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Originally posted by dbrandt
God is not at all satan, nor is satan God.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Then where do the evil tendencies of satan come from, if not in some way from god?
Are you saying that the evil exists from entirely outside of god? As in, satan is sort of the 'god' of evil? And that his angels are sort of a parrallel 'evil' heavenly host?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by dbrandt
God is not at all satan, nor is satan God.
Then where do the evil tendencies of satan come from, if not in some way from god?
Are you saying that the evil exists from entirely outside of god? As in, satan is sort of the 'god' of evil? And that his angels are sort of a parrallel 'evil' heavenly host?
Lucifer
...Lucifer begins in the Absolute. He (It) begins in the Omeyocan, where there exists only the YOALLI-EHECATL (Darkness and Wind).
When Lucifer (the light that comes from fire or INRI) descends, he (Lucifer, Quetzalcoatl, Xolotl etc) illuminates the manifested universe and creates every world, dimension, sephirah, realm etc.
He takes his seat at the right hand of God (Chockmah). Then, out of compassion and sacrifice sends forth his light to continue his creative work.
He establishes every corner of creation. He is Light and Sound. He descends into matter. When he descends into matter, he activates movement within the dead, uncreated matter. Thus, life can flourish within the worlds of four elements (giving every Being, or particular individual aspects of this Light a chance to realize Itself). Inside the living terrestrial beings of one, two and three brains, Lucifer dwells inside as their fire (sexual creative energy).
Inside of matter, Lucifer becomes a shadow (the Light Shineth In Darkness...). Inside the minds of Humanoids, the light becomes trapped within shells (Klippoth, egos etc.) and thus transforms into Satan, the enemy of the Light.
Lucifer then recognizes this. Lucifer gives the oppertunity for this, because Lucifer is Light and Fire. Lucifer gives the soul the ability to recognize oneself in the darkness and even become liberated from it. Thus, with Lucifer, Satan was created. With Lucifer, Satan can be destroyed. With Lucifer we can become lost in the abyss. With Lucifer we can reach the highest heights of creation.
We should not be afraid of Lucifer. His potency is inside of our sexual glands but his essence is in everything created.
Do you understand this?
Originally posted by Tamahu
Lucifer
...Lucifer begins in the Absolute. He (It) begins in the Omeyocan, where there exists only the YOALLI-EHECATL (Darkness and Wind)...
Do you understand this?
Not really. Care to share your source material?
Peace,
LS
[edit on 19-6-2006 by Tamahu]
Originally posted by dbrandt
Ezekiel 28
lightseeker
No. Satan, whose original name was Lucifer,
he Bible tells us that millenia ago Lucifer rebelled against God
Lucifer planned to overthrow God's reign and take over His throne
Satan does not possess omnicience, omnipotence or any other of God's attributes.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Lucifer planned to overthrow God's reign and take over His throne
Originally posted by babloyi
It is an interesting thing that according to Christianity, God gave us free will, because it would not be "right" to be just brainless servants. However, the only way we can be "right" is by discarding our free will, and becoming brainless servants "willingly".
Originally posted by dbrandt
Originally posted by Nygdan
Lucifer planned to overthrow God's reign and take over His throne
Isaiah 14:[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (Strong's #H1966) , son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
(Isaiah 14:12 KJV)
H1966
הילל
hêylêl
hay-lale'
From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning star
The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house.(Genesis 12:15 KJV)
And he changed his behaviour before them, and feigned himself mad in their hands, and scrabbled on the doors of the gate, and let his spittle fall down upon his beard. (1 Samuel 21:13 KJV)
But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him. (2 Samuel 14:25 KJV)
Strong's:
H1984
הלל
hâlal
haw-lal'
A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify: - (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
Originally posted by Tamahu
He takes his seat at the right hand of God (Chockmah). Then, out of compassion and sacrifice sends forth his light to continue his creative work.
He establishes every corner of creation. He is Light and Sound.
thus transforms into Satan, the enemy of the Light.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
(2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV)
But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. (Matthew 20:26-28 KJV)
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
(Luke 10:18 KJV)
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(Matthew 24:27 KJV)
Lucifer gives the soul the ability to recognize oneself in the darkness and even become liberated from it.
Do you understand this?
Originally posted by queenannie38
Does that give you any better of an understanding about who Lucifer really is?
Because until you see Lucifer clearly, you will not see God at all....
lightseeker wrote
Not really. Care to share your source material?
IS PLEROMA SATAN'S LAIR?
"Lucifer, the Astral Light . . . . is an intermediate force existing in all creation, it serves to create and to destroy, and the Fall of Adam was an erotic intoxication which has rendered his generation a slave to this fatal light . . . every sexual passion that overpowers our senses is a whirlwind of that light which seeks to drag us towards the abyss of death, Folly. Hallucinations, visions, ecstasies are all forms of a very dangerous excitation due to this interior phosphorus (?). Thus light, finally, is of the nature of fire, the intelligent use of which warms and vivifies, and the excess of which, on the contrary, dissolves and annihilates. Thus man is called upon to assume a sovereign empire over that (astral) light and conquer thereby his immortality, and is threatened at the same time with being intoxicated, absorbed, and eternally destroyed by it. This light, therefore, inasmuch as it is devouring, revengeful, and fatal, would thus really be hell-fire, the serpent of the legend; the tormented errors of which it is full, the tears and the gnashing of teeth of the abortive beings it devours, the phantom of life that escapes them, and seems to mock and insult their agony, all this would be the devil or Satan indeed." (Histoire de la Magie, p. 197).
Originally posted by Enkidu
Still, Satan is a good thing on which to blame your own failings -- "The Devil made me do it!" -- rather than take personal responsibility and face the consequences. People are like that.
Originally posted by dbrandt
People sin by nature, habit and choice. That is the cycle that needs to be broken and that only comes about through the forgiveness of sin.