Imagine a world without Israel!

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posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 07:42 AM
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this is not an anti sematic but anti zionist.I am not blaming jews but zionist.The jews have been taken over by zionists.The entire israeli[jews] pulblic has been held ransom by thier govt(zionists,rotchchilds)



usa.mediamonitors.net...
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# 1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World.
# 2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network.
# 3. Gasoline would be selling for less than $1 a gallon.
# 4. There would have been no 9/11.



All israel war news
rense.com...




Israel children sending gifts to lebanon children


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lebanon children recieving them
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The creation and destruction of israel according to the BIBLE CODES


israel's creation

israel's destruction 2006
armageddon


SO this year is going to be a very bumpy year for the middle east.

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posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 07:44 AM
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Adding more info...

Israel was created by the Rothschilds...

www.sweetliberty.org...

They call Baron Edmond de Rotschild the "father of the jewish settlement". Without the Rotschilds, Israel would've never existed. Pretty Ironic that Paul Warburg, who is a close partner of the Rotschilds was one of those financing Hitler.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 07:46 AM
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I think it'd be great! There'd be alot less conflict in the middle east, the US wouldnt have to stick it's nose into the area to protect the Israelies in return for oil from the area. The arabs wouldnt be getting upset at America having double standards between the jews and arabs, global terrorism (or so they say) would not have taken off and the world would be a far quiter place than the crap we have now.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 07:49 AM
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Imagine a world without Muslim terrorists..............

Innocent men women and children would not be bombed in Iraq.

Innocent Christian/Jews/Muslims would not be bombed in Israel.

Innocent Russian children and teachers would not be killed

Innocent philipine women and children would not be killed.

In Africa-innocent women and children would not be killed.

Are you seeing a pattern applying here?

Perhaps instead of wondering what the world would be like if Islamic terrorists killed every Jewish person on the earth, try to imagine p-peace in a world without Muslim terrorists!


[edit on 7/21/2006 by mrmonsoon]



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
I think it'd be great!


Let me understand your sentiment here, are you advocating the annhilation of the state of Israel?

Or the extermination of the Jews?

Or both?

This thread is nutz. How about "Imagine a world without Arabia".

Or better yet "Imagine a world without Australia".

sheesh, I hope I didn't violate any forum rules here, but c'mon, this is loony. Gotta be about the most racist thing I've read on ATS for a spell.....



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Imagine a world without Muslim terrorists..............
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Its saying like imagine a world without jews(I said zionists who created israel to stir up an hornests nest)
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Innocent men women and children would not be bombed in Iraq.
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The Israeli Lobby’s “unmatched power” over the U.S.’ foreign policy, for over four decades, would not had existed if israel was not created thus there would have been nor war in the first place
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Innocent Christian/Jews/Muslims would not be bombed in Israel.
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blame illuminati,zionists for this
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Innocent Russian children and teachers would not be killed
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Again religion was created to control the masses by the illuminati
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Innocent philipine women and children would not be killed.
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same as above
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In Africa-innocent women and children would not be killed.
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same as above
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Are you seeing a pattern applying here?
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yes my pattern
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Perhaps instead of wondering what the world would be like if Islamic terrorists killed every Jewish person on the earth, try to imagine p-peace in a world without Muslim terrorists!
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You mean imagine a world without zionists,illuminati,masons


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posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:00 AM
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I don't think anyone is advocating killing Jews or destroying Israel.

It's a hypothetical question: what would the world be like if an artifical jewish state had not been created in the Middle East? Was it in retrospect a big mistake? Would the world be much more peaceful?

Or would there just been some other lodestone for religious and ethnic intolerance?

My guess is that whilst the conflicts would be different, they would still exist.

If you truely want a peaceful world imagine one in which mankind does not exist ....



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by Essan


If you truely want a peaceful world imagine one in which mankind does not exist ....


united as humans but divided by religion.Mankind is a very peacful race but those who are controlling mankind(illuminati) are war mongorers.If you look back at history wars have been fought on 1 thing=religion. and these are the guys who created religion in the first place.Of course i can go even deeper about the illuminati but this is a political forum not alien\ufo forum(got my picture
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posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:03 AM
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no warthog, I don't

I mean exactly what I said.

"Imagine a world without Muslim terrorists..............

Innocent men women and children would not be bombed in Iraq.

Innocent Christian/Jews/Muslims would not be bombed in Israel.

Innocent Russian children and teachers would not be killed

Innocent philipine women and children would not be killed.

In Africa-innocent women and children would not be killed. "

You said it like imagine a world without jews-it is like saying imagine a world without musliums-but you probably wouldn't like the sound of that.

The next one is just plain funny-blaming Israel for Muslium terrorists killing other muslims in Iraq-Now thats funny stuff.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
I think it'd be great!


Considering the anti-Jewish crap you've been spilling on this board I'm not
surprised at all that you'd find this thread and make this statement.


IMAGINE THIS YA'LL - Imagine a world in which Israel is allowed to have it's
tiny spit of land and live in peace without any muslim terrorists killing them
daily.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:09 AM
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jews are against this war.Thier religion has been hijacked.Why wont the media (cnn,bbc0 report on anti war demonstration and why wont israeli govt allow anti war protest
www.haaretz.com...

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posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Essan
Would the world be much more peaceful?

No. You answered that question when you asked this one -


Or would there just been some other lodestone for religious and ethnic intolerance?


Just because the Jews wouldn't be in their small Jewish state would not mean
an end to the violence. If the radical muslims got their way and Israel disappeared
in a fireball, they would then turn their attention elsewhere to hate something or
someone else - probably 'infidel' Europe and 'infidel' America.

Heck .. if 'infidel' Europe and 'infidel' America disappeared then they'd turn the
hate inward and start hating different groups within Islam. We see that now in
Iraq.

Having Israel disappear wouldn't change a thing in regards to violence.
Everyone has to hate someone. It's just the way it works. Take away the
object of hate and people will find something else to take it's place.


[edit on 7/21/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by warthog911
jews are against this war.

TV news is reporting that everyone across the board in Israel approves and
supports this war. They say that the left, the right, the center ... ALL support it.
That's what TV news is saying ...


why wont israeli govt allow anti war protest


Perhaps it's a safety thing. Having a group of Israelis together in the open makes
a very inticing target for one of those shrapnel filled rockets that Hezbollah is
raining down haphazardly upon Israel.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Yes. And it's worth remembering that there are many, many conflicts around the world which have nothing to do with Israel.

And I agree that without Israel, extremists muslims would still hate the west just as much - Israel is just used as an excuse.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:27 AM
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This thread is just the 'new bar in town' for all the anti-Israel and (closet?) anti-semites to hang out at.

"Wouldn't the world be better without Israel or the Jews?" has been asked for centuries, as if that alone would make all the world's problems go away.

No, the solution to the world's problems would be to make the people that hate go away - including the ones hiding out in this thread.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by Essan

And I agree that without Israel, extremists muslims would still hate the west just as much - Israel is just used as an excuse.


Confilct is another thing but perpetual war is totally another game.Cuz of israel the U.S is also targetted.Read my first post.Islamic extremesim only started after the 1980's afganistan war in which the CIA funded taliban and made osama bin laden.NOw israel took advantage of this and made the world look like it was assaulted by muslim extremists and btw major terror attacks can only be done by the govt(mossad) and the avg islamic terrorist is not even 12th grade pass.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:31 AM
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Not wanting to start a fight here, but threads like these only lead to hatred.

There is good and bad in everyone reguardless of race.



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
This thread is just the 'new bar in town' for all the anti-Israel and (closet?) anti-semites to hang out at.


Don't worry, I'm going to start a thread criticisng Italy - specially for all the Christian haters


But seriously, what's wrong with speculative reimagining of historic events? And why do some people still think that criticism of Israel makes you an anti-semite?

Discussed properly this is a very interesting, and relevant, topic. Had Israel not been created how different would the world be today? Would it be better? Or might it even be worse?



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Essan
[But seriously, what's wrong with speculative reimagining of historic events? And why do some people still think that criticism of Israel makes you an anti-semite?

Discussed properly this is a very interesting, and relevant, topic. Had Israel not been created how different would the world be today? Would it be better? Or might it even be worse?


The previous poster had it right when they said these threads seem to only lead to hatred. That's what's wrong with them. They are often one-sided and are rarely "discussed properly". I've been looking through the latest crop of these anti-Israel/anti-Jew threads this morning and I've yet to see one where the topic is being "properly discussed".

Seems like just new places for people to spout their prejudice against a certain people/religion - as they have for centuries.

[edit on 7/21/2006 by centurion1211]



posted on Jul, 21 2006 @ 08:54 AM
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what i dont understand... is how did the Israelies manage to stay together as a people for so long without belonging to one nation. They lived in all sorts of countries but still refered to themselves as jewish.

people that leave other countries come to my country and call themselves canadian, and they should, this is now their nation too. But how come the Jewish never called themselves german or Austrian or polish of anything other than Jewish. What is so special about being Jewish?

I would say that the middle east would be better off without Israel, no one there wants them there, and for their own reasons. The Jews knew what they were getting into when they chose that region. Why not africa? why not any other place?
Oh ya.... they want Jerusilam... still.

Israel is not the problem. It is Religion, always has been.

More blood has been spilled in the name of god than all other conflicts put together.





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