Should Israel Have Nukes???

umm...
no not really..
Saudi Arabia will soon be comparable in conventional terms..

But no matter who has what armies, it's men not machines that win battles and ultimately wins the war.

For all their current training and equipment unfortunately, the mindset of the Arab still is to run away, when the going gets tough.

Hmmm, 'should Israel have nukes'?

Dropped on it, maybe.

I wouldn't give them the s*** off the bottom of my shoe, Reprehensible country.

You'd think after the suffering of their people during the War at the hands of the Nazi's they'd be the last country to go round dishing it out in the name of 'defence'.

Two faced liars that they are, of course families picnicing on a beach are a threat to national security aren't they? Tossers.

[edit on 22-6-2006 by waynos]

Absolutely not.


Their program was done illegally. There is no one country in the world that should be above the laws. Ideally the world would be a much safer place if all countries would disarm but we know this will never happen. If one country is allowed then other countries should have the right as well then. wmd's are dangerous in anyones hands. There is no safety in these types of weapons.

why the hell do we have so power full weapone?, it destroy our planat. and its our home, our onely home. It like if you blowing a bomb iside your house, is just crazy

Originally posted by waynos
Hmmm, 'should Israel have nukes'?

Dropped on it, maybe.

I wouldn't give them the s*** off the bottom of my shoe, Reprehensible country.

You'd think after the suffering of their people during the War at the hands of the Nazi's they'd be the last country to go round dishing it out in the name of 'defence'.

Two faced liars that they are, of course families picnicing on a beach are a threat to national security aren't they? Tossers.

[edit on 22-6-2006 by waynos]

I sniff racism there Waynos. I would give ISrael some nukes to defend itself against Iran for example just as a deterrance.

The real question is exactly what type of nuclear warhead yield Israel have in their hidden nuclear arsenal? Is it low-yield or high-yield?

If it low-yield, then Israel's enemies would have nothing to worry about. It is the high-yield they should be worried. Very worried.

Which is why Iran is actively developing nuclear warheads in secret. Whether they can make it a low-yield or high-yield is unknown at this point.

[edit on 6/25/2006 by pawnplayer]

I'm not racist in the slightest, although I accept my 'dropped on it' comment was a touch OTT.

My opinion of Israel is nothing to do with who they are but how the country acts. Shooting families and indiscriminate bombings is despicable and their 'they did it to us' attitude is what you expect from little kids in the playground. THEY are the ones illegally occupying Palestinian territory so the International community should take sanctions against them and force them out, but of course they wont because they are 'on our side'. Hypocrisy makes me sick. When the French did it to the Germans they were 'resistance fighters', when Palestinians do it they are terrorists. Maybe we should have reacted to the IRA by launching air strikes and naval bombardments on Ireland? Of course not. Israel stinks.

Originally posted by pawnplayer
The real question is exactly what type of nuclear warhead yield Israel have in their hidden nuclear arsenal? Is it low-yield or high-yield?

If it low-yield, then Israel's enemies would have nothing to worry about. It is the high-yield they should be worried. Very worried.

Which is why Iran is actively developing nuclear warheads in secret. Whether they can make it a low-yield or high-yield is unknown at this point.

[edit on 6/25/2006 by pawnplayer]

Hey guy - get real, will you?!

So you think a city and it's inhabitants getting melted away by a 'low yield' weapon, is less of a threat than that of a 'high yield' weapon.

Jesus, when will you armchair specialists get it through your heads that it does not really matter if the weapon detonated is an Free Flight B21 Iron Bomb, a Cruise Missile, an ICBM or whatever.

A Nuclear Weapon is a Nuclear weapon. The resulting Radiation is dirty (the military name) for fallout. Whether or not it is detonated as a Ground Burst (very dirty) or as an Air Burst (slightly dirty until the radiation returns to earth, then very dirty) - it does not really matter.

It will still incinerate a city and it's inhabitants, irrespective of it's size.

A nuclear armed Israel does nothing to help stabilize the Middle East.

The Israelis have plenty of reasons to want the ultimate weapon, but our collective safety is reduced by their presence in such a dangerous and volatile region of the World.

Originally posted by waynos
I'm not racist in the slightest, although I accept my 'dropped on it' comment was a touch OTT.

My opinion of Israel is nothing to do with who they are but how the country acts. Shooting families and indiscriminate bombings is despicable and their 'they did it to us' attitude is what you expect from little kids in the playground. THEY are the ones illegally occupying Palestinian territory so the International community should take sanctions against them and force them out, but of course they wont because they are 'on our side'. Hypocrisy makes me sick. When the French did it to the Germans they were 'resistance fighters', when Palestinians do it they are terrorists. Maybe we should have reacted to the IRA by launching air strikes and naval bombardments on Ireland? Of course not. Israel stinks.

So Palestinian suicide bombers blowing themselves up in buse's and public places killing innocent men,women, and children is alright. Palestine doesn't deserve those lands in my opinion and the Palestinain lands are under self government.Israel needs nukes for hostile neighbors like Syria,Iran etc. I don't know about you but i don't want to see all those innocent ISraei's die at the hands of the brutal Iranian president.If i'm not mistaken you we're harshly insulting the Israeli people in your post before the Previous and not caring if they died,which is quite brutal to say the least.

[edit on 26-6-2006 by urmomma158]

Originally posted by HDD09
why the hell do we have so power full weapone?, it destroy our planat. and its our home, our onely home. It like if you blowing a bomb iside your house, is just crazy

because evil people wan't to build them and use them on innocents. Most people misunderstand the role of nukes. They KEEP peace by DETERRING agression and making sure war doesn't break out. Without that deterrance what's to stop Iran from nuking Israel.

Originally posted by fritz
Hey guy - get real, will you?!

So you think a city and it's inhabitants getting melted away by a 'low yield' weapon, is less of a threat than that of a 'high yield' weapon.

Jesus, when will you armchair specialists get it through your heads that it does not really matter if the weapon detonated is an Free Flight B21 Iron Bomb, a Cruise Missile, an ICBM or whatever.

A Nuclear Weapon is a Nuclear weapon. The resulting Radiation is dirty (the military name) for fallout. Whether or not it is detonated as a Ground Burst (very dirty) or as an Air Burst (slightly dirty until the radiation returns to earth, then very dirty) - it does not really matter.

It will still incinerate a city and it's inhabitants, irrespective of it's size.

Hey, don't slam me. I do not know a lot about low-yield and high-yield nuclear weapons, how much it can result in destructive manners and deadly results from the amount of nuclear materials placed inside the warheads. It all depends on how much weights of enriched uranium or plutonium materials were put into a warhead and what the designers had in mind for the detonation of nuclear ammunitions in any weapon.

I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Retseh
A nuclear armed Israel does nothing to help stabilize the Middle East.

The Israelis have plenty of reasons to want the ultimate weapon, but our collective safety is reduced by their presence in such a dangerous and volatile region of the World.

That is why Israel could neither confirm nor deny they have nuclear weapons. Remember Israel have been invaded several times since its beginning, so it would be reasonable for Israel to have every right to defend itself and come up with a real deterrence to prevent future invasions or possible WMD attacks on Israel.

That's also why Israel is keeping the "Samson Option" policy as a warning to hostile states, a reminder that regional security in the Mediterranean and the Middle Eastern areas is best served under Israel's auspicious diplomatic and foreign matters toward those with historical, religious and political hostility against Israel. Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Tunisia and Jordan finally recognized the political and peaceful benefits with Israel, although on a much mutually level of respect and recognition, even they can disagree with Israel's policies toward the Palestinians for a variety of reasons.

The destruction or demise of Israel as a democratic nation-state for the Jews would have a catastrophic effect on the Middle East. There are Jews who will make sure the "Samson Option" will be implemented with zero regrets.

So Palestinian suicide bombers blowing themselves up in buse's and public places killing innocent men,women, and children is alright.

Did I say that? No, I certainly did not. In fact I distinctly said;

Shooting families and indiscriminate bombings is despicable

So don't go twisting what I said or putting words in my mouth if you don't mind.

Don't forget that it is the Palestinian homeland that is occupied by the Israelis, they have no business being there, remember 'you reap what you sow'.

How come we were so hell bent on removing occuppying forces from Kuwait but have no problem with this? Don't worry, I know the answer. Of course an occupied people is going to fight back, why would you expect any different? Remember when Russia invaded Afghanistan? The Mujahadeen were depicted as heroic freedom fighters. How are they different from Palestinians who want their country back?

Of course I deplore the bus bombings etc but Israel is the cause of them if only you weren't too blind to see it.

Palestine doesn't deserve those lands in my opinion

What, their homeland? Their country? Who are you to decide whether a people 'deserve' their own nation? That is absolutely pathetic.

I don't know about you but i don't want to see all those innocent ISraei's die at the hands of the brutal Iranian president.If i'm not mistaken you we're harshly insulting the Israeli people in your post before the Previous and not caring if they died,which is quite brutal to say the least.

I don't want to see any innocents die, anywhere, your own decision to define that it is 'Israeli's' you don't want to see die is much more brutal in my opinion because you appear to believe that Israel is within its rights to occupy someone elses lands and slaughter its citizens when they object. Doesn't that sound more like the actions of Nazi's than a civilised democratic nation?

pawnplayer, sorry if it came out that way. Not meant to be a personal attack.

If I can point you in the general direction of the 'archives' or previous pages, you'll see I started a thread all about the Charactyeristics and Effects of a Nuclear Weapon or I suggest you try another thread I replied to, 'Nuclear Radiation'.

In reply to this question, I have tried to explain all about radiation in 'laymans' terms so that it is readily understood.

Sorry if I upset you in any way.

I feel bad the israelies. They are surrounded by hate(toward them). I feel they absolutly need nukes. I dont feel they will ever have use them.

Originally posted by WaynosDid I say that? No, I certainly did not. In fact I distinctly said;

You were saying the israeli'sdont deserve their lands.

So don't go twisting what I said or putting words in my mouth if you don't mind.

Don't forget that it is the Palestinian homeland that is occupied by the Israelis, they have no business being there, remember 'you reap what you sow'.

How come we were so hell bent on removing occuppying forces from Kuwait but have no problem with this? Don't worry, I know the answer. Of course an occupied people is going to fight back, why would you expect any different? Remember when Russia invaded Afghanistan? The Mujahadeen were depicted as heroic freedom fighters. How are they different from Palestinians who want their country back?

Of course I deplore the bus bombings etc but Israel is the cause of them if only you weren't too blind to see it.

By killing innocents and staining the name of Islam and muslims worldwide!?!??! That is brutal and evil.Past deeds only go so far,what's done is done. Do you think America will give their lands back tot he native americans? DO you thing China will give their government to the Taiwanese or democrats. I think not.

What, their homeland? Their country? Who are you to decide whether a people 'deserve' their own nation? That is absolutely pathetic.

They are under self government and are commiting atrocious acts against innocents. Their real targets should be the governemnt and not innocents.

I don't want to see any innocents die, anywhere, your own decision to define that it is 'Israeli's' you don't want to see die is much more brutal in my opinion because you appear to believe that Israel is within its rights to occupy someone elses lands and slaughter its citizens when they object. Doesn't that sound more like the actions of Nazi's than a civilised democratic nation?

You were talking about not giving Israelis anything in a disreapectful tone. You say you don't want any ionnocents to die but how is that possible when you have foes like Iran and Syria who will do whatever it takes to acquire WMD's and kill innocent Israeli's. You are full of fantasies on this issue waynos.Israel needs a good deterrant.





[edit on 29-6-2006 by urmomma158]

[edit on 29-6-2006 by urmomma158]

I am currently studying the ancient history of the Middle East in general, and the Arab-Israeli Conflict in particular detail.

What I have discovered so far, has certainly opened my eyes and when I have completed my studies, I intend to post either on this thread or start a new thread.

You were saying the israeli'sdont deserve their lands.

Uh, guy, the occupied territory is not Israeli land, thats why its called 'occupied'. It was taken illegally by Israel and it is resentement over this that leads to Israeli/Palestinian clashes today. The Israelis effectively doing to the Palestinians much (though thankfully not all) of what the Germans did to them in the 1930's and 40's. This is the hypocrisy I mentioned earlier in the thread.

By killing innocents and staining the name of Islam and muslims worldwide!?!??! That is brutal and evil.

Yes, it is, but if you can tear yourself away from the emotional knee jerk reaction terrorist bombs cause and look at the situation objectively you will at least see *why* this is happening. It isn't just because some Palestinians like dynamite (though undoubtedly some do, pretty much like in Ireland in the end).

Whether Israel gives the land back or not is a moot point, they were wrong to occupy it in the first place and having done so they kicked families out of their homes and gave them to Israeli 'settlers' in an attempt to expunge or dilute the indegenous population, therefore they have brought these atrocities on themselves, their extreme OTT reactions to each new outrage only guarantees there will be even more of them. Look at how resentment over the Versailles treaty led to the rise of Hitler and WW2, similar situation but Palestine doesn't have the innate strength of Germany.

Past deeds only go so far,what's done is done. Do you think America will give their lands back tot he native americans? DO you thing China will give their government to the Taiwanese or democrats. I think not.

What the white immigrants did in America was genocide and something Americans generally feel ashamed about in retrospect, I can't believe you are justifying the occupation with this. One evil act jusifies another? That way lies anarchy and mayhem, and it doesn't make it any less evil either.

they are under self government and are commiting atrocious acts against innocents. Their real targets should be the governemnt and not innocents.

*nominal* self goverment maybe, but they are definitely under the heel of Israel. I am not trying to justify the bombings, I am only pointing out the sheer hypocrisy and evil in Israels actions 'in response'. What about that? When Israeli military forces *deliberately* target innocent Palestinians?

Only on the news this morning a BBC reporter was interrupted on her live link by an Israeli jet flying overhead and causing a sonic boom to deliberately terrify the occupants of the city. How is that fighting back against terrorism? It IS terrorism. Thankfully, on this occasion, it was only a loud, but what about all the times it wasn't just noise?

If Israel got out of Palestine they would have nothing to fight for, then Israels moral position would be secure, however if you are going to try to subjugate a people and disposses them then you cannot complain when they fight back.

You were talking about not giving Israelis anything in a disreapectful tone. You say you don't want any ionnocents to die but how is that possible when you have foes like Iran and Syria who will do whatever it takes to acquire WMD's and kill innocent Israeli's. You are full of fantasies on this issue waynos.Israel needs a good deterrant.

You are the one full of fantasies, on past performance Israel is the most violent warmongering country in the entire region (Hussains Iraq excepted). When Israel is murdering Palestinian men women and kids (in revenge for their own dead, I know its not one sided) how is that fighting against Syria and Iran? More, how is it supposed to bring an end to the violence? because every time a Palestinian dies there are going to be bitter grieving relatives and friends left behind who swear to get revenge for THIER loved one, and so the wholoe murderous cycle continues for ever and ever.

It is Madness and Israel perpetuates it just as much as the terrorist bombers do! Get a clue man.



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