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Did you take a survey amongst all the Black people in the United States in order to reach your findings regarding their use of the "n-word"? How do you know that Black people frequently use it more than White people? I would certainly love to know how you came to that conclusion.[edit on 2-7-2006 by ceci2006]
Originally posted by ceci2006
Again, notbuynit, I'm glad for you. I'm just saying that it isn't like all Black people throw it around willy nilly. Some do and some don't.
find it funny, however, whenever there is an explaination concerning derogatory words such as the "n-word", the first thing that comes up is "Black people say it more frequently than white people".
Now if someone said the "C-word" and the "H-word" for white people, would it ever cross your mind to ask if someone Black said that frequently White people called themselves "c---rs" and "h---ys" more than Black people do?
Originally posted by ceci2006
The Tony Snow thread is especially indicative lately of my bitterness concerning talks about race-relations.
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I asked whether anyone could find Ms. McKinney guilty of barring Whites from any social institution in her speeches, public policies and legislation. I wanted to know.
But, I don't give up. I continue the discussion no matter how many times people have told me to "grow a thick skin" and "find an instance of real racism".
I think that sometimes there are people who don't even "appreciate" the irony in this entire discussion no matter what side of the fence they sit on.
But the problem is that a White male said it. I would understand if people grew angry at Greg Palast for saying it.
But I don't understand why people supportive of "the author" ... use guilt by association to penalize Ms. McKinney regarding the words of another.
In fact, I don't even use the n-word and I'm Black.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Blah...Blah.....
wake up whitey your dreaming! any of you whites out there who think for one minute that the "we are all equal" ideology is shared by minorities because its the "truth" are living in la la land. Yes you can have most minorities parrot this ideology but only for the reason it leaves the people whose ancestors oppressed theirs at a disadvantage and is VERY beneficial to them. They can get jobs and social programs and money for college to improve their lives and climb to a position to oppress you and it will and is begining to happen.
I propose you take a step into the corrections system. It's what opened my eyes.
*SNIP*
Originally posted by df1
Mckinney being accused of racism by the closet bigots on ATS is laughable.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Sorry, but except for this response, I refuse to get sucked in by answering your question. To do so would only result in my being badgered "un-ceci-ingly" until like many others, I just turn and walk away (sound familiar?). Before you started posting your now classic "never mind her, what about these guys" deflection, there were some interesting things said, and I was considering adding my comments.
Your turn ...
Originally posted by ceci2006
Fair enough. I just don't use those terms because I don't like to say it. That has nothing to do with being adult or not. It's just a sign of respect. But if you don't have any respect and dignity for another person, then it is easier to use such derogatory language and throw it around. The same could be said for not having any dignity or respect for yourself.
And it has nothing to do with being around the block or not. It is a matter of politeness. Some people are not polite whenever they infer anything about race.
But on the whole, I prefer people who are honest and polite. But mostly honest.
notbuynit, you were honest and polite in your previous posts.
Perhaps, that is the problem when discussing Mr. Palast's words.
On the point of political parties: Both parties have made their use of Blacks. For the Republicans--right now they are using Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice in their attempt to be "color blind"
When you are attached to a party now, it is a part of ideology, personal beliefs and world view. Ms. McKinney has hers, no doubt. And she will have her detractors.
Originally quoted by notbuynit
Ummm, Gen. Powell is a proven leader who could've ran for prez and possibly won and Condi might be the smartest person on the planet. How many languages alone is she fluent in again? I hear stories from Republicans and Dems that when she enters a conversation, people shut up and listen. She's a very intelligent and strong black woman. Hey, wait a minute. Did I just say that? I sound like a freaking fem Nazi. Gotta stop drinking when I'm posting. Oh well, it's true so I'm not editing it. I'll just have to do something manly later like kill a grizzly with a toothpick or something. Humour aside, I do kind of take offense to your assertion that she is where she is solely based on her race and I believe she would also.
Originally posted by ceci2006
you are readily out to prove anyone a racist just by your low bar of determination of racist intent.
You don't take the complexities of racism. You just call anyone you please a racist. That's the problem.
And I said that Tony Snow (growing up in Kentucky, Ohio and Virginia) would not be immune from learning racial slurs.
What have you done on this thread to educate us about the use of "c---ercrat and Oreo?"
And who has explored the etymology of the word and its use in slang--by either race?
You need to learn that not everyone is going to see race the way you do. It doesn't mean that they are racist.
You give up too easily.
Shouldn't you try to be more understanding of others as well--especially when seeing Ms. McKinney's side of this issue?
Fair enough. But don't you think that Ms. McKinney worked her way up from the bottom as well? I think that the Georgia Congresswoman is also a strong, intelligent Black woman.
But is Ms. McKinney getting this criticism solely because she belongs to a ideology different from Dr. Rice and Gen. Powell?