Uk Prepares To Attack Syria & Iran

Ure confusing the Uk for uncle sam, we dont invade sorveign countries for no reason, + the Uk palarment will never sign off on a pre emptive strike. Blair got enough flack for iraq, and if want to keep his job, we the uk public want to see some hard proof of why we need to put our boy in harms way again. when we are already dying in iraq and afghanistan . we are undermanned , underfunded and under equiped thanks to our beloved goverment.

the reason for the aircraft carriers and the troop ship are to get our people out, and if hezbollah or israel wants to argue about, let them argue with some royal marines commando's then we shall see if irsael is the big i am and hezbollah rnt that silly to argue with some real soilders.




[edit on 17/7/06 by snakebite]

[edit on 17/7/06 by snakebite]

Everybody here seems to forget that Israël created Hamas. Also, they seems to forget that the soldiers that are now POW by Hizbollah were inside Lebanese territory, not Israël territory, so those facts are very important.

Originally posted by snakebite
Ure confusing the Uk for uncle sam, we dont invade sorveign countries for no reason

For some reason the quote "the sun never sets on the British Empire" comes to mind. J/k that was a very long time ago .

First post here in ages, ATS surely has grown in the past several years. Love reading the debates in here.

I think this will flare up a bit, but nothing too bad, hopefully. Israel has had skirmishes with its neighbors every 10 years or so for ages. However, tensions between Israel and Iran have never been this high, so this could be different. Also, i'm sure most of you have heard the rhetoric of Iran's President towards Israel. Seems like he's itching for Israel to attack Syria, and even Bush/Israel seem itching for Syria to attack Israel. We shall see. Interesting times in this crazy world. It's been goin on for thousands of years - it's not gonna stop now.

But seeing how Iran's partially built-by-US Military has been lacking supplies for years, how effective of an attack; missles aside; do you guys think they could pose to Israel? Imagine if the US and UK did invade Iran though. Iran is MUCH larger than Iraq, and many of them do hate the "Infidels", and would probably fight with more unity and vigor than the Iraqis have been.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Personally I would not support even a mention of the US sending aid to Israel, be it financial, supply, or troops, its their war let them fight it. They’re talking about attacking Syria, well let them, the US shouldn’t get dragged in the conflict no matter how hard the Jewish lobby in Washington presses. They’ve tried to drag us in one their wars before with the USS Liberty incident and I wouldn’t put it past them to try something like that again.

You have voted WestPoint23 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

You can't compare Israel and its backing from America to Hezbola and its backing from Syria. They are David and Goliath.

Israel has a massive military with tanks, artillery, state-of-the-art aircraft and everything right up to and including nuclear weapons. They get $billions in mostly military aid from the US.

Hezbola are a tiny resistance group fighting the Israeli regime's illegal occupation and oppression. They get the odd shipment of rockets.

Let's keep this in perspective.



[edit on 18-7-2006 by oilwar]

did anyone else read what Putin said at the G8 summit:

"We condemn any terrorist act including hostage-taking but we have the impression that besides the return of its abducted soldiers, Israel is pursuing other, wider goals,"

i like it when someone says whats on most of our minds. Especially a leader like Putin

Originally posted by Kurnas
So, if as you say the US and EU shouldn't get involved in this conflict, then they shouldn't tell us how to run our OWN independent country, and they shouldn't tell us what we can and cant do to protect the life's and welfare of the citizens in our own suborn territory,

And they should stop robbing iraqi banks and trying to free their own soldiers whiling killing innocent iraqi's, and then claiming that WE murder children.

Talk is cheap, come to Israel, I wanna see you having the guts to live here,
Being bombed by rockets and hoping you will live to see the next bus stop alive.

America will stop telling Israel what to do when American taxpayers stop paying billions for Israel to purchase weapons. Until then...

If you believe in a revolution, you either succeed or Die.
And the end, Israelis are occupiers.
I like the way sharron fell into a coman that still to this day cripples his mind. And this new bloke whom no one knew nothing about all of a sudden decide to erect walls around sections of Israel that sharron NEVER planned on walling.
HE seems very dramatic and decided on his plans.

But why have 20 of your soilders/citizens killed, and 120 of your enemies civilians killed to save 2 men?
Hezbollah already denied shooting the IRANIAN made missles
And the Israeli war ship that was attacked has been hushed up very quickly. They claim a Hezbollah Drone flew a missle into the vessel..
Yet there’s conflicting reports of the scale of damage..

Did hezbollah hit the ship with a relatively advanced flying drone? This terrorist organisation?
Or did Israel hit them selves, to convince the world hezbollah are CAPABLE of hitting sea vessels?

Hezbollah have been saying since day one they have a lot of surprises… propaganda?
I think its clear Israel are going the whole hog now to eliminate them for good. Being they’ve fired Syrian and Iranian missles at Israel ,its clear they have the support and munitions from various arab states.
Too much of a proxy force?

The US really doesn’t want a 3rd front. Afghanistan and Iraq are going very badly, set to only get worse. That’s why they are pressuring Israel NOT To go on IRAN, because the US economy cant afford it (already going bankrupt) there soilders morale is plummeting, and basically no one trusts them now. Not even there own citizens.
Chenney stated years ago if another attack happened inside the US , regardless who it was originating from, they would strike IRAN. What a stupid thing to say.

Deep down, I think Israel have decided they don’t need the US anymore. We’ve been giving them billions for years, and copious amounts of technology.
But the US is a known backer and have steadfastly stood by Israel through many wars.
So in the worlds eyes, if the US doesn’t back up Israel, they will look like a beaten nation.
Israel believe they have the power to win any war with any country, so long as they are the ONLY ones holding the nukes.
Iran is steaming towards a nuclear bomb, Iran have a major military force, and all the US carriers, war ships, and so forth are sitting in that little stretch of water in the gulf.

The pieces are in place for a surprise attack to beat the US, and Israel.
Imagine how those 150,000 plus soidlers in Iraq feel?
Having to sleep and live behind 20ft concrete walls in the green zone, knowing if they venture outside those walls chances are some Iraqi will kill them. And rightly so.
But knowing the entire Iranian army is only x amount of miles across the border, with all those missles must be a scary thought.
That’s a long drive to kuwait to be rescued by your ships.
Especially when your armoured force cant leave Baghdad due to all the IEDs setup on the route out.

But would GORE of done any better?
Some say this whole thing has been planned since the days of Clinton.

I mean bush didn’t win the election.
The white house NEW 911 was coming
And it was plainfully obvious there wasn’t any WMD’s in IRAQ.
Was Iran the target the whole time?
Iraq was the foothold for the military adventure..

Did they think after flogging Iraq in 91, they would be able to steamroll back in 11yrs later,
Thinking the Iraqi people would cheer and parade at the thought of saddam being removed?
Not expecting this much trouble for this amount of time?

Who knows.
Unfortunately no one knows.
Accept we are all being taken along for the ride.

The only certain thing is there’s a lot of US military hardware in the gulf, there’s going to be a lot of UK hardware off Lebanon, and there’s plenty of US citizens in Beirut
Should one stray missle, one rogue extremeist decide to attack any of them, it will get interesting very quickly.

From the original poster.

The UK isn't going to attack anyone. The ships that have been sent are there to evacuate up to 80,000 British ex-patriots.

If the OP knew anything about the size and capabilities of British Forces he/she would know that we aren't physically capable of invading anyone except as part of a larger coalition force, and certainly not at the moment with the troops that are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Illustrious carries the following usual aircraft compliment - 3 AEW Sea Kings, 9 ASW Sea Kings and 8 or 9 Sea Harriers. Do you honestly think that is enough to knock over the Iranian and Syrian Airforce?

Some people on here need to get a sense of perspective.

France chartered a ship and sent it to get French civillians. Poland has extracted people using buses into Syria.

But the UK is sending fighter-bombers and commandos! Two warships - so far!

And the US now has an initial assault force of over 2,200 Marines on the coast and that's just the tip of the iceberg!

Spot the difference! The Zionist alliance is sending a significant attack force, not an evacuation team.

These are assault forces not a small force to protect the evacuees.

And protect them from Whom anyay? Israel is an ally. She's not going to obstruct the evacuation of Westerners.

Why have thousands of Marines, fighter-bombers and attack ships? What for exactly? They're not needed for the evacuation.

So the military muscle must be for something else.


Wait and see...

The US, if it wants to remain safe, should cut it's losses with Israel, and stop any future and present NeoCon enterprise.

Israel thinks it can bomb the S# out of a country and two peoples for the sake of a few Israeli soldiers, and for the grudge match against Hezbollah, knowing they have the backing of the US, so it has come to pass. But how further will Israel's confidence take it? Syria? Iran?

The more this carries on with the US support, the more arrogant, the more reckless, and the more dangerous Israel will get.

Israel started as America's little base in The Middle East. Israel has grown from that into a monsterous entity, and still the US feed it, gorging it with military equipment, feeding it's arrogance and ego and sense that it is protected by God, and is on land that belongs to them, and only them, and not Palestinians as well, and can treat Palestinians like subhumans, and indeed Lebanese like subhumans, with their indiscriminate killing despite their advanced weaponry.

Israel is a feverish religious state driven by a sense it is fulfilling God's destiny....such actions have fuelled Palestinian extremists and Hezbollah in turn.

The EU is trying to get a co-ordinated effort together so that thay are helping each others nationals escape as much as possible, in this sort of situation military power is needed to protect the evacuation.

We have probably the most capable fleet in the EU and had sizeable numbers of ships within a reasonable distance, so its only natural that they would be some of the first on the scene to protect the evacuation efforts.

Its also common sense that if you have large ships nearby that can evacuate people effectively and quickly, you utilise them, the fact that they are military ships doesn't exclude them for assisting in the evacuation, it makes them more likely to be the ships that are used.

Israel is a feverish religious state driven by a sense it is fulfilling God's destiny

And so are Iran,Syria etc etc, even Saudi is religiously fanatical at times, but your post doesn't talk about the support most of them give Hezzbolah and other groups aginst Israel.

Both sides are in the wrong, but religious beleifs shouldn't be brought out in order to call for the destruction of a country, which is effectively what is happening.

I'm sorry but the posts by "Oilwar" are absolutely ridiculous.

The person has no concept of military operations and what is required to stage an attack.

Use some common sense and perspective, please.

Fulfilling God's destiny is actually a real worry.

Bush and the henchmen in his regime are fierce Christians and Jews with a solid belief in the Old Testament. Israel is obviously even more obsessed with God and prophecy.

Now there are some who believe that theres going to be a big battle, probably in the Middle East, at the end of which the Saviour is going to show up and reward the people who've been doing his work. And most people are content to let that happen by itself.

But what if you got an alliance of powerful religious people who believed these events to be overdue and have taken it upon themselves to accelerate the process in order to invite God back down here to save us?

We know these people actually believe that every species in the world, all of the millions of types of insect as well as every huge, dangerous animal and rare, hard-to-find creature, all got put on a boat by Noah. They believe Adam was made out of clay and Eve out of a rib. Forget about evolution and DNA. These people actually believe this fantasy with all their heart and soul.

Is it so hard to believe that they might also feel positive about the apocalyptic war that might bring the Messia to mankind?

Believe me, we have a perfect and carefully studied concept of the requirements for this sort of military operation, to the point where we could almost give you dates and locations.

Modern warfare does not require hoards of ground troops to pour in immediately. As we saw in Iraq, the enemy can be softened from a safe distance by pounding key targets with heavy artillery, bombs and missiles and weakening the resolve of the populace with civilian casualties and the disruption of food, medicine, power and water supplies - exactly what we're already seeing again in Lebanon.

Behind that you also have Special Ops. (You really think the SAS are sitting in Hereford and the US Navy Seals are all at home with their families right now?)

They've been in the region for weeks, I can assure you. When this all kicks of internationally (When the US, Britain, Commonwealth and other Zion-allies step in) their jobs will include sabotage, the destruction of missile sites and other defenses and using lasers to guide in huge bombs and missiles from nearby. As usual they will cooperate with their Israeli allies Mossad, who you can be damn sure are already very busy inside Syria and Iran, let alone Lebanon.

The fighter-bombers will hit very carefully chosen targets and support the SAS, SBS & Marines in their coastal and ground operations where needed. US Navy Seals and airborn forces will be supported by their own people. Once the ports and airfields are secured by the small contingent of Marines, Airborn and Special Forces in Lebanon, the rest will arrive in preparation for using Lebanon as the base from which to attack first Syria, then Iran. The role of the British Parachute Regiment will quickly become key because they can provide large numbers of crack assault troops fast and are as useful in a ground infantry role as they are delivering "Death from Above."

Don't take my word for it. Watch and see. You may even wish to make a copy of this message or better still the whole thread so you can see just how right we are.

[edit on 18-7-2006 by oilwar]

Originally posted by CIS001

And so are Iran,Syria etc etc, even Saudi is religiously fanatical at times, but your post doesn't talk about the support most of them give Hezzbolah and other groups aginst Israel.

That's because it's said often, and repeated often here and elsewhere, so I felt I did not need to point it out again, but yes you are right.

I was pointing out the other side, how Israel is also religiously driven.

Yes, Iran and Syria may well sponsor Hezbollah, and the Saudis support Hamas, but what is important here is that no moral ground can be be gained by the US pointing this out when they sponsor Israel and it religiously driven policies.

Originally posted by CIS001
Both sides are in the wrong, but religious beleifs shouldn't be brought out in order to call for the destruction of a country, which is effectively what is happening.

Indeed, and thus everybody should condemn the Israeli attempt at strangling and suffocating the Palestinians, and the destruction of Lebanon, fuelled by Israel's view that it's land will not be shared, and any Arab who opposes in guerilla tactics them warrants the destruction of Arab nations and peoples.

oilwar, you don't think if we were planning an attack on Iran we might be better off sending our ships into the Indian Ocean

But the UK is sending fighter-bombers and commandos! Two warships - so far!

Let Me Emphasis One more time, THE UK is not sending Bombers along with the Warships....

Can you provide a link to back up your above comment, The commandos are there to help evac the british and other nationals and to protect them, Not to Attack Syria, Jesus enough of the Scare tactics.

Here is the link as requested:

"HMS Illustrious has helicopters and fighter bombers on board, which again could be used ..."
news.bbc.co.uk...

So there you have it, the British Regime IS sending fighter-bombers, as well as attack helicopters, warships, hundreds of UK Marines, THOUSANDS of US Marines and other ATTACK elements already either in place or on their way. There are already plans to send much more.

Does this sound like an operation to pull people out of a country that is being bombed by Israel - one of our friendly allies? No. It is part of the preparations for the invasion of Lebanon then Syria then Iran by Israel and her "allies" (puppets.)


[edit on 18-7-2006 by oilwar]