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Originally posted by Liberal1984
2. Do the American people really support the war that’s going on? I wonder if many still believe that, it’s a case of Israel retrieving a few kidnapped soldiers?
As from July 18th: Israeli deaths totalled 25. But Lebanese were over 250.
That is in spite of the hundreds of inaccurate Soviet Union era rockets fired into Israel by Hezbollah militants. I believe so far at least 300 civilians have died (according to the TV).
Originally posted by The Vagabond
When John Walsh says that one of America's most wanted might be in the Pittsburg Area, do you want to bomb his appartment building and accept all of the innocents as collateral damage?
Unless you can say that the Palestinian government has had an operational role in every attack thats ever resulted in Israel bombing their territory, you have no grounds to believe that Israel should be hitting them this much.
2. Israel may be worth a little loose change. Probably not as much as we give them, but they're worth some. They make a good contingency plan for the stuff hitting the fan in that volatile and important region.
The fact that evangelicals have been duped into the belief that America must support Israel at all costs is disgusting.
Our willingness to turn a blind eye to Israel's nuclear weapons program has cost us the diplomatic credibility we need to deal with other nuclear threats in the region.
If we went to the Sunni nations and said, "hey, we kept Israel disarmed back in the 60s, and now we need you to get on board with us and keep Iran disarmed too" we'd have some support.
America SHOULD have a relationship with Israel, but let's not forget who's the pimp and who's the ho.
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
Depends. Are there people in the apartment building with rocket launchers, shooting at the police?
The Palestinian government? You mean Hammas? Would I say they've had an operational role in EVERY attack?
Why, no. The PLO used to do some, too. And Hezbollah.
So I guess you're right. Israel shouldn't be reacting, if Hammas only does SOME of the bombings. Since the bombings are done by multiple attackers, then I guess that really no one should be held accountable.
no state is worth the foreign aid that gets lavished on them by a kick-back controlled congress.
The pan-islamist movement wasn't going to grant us any "diplomatic credibility" anyway, until our flag is green.
personally, I doubt it. But, I can at least imagine such a scenario.
With our rather one-sided history of espionage, I tremble to wonder who the ho might turn out to be . . .
Originally posted by The Vagabond
Mmm red herring. Got any tartar sauce to go with that?
Give me an honest answer: are you saying that Israel has NEVER blamed the Palestinian government for the actions of a lone gunman?
Are you telling me that isolated radicals have NEVER foiled the peace process, but that it has always been a matter of the Palestinian government agreeing to deals that it didn't want, just to turn around and centrally plan the failure of them only a day later?
If you don't consciously know that you're twisting me words then I'm concerned that this will never go anywhere. You probably know... so I'm concerned that this will never go anywhere. Gee, lose-lose, why do I bother?
I don’t know what kind of appeasement you'd recommend, but I know what hasn't worked in the past.
"The PLO under the leadership of Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini was run much like a western organization. Arafat was viewed as a freedom fighter and was loved by the Palestinians. He was a threat to the very existence of Isreal. Arafat amassed a fortune through Arab charities and many shady deals including drug trafficing. He was almost Machiavellian in his tactics. In the media he looked like a shy, mousy fearful leader who was desperately trying to hold off this super state named Israel. This made him a darling in the eyes of the media."
Originally posted by Nygdan
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Do you really think that the US would be better off with an islamist palestine sitting in its stead? Do you really think that if there had never been an Isreal that muslims the world over would be lovely dovey with america? Heck no. Isreal is a liberal democracy, so of course its worth the cost.
Originally posted by Rasputin44
Israel under the Likud party has thrown gasoline on this powderkeg since the beginning
and now that some of them like Hezbollah are fighting back they will wipe out everyone
in the region including civilians.
Originally posted by Liberal1984
Dr-strangecraft
I don’t know what kind of appeasement you'd recommend, but I know what hasn't worked in the past.
The reason why you don’t know what kind of appeasement I would recommend is because I don’t recommend any. But I am a little annoyed at the ferocity of Israel’s attacks against things like airports, and dare I say power stations? It’s a kind of warfare (conducted under the banner of fighting terrorism) that I suspect-hope most Americans don’t support (especially as it is almost destined to create more terrorist recruits).
You also imagine that Israel's aims are to annex territory. Yet most recently, Israel ceded the Gaza strip, and communities in the West Bank, even dragging its own citizens away to give the land over to Hammas.