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This is a fact that not many people know about, and quite a few people, would like that there was no evidence to back this fact, because some people
would like the world to believe that human activity is the cause for global warming on Earth. I am not advocating that releasing harmful gases, and
chemicals in the oceans and atmosphere are good, but after a few years of research, I have come to understand that global warming is happening in the
Solar System, not just on Earth.
Some people just want to listen to what some environmentalists are claiming, that global warming is happening because of human activity, and we are
the cause for the extreme changes in climate we have been seeing lately getting worse and worse.
I will let now the facts speak for themselves as to what is really happening.
 Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest.
Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars' surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars. Besides
tracking seasonal changes, such as the advance and retreat of polar dry ice, the orbiter is returning evidence useful for learning about longer-term
dynamics. Martian Ice Shrinking Dramatically
New gullies that did not exist in mid-2002 have appeared on a Martian sand dune.
That's just one of the surprising discoveries that have resulted from the extended life of NASA's Mars Global Surveyor, which this month began its
ninth year in orbit around Mars. Boulders tumbling down a Martian slope left tracks that weren't there two years ago. New impact craters formed since
the 1970s suggest changes to age-estimating models. And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole
have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress.Prediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
Philip S. Marcus
Top of pageJupiter's atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices,
the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and three White Ovals that had formed1 in the 1930s. The Great Red Spot has been observed2 continuously
since 1665 and, given the dynamical similarities between the Great Red Spot and the White Ovals, the disappearance3, 4 of two White Ovals in
1997−2000 was unexpected. Their longevity and sudden demise has been explained5 however, by the trapping of anticyclonic vortices in the troughs of
Rossby waves, forcing them to merge. Here I propose that the disappearance of the White Ovals was not an isolated event, but part of a recurring
climate cycle which will cause most of Jupiter's vortices to disappear within the next decade. In my numerical simulations, the loss of the
vortices results in a global temperature change of about 10 K, which destabilizes the atmosphere and thereby leads to the formation of new
vortices. After formation, the large vortices are eroded by turbulence over a time of 60 years—consistent with observations of the White
Ovals—until they disappear and the cycle begins again. Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002
BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14
years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and
Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary
Sciences in Birmingham, AL.
The team, led by James Elliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT and director of MIT's Wallace Observatory, made this finding by watching the
dimming of a star when Pluto passed in front of it Aug. 20. The team carried out observations using eight telescopes at Mauna Kea Observatory,
Haleakala, Lick Observatory, Lowell Observatory and Palomar Observatory. Data were successfully recorded at all sites.
An earlier attempt to observe an occultation of Pluto on July 19 in Chile was not highly successful. Observations were made from only two sites with
small telescopes because the giant telescopes and other small telescopes involved lost out to bad weather or from being in the wrong location that
day. These two occultations were the first to be successfully observed for Pluto since 1988.
That's a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as
Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the
planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the
sun?
Pluto thought to be warming up
Astronomers at the University of Tasmania have found that the solar system's smallest planet is not getting colder as first thought and it probably
does not have rings.
Dr John Greenhill has collected observations from last month's event when Pluto passed in front of a bright star, making it easier to study.
French scientists have shared the measurements they took in Tasmania that night, which indicate that the planet is unlikely to have rings.
Dr Greenhill says the results are surprising because they show Pluto is warming up.
"It looks as though the atmosphere has not changed from 2002, which is pretty surprising because we expected the atmosphere would freeze out as
the planet moved further away from the Sun," he said.
"But so far, if anything, the atmosphere has gotten even denser."
The following is a site which was made by several scientists who have no links with any government, or corporation, their findings are very
interresting and give a different picture as to what is causing global warming. I can't quote any excerpts as there is a copyright issue, but I will
post the link. Anyone interested in that information should read that site.
biocab.org...
biocab.org...
Title:
Is the solar system entering a nearby interstellar cloud
Authors:
Vidal-Madjar, A.; Laurent, C.; Bruston, P.; Audouze, J.
Affiliation:
AA(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AB(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et
Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AC(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France),
AD(Meudon Observatoire, Hauts-de-Seine; Paris XI, Universite, Orsay, Essonne, France)
Publication:
Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 223, July 15, 1978, p. 589-600. (ApJ Homepage)
Publication Date:
07/1978
Category:
Astrophysics
Origin:
STI
NASA/STI Keywords:
ASTRONOMICAL MODELS, DEUTERIUM, HYDROGEN ATOMS, INTERSTELLAR GAS, SOLAR SYSTEM, ABUNDANCE, EARLY STARS, GAS DENSITY, INTERSTELLAR EXTINCTION
DOI:
10.1086/156294
Bibliographic Code:
1978ApJ...223..589V
Abstract
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Observational arguments in favor of such a cloud are presented, and implications of the presence of a nearby cloud are discussed, including
possible changes in terrestrial climate. It is suggested that the postulated interstellar cloud should encounter the solar system at some unspecified
time in the 'near' future and might have a drastic influence on terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years.ESA sees stardust storms heading for Solar System
PRESS RELEASE
Date Released: Monday, August 18, 2003
Source: Artemis Society
Until ten years ago, most astronomers did not believe stardust could enter our Solar System. Then ESA's Ulysses spaceprobe discovered minute
stardust particles leaking through the Sun's magnetic shield, into the realm of Earth and the other planets. Now, the same spaceprobe has shown that
a flood of dusty particles is heading our way.
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What is surprising in this new Ulysses discovery is that the amount of stardust has continued to increase even after the solar activity calmed down
and the magnetic field resumed its ordered shape in 2001.
Scientists believe that this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during solar maximum. Instead of reversing completely, flipping north to
south, the Sun's magnetic poles have only rotated at halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun's equator. This weaker
configuration of the magnetic shield is letting in two to three times more stardust than at the end of the 1990s. Moreover, this influx could increase
by as much as ten times until the end of the current solar cycle in 2012.
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 04:04 AM by Muaddib
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Ulysses sees Galactic Dust on the rise
01 Aug 2003
Since early 1992 Ulysses has been monitoring the stream of stardust flowing through our Solar System. The stardust is embedded in the local
galactic cloud through which the Sun is moving at a speed of 26 kilometres every second. As a result of this relative motion, a single dust grain
takes twenty years to traverse the Solar System. Observations by the DUST experiment on board Ulysses have shown that the stream of stardust is highly
affected by the Sun's magnetic field.
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Unlike Earth, however, the Sun reverses its magnetic polarity every 11 years. The reversal always occurs during solar maximum. That's when the
magnetic field is highly disordered, allowing more interstellar dust to enter the Solar System. It is interesting to note that in the reversed
configuration after the recent solar maximum (North negative, South positive), the interstellar dust is even channelled more efficiently towards the
inner Solar System. So we can expect even more interstellar dust from 2005 onwards, once the changes become fully effective.
sci.esa.int...
As can be seen, the Earth is not the only planet undergoing global warming, and human activity is not the cause of global warming in the Solar System,
nor on Earth.
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 04:04 AM by bothered
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This is true with the increase in solar flare activity.
Ought to see some strange phenomenon in the sky.
That is, when the flares coincide within each other. Ionized particles should "dance" wildly.
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 03:06 PM by dave_54
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Caused by all those ET's driving SUV UFO's. 
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 03:14 PM by WolfofWar
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Somehow the enviromentalists will finda way to blame us on this too.
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 03:27 PM by Sir Solomon
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You know me and a friend were talking about global warming a couple weeks ago, and I wondered out loud if it was completely the cause of it that
humanity was spewing out all these gases.
Basically I wondered if maybe there had been an increase in the energy that was being put out by the sun.
This is a good topic, and I think that you've compiled a solid start for us to look into. 
A question I would like to pose is if there is another source of energy other than clouds within the solor system? Is the sun brighter or putting off
more energy?
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 03:44 PM by WolfofWar
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You know, the sun is getting older each day, andbigger. With it growing, the heat and radiation source gets closer to use, and therefore it gets
hotter and stronger.
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 04:09 PM by Umbrax
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A very good compilation of information Muaddib.
I’ve seen most of it in small amounts on other threads so I may be repeating what I’ve said on those threads.
I won’t dismiss the possibility of our system entering some anomaly, however I don’t think the information presented here dismisses the human
influence on Earth’s climate.
Warming on other planets is an interesting coincidence but it does not necessarily have the same cause as GW on Earth.
There is very little evidence to go on when it comes to GW on Mars. So far the only evidence out there is that picture found on your link.
This is one area, a single icy region in the southern hemisphere, that shows melting over a period of two years (less than on Martain Year.)
On Earth, we have poles melting, surface temperature rising, permafrost melting, glaciers world wide melting, CO2 concentrations increasing, ect...
There is no comparing this mountain of data on Earth to a few photographs of a single region on Mars.
With Pluto we can’t really use this information to compare with Earth. Pluto’s year is 150 of Earth’s years. We haven’t even been monitoring
its climate long enough to understand its seasonal changes.
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reply posted on 16-8-2006 @ 08:57 PM by loam
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As Umbrax says, nice list of info...
However, to definitively assert that what is happening here is happening elsewhere for the same reasons is speculative at best.
Regardless of how slim the possibility, it is still nonetheless useful to know of the potential issue and worth some consideration.
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 04:54 AM by Muaddib
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 Originally posted by Umbrax
Warming on other planets is an interesting coincidence but it does not necessarily have the same cause as GW on Earth.
What a coincidence that every planet which has an atmosphere in the Solar system is undergoing Global Warming and Climate change.... It is way too
much of a coincidence, and even the sun is heating up more than it has in 1,000 years.
Did you take a look at the sites i gave of scientists who have no affilitation with any entity and they found that for example in the middle ages
there was also global warming, yet there was no industrialization, they also found a correlation between the increase in cosmic rays entering our
solar system and the changes in global temperatures.
They give a lot of information and graphs.
biocab.org...
The information from that site and the fact that we know we are going through an area in the Universe which is becoming denser and denser with
intergallactic dust, which have excited particles such as ions, plasma, etc, show that what is presently happening, not only on Earth is not the
result of human activity.
As i said, I am not saying that it is good to release gases and chemicals into the atmosphere and the oceans, but this shows that even if we stop
every single car, every single factory and if every single human stopped using AC global warming will continue at the same pace it is going. There is
no stopping it, and we need to make contigency plans with this in mind.
BTW, they studied "three Martian summers", not just one. Astrophysicists have been studying the solar system for as long as environmentalists have
studied global warming on Earth, how long ago was it that many people, including scientists, said there was no global warming?
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 05:04 AM by Muaddib
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Originally posted by Umbrax
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There is very little evidence to go on when it comes to GW on Mars. So far the only evidence out there is that picture found on your link.
This is one area, a single icy region in the southern hemisphere, that shows melting over a period of two years (less than on Martain Year.)
On Earth, we have poles melting, surface temperature rising, permafrost melting, glaciers world wide melting, CO2 concentrations increasing, ect...
There is no comparing this mountain of data on Earth to a few photographs of a single region on Mars.
With Pluto we can’t really use this information to compare with Earth. Pluto’s year is 150 of Earth’s years. We haven’t even been monitoring
its climate long enough to understand its seasonal changes.
There is a lot more information which points to global climate change in the Solar System and not just Earth, i already gave also the link from French
scientists who in 1978 predicted that the Solar system would enter a higher density area, in the near future, (back in 1978) which would change the
climate not only in other planets but also on Earth.
We even know the sun is acting up more than it ever has in 1,000 years, and it's activity is increasing.
As I have said in another thread, environmental scientists do not study what is happening in the solar system, and they would look for the cause of
global warming on Earth, but the Earth has gone through periods of warming and cooling and there have been times in the past that global warming has
happened within a decade, which is almost the same that is happening now, and back then there were no factories, or cars like the we have now.
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 05:18 AM by SkyWay
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So then, it isn't GLOBAL warming, it's SOLAR SYSTEM warming. Can't even escape to another planet. There goes that plan.
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 05:27 AM by jlc163
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Has anyone been taking temperatures in outer space recently?
The airless sections are supposed to be a fairly constant temperature.
If these temperatures have changed, then there's something a bit more concrete to talk about.
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 05:34 AM by RedGolem
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Originally posted by Sir Solomon
Basically I wondered if maybe there had been an increase in the energy that was being put out by the sun.
Actually I saw on a pbs program that the sun has been dimming. This was based on measherments used to determin the amount of watter needed for food
crops, and my the amount of evaporation as meashered from a water sorce. This was blamed on the particales in the atmospher.
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 05:37 AM by Muaddib
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Originally posted by jlc163
Has anyone been taking temperatures in outer space recently?
The airless sections are supposed to be a fairly constant temperature.
If these temperatures have changed, then there's something a bit more concrete to talk about.
The effects of warming, or the changes, will be felt more on planets with atmosphere, or astral bodies such as the Sun because their magnetic fields
and atmospheres interact with the high energy region the solar system is going through as we speak. in "Outer Space" there isn't much to interact
with this high density region of the interstellar medium.
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 06:00 AM by jlc163
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by jlc163
Has anyone been taking temperatures in outer space recently?
The airless sections are supposed to be a fairly constant temperature.
If these temperatures have changed, then there's something a bit more concrete to talk about.
The effects of warming, or the changes, will be felt more on planets with atmosphere, or astral bodies such as the Sun because their magnetic fields
and atmospheres interact with the high energy region the solar system is going through as we speak. in "Outer Space" there isn't much to interact
with this high density region of the interstellar medium.
[edit on 17-8-2006 by Muaddib] I know. We'd probably be dead if that changed. But if it was a noticeably diffrent temperature, it would
cnaghe some of our little notions. One of those things I'd likee to see someone double check while they are out there. 
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 08:43 AM by jumpspace
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Our solar system is passing through the galactic plane.
In 2012 we'll pass the dead centre of the galactic plane.
This is what I believe is responsible for this.
Good research too 
Cheers
JS
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 09:05 AM by RedGolem
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Originally posted by jumpspace
Our solar system is passing through the galactic plane.
In 2012 we'll pass the dead centre of the galactic plane.
This is what I believe is responsible for this.
Good research too
Cheers
JS
Jumpspace
by any chance could you exsplain what the galatic plane is or provide a link to what will exsplain it?
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 10:37 AM by pavil
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I have always wondered about the Sun's output and how it effects everything.
The info on Pluto however might be misleading in some ways as Pluto's orbit is highly elliptical, much more than any other planet. It actually is the
eight planet in distance to the sun at some points in it's orbit. If Pluto has been comming closer to the Sun the past few decades (one single orbit
of the sun takes 248 years), I would expect an increase in temps, pressure ect., even without any extra solar output.
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reply posted on 17-8-2006 @ 10:46 AM by pavil
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Originally posted by Redgum
Actually I saw on a PBS program that the sun has been dimming. This was based on measurment's used to determine the amount of watter needed for food
crops, and by the amount of evaporation as measured from a water source. This was blamed on the particles in the atmosphere.
I think you are referring to "solar dimming" which is not actually directly related to the Sun's output as weird as that sounds. Solar dimming
refers to the Earth's reflecting more of the Sun's energy away into space rather than absorbing it into the atmosphere.
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