christianity as a body, or even various corporations such as one that makes fast food like Macdonalds, for example. Even whether or not it may have something to do with the average citizen who unknowingly pays income tax and thus accidentally helps fund the very engine which supports the FED. Certainly it is all very debateable depending on how you look upon the matter.

But before we justify a *defense* of Free Masonry as a reason to imply that the NWO does not exist, let's not forget something that is *hardly* debateable. Many groups today, particularily the ones now in power, are most certainly pushing toward a NWO and to overlook the obvious attempts by certain powerful and sinister groups to steer us in this direction, I think is very dangerous.

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
What's up with the Masons? I just recently saw and ad on TV that was recruiting people to become members and then today I heard an ad on the radio....what's the deal?

The CIA is airing recruiting commercials as well

Personally, I am definitely against recruiting for Freemasonry, especially via TV and radio. However, I do recognize the importance of letting people know that if they want to become a Mason, they just need to request admission. Far too many believe that you have to be invited. Many, many times new Masons have told me that they would have joined long ago, but they thought an invitation was necessary.

The OP originally asked:

Love and truth?

The Three Great Tenets of Freemasonry are Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth. These are the foundations of Masonry, and thus play a central role in the very first degree, that of Entered Apprentice, in the Masonic fraternity.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Personally, I am definitely against recruiting for Freemasonry, especially via TV and radio.

But isn’t it against Masonic Law also? Not that I would know personally, but you guys are always saying on here that you’re not allowed to invite anyone. A Mason-wanna-be has to petition a Lodge on their own accord, no?

The Three Great Tenets of Freemasonry are Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth.

I finally got a copy of The Magic Flute with subtitles that I can understand. In it they keep mentioning these words. I once read a post where you mentioned that it was Illuminati and Masonic, and someone had replied that historians would not agree with you. After viewing it, I can confirm that the Magic Flute is highly Masonic and Illuminati (of the Bavarian variety) in theme. (now if I can find that post…)

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23


But isn’t it against Masonic Law also?

Masonic law is determined by the individual Grand Lodge of the state. In the past several years, a few Grand Lodges have amended their Constitutions to allow solicitation. I personally remain opposed to this practice, and my Grand Lodge does not allow it.

Not that I would know personally, but you guys are always saying on here that you’re not allowed to invite anyone. A Mason-wanna-be has to petition a Lodge on their own accord, no?

Even in those states that now allow solicitation, a Mason can only invite a friend to turn in a petition. In other words, a Mason can't invite anyone to become a Mason per se, because he still requires a ballot and election.

I finally got a copy of The Magic Flute with subtitles that I can understand. In it they keep mentioning these words. I once read a post where you mentioned that it was Illuminati and Masonic, and someone had replied that historians would not agree with you. After viewing it, I can confirm that the Magic Flute is highly Masonic and Illuminati (of the Bavarian variety) in theme. (now if I can find that post…)

Indeed. The Masonic and Illuminati symbolism in the opera could not be more obvious. Take for example the Queen of the Night, symbolic of the Church, whose goal is to destroy the Brotherhood of Light. Also notice, in the end, when she is defeated, and the new age of Universal Brotherhood dawns, the Initiates do not kill or enslave the Queen of the Night, but simply exile her where she can do no more harm, symbolic of the separation of church and state.

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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Are there not enough of them already?

The frat, like many other frats, is going through a big membership decline.

Are they planning on starting their own army?

Clearly.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the Masons...as I am not a fan of the Illuminati or the NWO......which all seem to be tied together quite nicely.

Were you a fan of the american revolution, the unification of italy, the more peaceful aspects of hte overthrow of the french absolute right monarchs? THe spread of personal liberty and the struggle against tyrannical authority??

Love and truth?

Why do you find that odd? The fraternity is largely a product of the rennasiance and enlightenment, the 'age of reason', when ancient knowledge was re-introduced into europe, and people started questioning their authoritarian governments.

Deny ignorance....that's what this site is all about. DENY IGNORANCE!

Indeed, perhaps you should live up to it and demonstrate that either group does exist, rather than responding with 'lol'. The AISB existed, yes. Appak is almost certainly aware of this, he is most probably denying that they continue to exist. As far as the NWO, many people consider the NWO to be all sorts of things, what group is out there, right now, trying to create an organization called "The New World Order", or are you merely saying that an expansion in the use of debit cards, or fingerprints on passports in uganda, is 'the nwo'?

...but the Masons are really doing this recruiting...again go to the website and check out the TV ad and radio ads

Indeed it looks like they are, and thats odd because they're not supposed to, according to their own rules, they're not supposed to recruit people, because a person that has to be sought after and influenced to join an egalitarian charitable organization that emphasises personal growth, isn't really ammenable to those ideals. It looks like they are 'suggesting' that people join, rather than saying 'come and join'. But 'ask1 2 b 1' and all its perrmutations is clearly a suggestion for people to join.

Come to think of it, it'd be REALLY interesting to see the times that they are advertising and what their target audience is. Housecleaning products are advertised during soap operas, at least in the past, because the only people watching soap operas were middle class housewives, the target audience of said products. So how have the masons identified a 'desirable demographic' I wonder?

Cinosamitna
But before we justify a *defense* of Free Masonry as a reason to imply that the NWO does not exist

Appak's arguement did not involve that line of reasoning, implicitly nor explicitly.

Many groups today, particularily the ones now in power, are most certainly pushing toward a NWO

Demonstrate this. Which groups are pushing for a global socialist totalitarian dictatorship, which is the original definition of the NWO.
My point in stating that is that some groups are pushing for world socialism, others are pushing for a global free market enforced by a world army, others for an american hegemony, and still others for a global caliphate. Which are pushing for a NWO? Or is "nwo" simply, in your estimation, anything that is 'different'?

Hmmm, where did I hear that before? enlightning? or Illuminate? :p
They actually mention Enlightning more than once.

So does the buddha, indeed, his title of 'the enlightened one' has subsituted his name. Do you suggest he is one of the Illuminati? Or that the dali lama, said to incarnate certain aspects of the buddha, is an Illuminati Primus, fronting for a fascist-socialist world devorouring empire?

masoniclight
Far too many believe that you have to be invited.

Indeed, when I was younger, I thought it was not only invite only, but only open to Engineers (along the lines of being involved in 'the craft').

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Periodically Lodges will recruit new Masons through the media some way because just like other scams-they want your money. That's all Freemasonry is and that's the hidden "truth." That's why masons get so upset when asked about their secrets because simply put; the only secret is that masons pay no less than $500.00 in dues anually to sit and have about a $10.00 meal once every three months or so.
While the "grandmasters" sit high on the hog or "high on the ladder."

There ya go. Secret revealed. Now don't you feel "illuminated"

Originally posted by HarpStrings
Periodically Lodges will recruit new Masons through the media some way because just like other scams-they want your money. That's all Freemasonry is and that's the hidden "truth." That's why masons get so upset when asked about their secrets because simply put; the only secret is that masons pay no less than $500.00 in dues anually to sit and have about a $10.00 meal once every three months or so.
While the "grandmasters" sit high on the hog or "high on the ladder."

There ya go. Secret revealed. Now don't you feel "illuminated"

This little ad hominem was not only uncalled for, but is a complete fabrication. He claims that dues are no less than $500.00 per year, which is certainly not true. The average dues in my state are $50.00 per year. I belong to two different Lodges: one charges $30.00 per year, the other $48.00 per year. This is less than most of us spent on dinner last Saturday night.

I've never known a Lodge in my Jurisdiction to charge more than $75.00 per year.

Since Freemasonry is non-profit, the allegation that the fraternity just wants folks' money is ridiculous. Dues money goes to pay monthly expenses, and if anything's left it goes to charity.

Contrary to the assertion that Grand Masters sit "high on the hog", it actually costs them money to serve in that office. Most Grand Lodges allot Grand Masters around $1,000 per year to help cover travel expenses in their official duties, but anything after that comes out of their own pockets.

The only people in my jurisdiction who receive salaries are the Grand Secretary (which is a full time, 40 hour per week job), and two clerks who work as his assistants. The Grand Treasurer draws a smaller salary, which is a part time position.

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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
...but the Masons are really doing this recruiting...again go to the website and check out the TV ad and radio ads

Indeed it looks like they are, and thats odd because they're not supposed to, according to their own rules, they're not supposed to recruit people, because a person that has to be sought after and influenced to join an egalitarian charitable organization that emphasises personal growth, isn't really ammenable to those ideals. It looks like they are 'suggesting' that people join, rather than saying 'come and join'. But 'ask1 2 b 1' and all its perrmutations is clearly a suggestion for people to join.

The key to all of this is the requirement that a man join masonry 'of his own free will and accord'. Freemasons have traditionally erred on the side of caution and always avoided an outright invitation, or solicitation, as this could be construed as 'pressure' on the potential candidate, which could in turn lead to compromising the original requirement.

These days many Grand Lodges have indicated that they are not averse to a 'neutrally worded statement', such as "have you ever considered joining the freemasons?", or "I think you would make a good freemason". Even then the 'approach' should only be followed up once and then dropped.

The audio and video adverts seem to fall into this latter category, although they are certainly an extension of it and I can see why some freemasons would be uncomfortable with 'pushing the envelope' in this fashion. An impersonal and indirect approach through media, informing people that one must 'ask rather than be asked' is unlikely to be a cause of undue pressure on a potential candidate. However, furthering this approach by making claims for the Craft, for example, or 'selling' the Craft would certainly be unacceptable to most freemasons.

Informing people is fine IMO, pressuring is most certainly not. Whether it's an advert or personal contact that does the informing is not particularly relevant.

Were you a fan of the american revolution, the unification of italy, the more peaceful aspects of hte overthrow of the french absolute right monarchs? THe spread of personal liberty and the struggle against tyrannical authority??

How can you compare these things to the Illuminati or the NWO? The Illuminati are greedy money mongers that want to control as much of the world's money as possible and thus have more power than anyone or any group. The NWO is their plan to one world government and be the ones running it!

You can compare this to the American Revolution? and the other things you mentioned? They are the exact opposite...not the same. The Illuminati and NWO are, by definition, Tyrannical Authority!!

But you didn't answer my question. What personal experience do YOU have with Freemasons and why do you dislike us? Why do you think a F R A T E R N I T Y has something to do with a (proposed?) NWO? and the no-longer-existing Illuminati? (Thanks Nygdan for your comments :up

I only know what I've researched friend. A LOT of research....and the Masons are intertwined with the Illuminati and the NWO....this is no secret and no myth. This is a fact. I'm sure their are many members of the Freemasons that are clueless as to what the organization is all about...but the people high up in the organization are well aware of what the true intentions of the organization are and always have been since its beginning!

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All fraternal organization across the country and really world wide have seen about a 2 decade long decrease in membership.

From the Jaycees to the Moose Lodge to the Eagles to the Masons, overall new membership is down across the board.

The decrease in membership has been linked to the internet and cable tv, people just do not volunteer anymore.

People would just stay at home and surf the net or crash on the couch than get out and do some good in the community.

People are travling farther to and from work or working longer hours to make ends meet and the claim is there is no time for Fraternal organizations in todays busy work and life styles.

So the Mason and the Shriners are buying adds on TV, radio and buying highway billboards to get the word out to increase membership.

Despite what some acclaim here freemasonry is actually being wound down it appears. The major skullduggery has been done and most of the big time players have been put into place. Since insightful and knowledgeable people have come out about what masonry is really about they have suffered a decline in numbers and this causes economic problems for the organization that exists. They need to increase numbers or they will lose the properties they now have. Anybody joining that thinks they will learn the secrets of the universe is greatly confused.

Maybe the masons should recruit actively from immigrants?

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
How can you compare these things to the Illuminati or the NWO?[p/quote]
They are fruit of a masonic tree, so to speak, whereas the illuminati were a group seperate from masonry modeled upon it, and the NWO is a conspiracy theory, whoever is hated, is who is said to be behind the NWO.

The Illuminati are greedy money mongers that want to control as much of the world's money as possible

Which documents from weishaupts writtings are you refering to in that?

The NWO is their plan to one world government and be the ones running it!

Others have suggested that the socialists are the ones behind the NWO, indeed, HG Wells, in a socialist slant, wrote the book, The New World Order, about a global socialist utopian state.

You can compare this to the American Revolution? ans the other things youmentioned? They are exact opposite...not the same.

The Illuminati and NWO are, by definition, Tyrannical Authority!!

The Illuminati were destroyed because they stood up to tyrannical authority, and the masons succeded, for the most part, in their anti-authority enterprises; thats why we had an american, french, and italian revolution, etc. (in part anyways).

I only know what I've researched friend. A LOT of research....and the Masons are intertwined with the Illuminati and the NWO....this is no secret and no myth.

Please demonstate as such. In fact, please demonstrate that the illuminati continue to exist and weren't destroyed by the authorities.

denythestatusquo
Maybe the masons should recruit actively from immigrants?

Part of the problem is that the immigrants, in america, are largely catholic, and the RCC forbids membership in freemasonry; however, that hasn't stoppped a heckuva lot of people. The revolutionary ideals of masonry might, infact, find fertile ground in the cultures of latin america. The other major immigrant group in the anglo world, as far as I can tell, are muslims and indians. Radical muslims of course, like most radical groups, probably consider masonry the work of the devil, though the moderates have historically worked well enough within it. Can't imagine what they quite think of the Shriners though. As far as people from India, that country was once ruled by the british, so, undoubtedly, there is probably a strong masonic institution there also. People comming to the US might continue their membership as a way to keep up the ways of the homeland (this, infact, is what motivated the british emigres, spread throughout the empire, to join masonry).