What was the first language?

Originally posted by Marduk
so you are off topic as you are not discussing the first languages at all or anything like them

Then perhaps you may consider this is not too far off topic, perhaps you may believe so. either way i'll throw it out there:

There is no first language without empathy which is a pre-requesite for being able to interpret the message being sent. Without a want to comprehend what was meant by the message, no communication has taken place, since the reciever did not have the means to feel inclined to interpret the intended meaning of the message.

So, as you imply that the first languages existed in other species (not dissagreeing with you) it would be fair to entertain the idea that said species also had emotions and emotional responses, which also served as a pre-requisite for comprehending the meaning of the intended message sent by the sender. But, when judging the intentions of the sender, the reciever only has for a basis for comparison when judging that which they know about their own intentionality, and their motivations.

Allah created the first man Adam.
Allah created all animal kingdom, including WHALE.

Arab is the Allah's only language. The first language must be Arab!

ah just what this thread needs
a fundementalist Moslem

Originally posted by Marduk
well you didn't say that
in future you should apply the noun Turkic where formerly you were using turkish
lol
and even then
Turkic is an indo european language group along the Hellenic branch

[edit on 9-1-2007 by Marduk]

I keep on forgetting to use turkic

Anyway the Turkic languages are Altaic and as far as i know thats a different language group than indo european.

read this
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and get back to me on that

I think it's a given that this thread is about human language. As far as I know, language has not been identified in any other speices.

I wrote some stuff on page 1 or 2 on how some people are trying to build up a linguistic picture of the 'first' langauge. It is possible several developed spontaneously.

I think reference to the conception of God in langauge is valid. A conception of God goes back as far as the written record, as far as I know. If that's not the case, please provide proof.

Marduk, I value your contributions, but I you do come across as a rather negative at times. And what's with the anti-muslim comments? Are you anti-muslim? Don't wish to get off-topic, but...

i havent made any anti muslim comments at all
where did you get that from

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

laughter is good for the soul.

english was still the first language, perhaps.....

Khufu .... . .. . (is this his name?)

Cheops by some. . .. . (correct?)

KHUFU, but the "h" decieves, for it makes no sound....

b.c. to a.d. a mirror in time i see. ... . .

kuf u [mirror] u fuk

cheops [mirror] spoech

u f** spoech , or f** u spoech?

you f* speach?

or . . ..

f** you speach?

...........................

7 examples are seen my sis
examples from the pages of genesis:

edun [mirror] nude

who was nude in the garden of edun?

adam is a dam [mirror] mad a (add a silent "e" to mad) = made a

adam made a what? atom made a what?

made a man name .. ...

man [mirror] nam (add a silent "e" to mad war of nam) = name

adam the atom made a man name?

fell is fel [mirror] lef (but add a silent alpha's "a") = leaf

what kind of leaf?

fig if christ is not first, but if christ's symbol is put first, then fig is tfig, + fig (add symbol is "+", placed before the fall) =

fig to +fig

+fig [mirror] gif+ is gift.

who put it on first, who saw the first mirror?

the first incorruptible:

eve [mirror] eve.

why?

thigh lie love.

thy lie love.

the "l" of love is the alpha.

thi li L [mirror] Lilith


english not the first language???

you may be right, perhaps.

Do they have mirror at that time?
If your theory is true, then the first language should be H S I L G N E instead of ENGLISH.

English is a language of England which didn't exist 1500 years ago.


1st language was Arab, it is the language of Allah. Allah created 1st man Adam.

Allah didn't exist 1500 years ago either
the Muslim religion Islam wasn't invented until 800Ace
thats 1200 years ago

before then you were all polytheists
or don't you actually know the history of your own religion Cinlung
yours is the youngest organised religion on earth
it hasn't lasted as long as catholicism
and it is nowhere near as old as polytheism
the worlds oldest religion is pantheism
and they don't have their own language
they have everyones language

if you're going to keep trying to make this a religious issue try to remember that comparitively speaking your religion is the new kid on the block
and it has no place here

Originally posted by Marduk
i havent made any anti muslim comments at all
where did you get that from

if on the other hand you want to sound like an arab fundementalist then carry on
I'm sure it won't be long before theres a knock at the door

And from the Bosnian Pyramid thread:

so its not a pyramid for bosnians
its just a pyramid for muslims
whens America gonna wake up and ship him off to guantanimo

My italics. I thought both those comments in extremely poor taste.

someone claiming that the first language is Arabic because thats what the Koran is written in is a fundementalist moslem
thats a statement of fact

fundamentalism : A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism

he was discarding the views of others because of his strong religious belief

as for Osmaganic
if you don't think hes out of order with his comments then perhaps you should check out his views a little more before accusing me of being in poor taste
he has lied about the facts, slandered professionals who didn't agree with him and at one point early on claimed that the descendants of the pyramid builders made up 42% of the current population of Bosnia
incidentally thats the percentage of moslems in Bosnia
so its not a bosnian pyramid in his opinion
its a Bosnian pyramid built by Moslems
you don't think thats a little outrageous ?

fyi imo my comments were not at any point anti muslim and neither am I and they were not meant to sound like they were

so apologies for offending anyone who thought otherwise


btw I think theres a high percentage that I am anti pseudoscientist
about 100% currently

Originally posted by Marduk
Allah didn't exist 1500 years ago either
the Muslim religion Islam wasn't invented until 800Ace
thats 1200 years ago

before then you were all polytheists
or don't you actually know the history of your own religion Cinlung
yours is the youngest organised religion on earth
it hasn't lasted as long as catholicism
and it is nowhere near as old as polytheism
the worlds oldest religion is pantheism
and they don't have their own language
they have everyones language

if you're going to keep trying to make this a religious issue try to remember that comparitively speaking your religion is the new kid on the block
and it has no place here

You are not knowledgeable nor credible at all.
Allah created the 1st man, are you saying 1st man was created 1200 years ago?

Before that I wasn't polytheist because I didn't live that time.

Your saying oldest religion is pantheism is really a laugh. The word 'pantheism' not even exist a century ago.

I am not bringing religion issue here, I am bringing 1st language issue, the 1st language is Arab!

Islam didn't exist until 800ACE
that means that until then there was no story about Allah and a Garden and the first man
if you must know Islam is an offshoot of Judaism
Judaism has the same stories but dates from 1000bce
before that the world was polytheistic in nature worshipping many gods and having many creation stories
before that the world was pantheistic believing that god was in all things
the modern word pantheism is derived from the words "all" and God"
are you saying that the word God is only 100 years old
or that the word All is only a 100 years old

Cinlung if you want to play with the big boys then you really need to bring some knowledge to the table
as it is your constant claims that Arabic is the first language are blatantly untrue
and iirc your religion instructs you to tell the truth about your religion at all times
so you're sinning everytime you say that
and you guys don't have a confession so you better watch your points score

As-salaam alaykum

Ups, you are being rude.

Knowledge is made by men, and Allah created men. Why should people play the game with someone who claimed themselves big while people have Allah?

By the way, for sure the last language will be Arabic! You can smell that, don't you.

By the way, for sure the last language will be Arabic! You can smell that, don't you

i smell something
but it isn't Arabic

Originally posted by Marduk
i smell something
but it isn't Arabic

What will it be then?

Perhaps what you smelled must be Arabica coffee, the best of the best.

okay so youre saying that the first langauge was Arabic
that makes you a fundamentalsit like i said earlier
your claim that the last language will be Arabic makes you a militant fundamentalist as well as very Naive
and your claim that what I am smelling is Arabica coffee makes you a poor conneisseur and a little slow on the uptake
besides everyone knows that Brazilian is the best


[edit on 18-1-2007 by Marduk]

It would be illogical if the first language was Arabic from my muslim standpoints.

Why?

Because there is no such thing in the qu'ran that states its the first language. Just because it was written in arabic doesnt mean allah spoke to adam in arabic.

Everyone who knows the Qu'ran reasonably well knows that the Qu'ran is scientifically correct. The only so called scientific flaws are translation flaws. You can say how do you know for sure that the translation you know is correct? Simply because it fitts much better with the rest of the qu'ran.

I originally wrote a very long post describing the evolution of Classical Arabic from Proto-Arabic, of which we have inscriptions from before the time of Mahammad in the Arab Peninsula.

But suffice it to say that people who are satisfied with the revelation that Arabic is "God's Language" have nothing to add to this discussion, other than that others should agree with them.

And, as has been pointed out, the fact that Allah thinks in a specific language is a separate question from how humans acquired the many languages spoken today, and which of them is oldest.

Interestingly, the Hebrew scriptures say that God created Adam, and presented the animals to Man, to see what he (the man) would name them. [Genesis 2:19]. Of course, Islamists believe that the Hebrew scriptures are true

. . . at any rate, this shows the Divine mind interested in the question of what words humans will use. An intriguing thought, that God is more interested in what we would call things, instead of just "telling" us what they are named.

For those interested in a deductive explanation of the evolution of Arabic, Wikipedia is a good place to start.

All the best.

This first language will definitely have origins in Africa, (east to be exact) but i have no idea what they could have possibly spoken back then...


That takes Latin out of the picture. (referring to post in beginning of thread)

[edit on 29-1-2007 by nur23_you55ouf]