Imagine a world without Israel!

Originally posted by truthseeka
I think the world would be a much better place without Zionists.

I wish SOMEONE would blow every dirty stinkin Zionist off the face of the planet. It would be great if we could leave the people of Israel intact in the process.

And for you people saying "you want to kill all the Jews," get the f outta here. People from all 3 Abrahamic religions inhabit Israel.

I second that. Problem is people always seem to think/assume

Jews = Zionist/Israeli

The same as they like to equate

Muslims = Arabs = Terrorists

They're not the same. Not all Jews are Zionists, not all Arabs are Muslims, not all Muslims are Arabs and certainly not all Muslims are terrorists. In fact, "Muslim terrorists" are just muslim by name. It just so happened that they were given an Arab name at birth and are supposedly muslims coz they're parents were muslims (or so they say). Or they were converted to "muslims" by unscrupulous "imams" who are just using them as pawns in their political games.

Get it? Just muslim by name. God decreed that you go straight to Jahannam (the lowest pits of Hell) if you commit suicide. And you definitely will spend some time in Hell if you kill innocents and non-combatants.

Fools. Led to the way-side by "Spiritual Leaders" and "Imams" that will also be spending quite a long time in Hell. To Hell with them all. [/rant]

Anyway back on topic, I think it'd be better if Zionist Israel didn't exists. A non-Zionist Israel, I suppose that's ok, maybe. To me it seems like Zionists are just as bad/brutal/intolerable as "muslim" terrorists. If I had any doubts about that before, they're gone after reading a lot of the posts by that camp here of late coupled with the destruction of Lebanon etc. etc. whatever you get my drift..

Its never too late to fix a mistake. And that is what forming the state of Israel in the way it was done was.. it was a mistake doing it the way they did it.

AFTER WW2 the newly formed UN should have HELD ON to that land, concidering THAT "HOLY" LAND had been fought over for 2000 years (give or take) they should have started our new post WW2 world off by making that land the UNs world wide HQ (instead of NY) .. and making the entire region a "world city" .. welcome to EVERYONE. I think there should have been a small region (basically the same area that was drawn up in the first place before the wars Israel started) made up specifically for each religion, and any disputed sites would have just been placed under UN authority and organised so that EVERYONE would be able to have equal status in the disputed areas (for example Jerusalem). The land would have belonged to everyone and no one at the same time. There also should have been refugee camps set up in advance of future world problems, and this way the world religions could have come together by helping those who perhaps had also just lost their homes. For the first time in 2000 years we could have had peace there in the Holy Land and all because the entire would would have forced these religions to get along. No army would have been nessesary for one groups to have, they'd be under the protection of the UN from now on.. on that land.


I think the bigger question should be, since so many people even back then knew it was going to be a bad idea, why hasn't anything been done to correct the issue (well we know why really)?


I think everyone is going to be seriously disapointed shortly, when we'll find out that a world without Israel is a fact. I think Iran CAN and WILL take it out and after Israel throws some nukes around from its sub fleet to get revenge, and those subs are taken out.. you'll see that a world without Israel, isn't any better a world really. But it will be a fact anyways. I think its over played its hand. It doesn't realize that the whole Holocaust thing doesn't work with people anymore, and its got very little support right now for the actions its taking in the region.


The thing is really.. what WOULD it take to take it out? Not much. Its a small piece of land really and those neighbouring countries have been plotting its downfall for a very long time now, I think its time is up. A little VX nerve gas perhaps? Two or three nukes in its most populated areas? This is not a lot to get together for a nation like Iran.

I'm just wondering.. when or if it comes down on Israel, and there is little it can do to retaliate.. (or little reason to other then revenge) ..will the world be angry at who ever did it?


Or will the world just go on?


BTW, about the Knesset.. I mean, when you read stuff like this...

www.ety.com...

..does it surprise you?


-VMX

Originally posted by warthog911

Originally posted by Essan


If you truely want a peaceful world imagine one in which mankind does not exist ....

united as humans but divided by religion.Mankind is a very peacful race but those who are controlling mankind(illuminati) are war mongorers.If you look back at history wars have been fought on 1 thing=religion. and these are the guys who created religion in the first place.Of course i can go even deeper about the illuminati but this is a political forum not alien\ufo forum(got my picture

)

umm, no
wars have been fought over political power and land
cesar, constantene, napoleon, hitler, bush and other presidents
all of them fought wars for power and control, not in the name of religion
bush wages his war in fear of being attacked

the illuminatti do not control humanity, if anything they finance small but powerful parts of world governments giving them great suggestive ability but no real power.

and if you insist they do have control over humanity it is solely because YOU personally giftwraped and handed it to them

i am free, and i will die free

Originally posted by Vis Major X
[...]
BTW, about the Knesset.. I mean, when you read stuff like this...
www.ety.com...
..does it surprise you?
-VMX

[edit on 21-7-2006 by Nygdan]

[edit - many apologies, I hit 'quote' when I mean to hit reply, please send me your reply via u2u and i will edit it back in -nygdan]

[edit on 21-7-2006 by Nygdan]

[edit - no worries. you sorta replied my question in the posts that follows. all is well ]

[edit on 21-7-2006 by Beachcoma]

truthfully though, not sticking up for them, if they were not around, for some reason I am led to believe that the people in that region would still be looking for someone else to fight with.

No argument there. One of the reasons Allah sent Muhammad there was because the Arabs were Jahil (ignorant, corrupt, ... hard to explain). I heard/read somewhere they were so messed up even the Romans decided NOT to conquer them.

Seems like it's back to square one after the fall of the Abbassid Empire.

Originally posted by Vis Major X
BTW, about the Knesset.. I mean, when you read stuff like this...

www.ety.com...

..does it surprise you?


-VMX

Greetings, and thank you. I was just wondering, can you confirm if the quote from the Talmud on the Knesset building I posted is accurate, or if it is even on the building?

If it is, then these people can go and # themselves. What goes around comes around.

imagine a world cold and dead in the wake of a nuclear holocost!
a light green glow on the horizon
the crust of the earth burned black
all the oceans pale grey
truly a peaceful world would it be right?

wrong, as peace is a meaningful strugle against chaos, chaos and disorder being the natural state of all things

therefor if there is nothing left to keep struggling, then peace is lost and all that is left is chaos

it is a very intricate study, chaos verses peace
you must master such concepts as these:
without day there is no night
there is no unit of cold, only units of heat
there is an absolute 0, the point at wich things can not get less warm, 0 warmth
there is NOT an absolute heat, things can always get hotter
you can not travel at a negative speed, only a negative velocity

once you have mastered these concepts you can realize my point
just as the lack of a candle's heat is cold
the lack of the struggle for peace is chaos

if there were no israel we would still be at war in iraq because they attacked the kurds, not jews, back some 15 years ago

hitler would have still risen to power as nazi leader as israel didn't exist yet

oil would still be hitting 3$ a gallon because we are near peak-oil, there's not much oil left, maybe 50 years if we're very lucky

idiots like those asking what if israel did not exist, they would just ask what if there were no america or no europe, "what if nazi germany won?" they would ask, "what if there were no blacks?"

hitler didn't just kill jews you know, anyone who wasn't white died as well.

i find it sick and disturbing that people ask what if israel didn't exist and, without even thinking, believe all the worlds problems would be solved

take yourself and your nazi propaganda elsewhere!

[edit on 21-7-2006 by wondernut]

Courtesy Is Mandatory

I know tempers are flaring and Internet discussion of what's happening in the Middle East tends to mirror the bitterness expressing itself in bloodshed, but let's please remember that we've all promised to honor the T&C.

As difficult as it may be to stay cool in times like these, doing so is necessary if we are ever to make sense of any of this.

Try your best, at least, and if it's too much, there's no shame in giving yourself a break from the madness.

Originally posted by warthog911
this is not an anti sematic but anti zionist.I am not blaming jews but zionist.The jews have been taken over by zionists.The entire israeli[jews] pulblic has been held ransom by thier govt(zionists,rotchchilds)

Taking that NOONE ever prooved the Zionist really exist...this post to me is nothing but neo-nazistic crap, disguised as "hystorical fact" perhaps.

Imagine a world without ppl that think like you ... that would definetly be A LOT BETTER !

I am ashamed of belonging to a genaration of cowards like the ones I see today. Cowardly ppl who rather blame the victim than stand up against the agressors.

Israel has been under Islamic attack for thousands of years.. there was once a generation of ppl who fought against this and kicked the nazis and the islamic terrorists back to the gutter where they belong. But nowaday... nahhh... its all a bunch of cowards, who will bend-over to the agressors like a brand new "snow flake" in prison.

Nowadays generation (unfortunelty... my generation) prefers to blame this all mess in "zionists" that noone ever saw .. or even knows if they exist for sure... anti-semetic propaganda.. and my generation eats it like candy... and why .. because as i said before they are COWARDS. They don't have the guts to stand up against fanatical muslims, because of fear... because if you speak against them, they may just come around and cutt your head off... but if you cuddle up in a corner, wag your tail at them and blame it all on "the jews and the zionists" they will be your buddies.

Edit: Insults removed. Please read this.

[edit on 21-7-2006 by intrepid]

Thinly, thinly veiled anti-semitism.
Zionism, just a proxy term for when you don't want to
come right out and present yourself as an anti-semite.

Convenient, but not really the best way to hide your true feelings about jews..

[edit on 21-7-2006 by spacedoubt]

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


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Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

If the world continues on in its mad quest for World War III there will be another holocaust, but it won't be against the Jews.

I'm not a coward, I will stand up for what I believe in no matter how many murder-sympathizers hate me for it.

Originally posted by Vis Major X
[...]
BTW, about the Knesset.. I mean, when you read stuff like this...
www.ety.com...
..does it surprise you?
-VMX

That site looks to be a hate-monger supply site. CHeck out the rest of the links. "rare books" indeed, they're selling books the are intended to fuel anti-semitism, anti-black, white supremeacy and national socialism.

Originally posted by Nygdan

That site looks to be a hate-monger supply site. CHeck out the rest of the links. "rare books" indeed, they're selling books the are intended to fuel anti-semitism, anti-black, white supremeacy and national socialism.

Are you suprised. This topic draws the Protocols of Zion crowd everytime. Feels like we a being storm fronted again. Nygdan, I have never called for a thread to be locked, and I will not do so now, but I would not shed a tear if this one was deleted.

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Israel has been under Islamic attack for thousands of years.. there was once a generation of ppl who fought against this and kicked the nazis and the islamic terrorists back to the gutter where they belong[...]

What did I just say about NOT equating Arabs with Muslims? You think Muslims from, I dunno, say Funan in China went all the way to the mid-east thousands of years ago to fight Israel (which mind you didn't exist for thousands of years)?

We're certainly not going to close a threat because it is unpopular, or because unpopular sentiments have been expressed, or because people have, probably unintentionally, used hate monger sites in the course of the discussion.

And certainly, its not, in and of itself, anti-semitic to wonder if Israel should even exist in the first place, or what the repurcussions of its existence are.

Indeed, the discussion has shown that, despite the original claims to the contrary, eliminating Israel will not solve the world's problems.

Originally posted by Beachcoma

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Israel has been under Islamic attack for thousands of years.. there was once a generation of ppl who fought against this and kicked the nazis and the islamic terrorists back to the gutter where they belong[...]

What did I just say about NOT equating Arabs with Muslims? You think Muslims from, I dunno, say Funan in China went all the way to the mid-east thousands of years ago to fight Israel (which mind you didn't exist for thousands of years)?

Muslims in China Thousands of years ago ????? ROFL !!!

China has existed for 4 thousands years ... at least, the Islamic religion only showed up a "couple" of thousands of years later... Study some Histroy and stop making a fool of yourself. Wanna have your brainwashed, choose a better subject.

You know NOTHING about Islamic History, so Study it, before you walk around spreading nonsense and anti-semetic hate.

Am I now to be called 'Anti-semitic' just for asking whether translated verses from the Talmud I found on the internet are accurate or not?

I stand firmly by what I said if they are accurate.

Originally posted by BaastetNoir

Originally posted by warthog911
this is not an anti sematic but anti zionist.I am not blaming jews but zionist.The jews have been taken over by zionists.The entire israeli[jews] pulblic has been held ransom by thier govt(zionists,rotchchilds)

Taking that NOONE ever prooved the Zionist really exist...this post to me is nothing but neo-nazistic crap, disguised as "hystorical fact" perhaps.

Israel has been under Islamic attack for thousands of years.. there was once a generation of ppl who fought against this and kicked the nazis and the islamic terrorists back to the gutter where they belong. But nowaday... nahhh... its all a bunch of cowards, who will bend-over to the agressors like a brand new "snow flake" in prison.

Nowadays generation (unfortunelty... my generation) prefers to blame this all mess in "zionists" that noone ever saw .. or even knows if they exist for sure... anti-semetic propaganda.. and my generation eats it like candy... and why .. because as i said before they are COWARDS. They don't have the guts to stand up against fanatical muslims, because of fear... because if you speak against them, they may just come around and cutt your head off... but if you cuddle up in a corner, wag your tail at them and blame it all on "the jews and the zionists" they will be your buddies.

Edit: Insults removed. Please read this.

[edit on 21-7-2006 by intrepid]

Can you believe this guy/girl?

Wow. Ha ha ha, this was really funny. I LOVE how you ignored the Christian persecution of Jews, including the Christian slaughter of Jews during the Crusade. You would have us all believe that them A-rabs are the only ones who have killed Jews.

Then, you say Zionists don't exist?



I guess you've never heard of encyclopedias, huh? Or you missed it where the Zionists THEMSELVES mention Zionism. Get real.

I'm DEFINITELY sure you're unaware that very rich Jews helped fund the evil Nazis you railed agaisnt in that tirade (not to mention that the group who was supposed to rescue the Jews dying in Europe wouldn't do it with their own cake...)

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