posted on Jun, 17 2007 @ 07:15 PM
Interview with a European Scientist - Credible?
I think this is more illuminating than the "straws", no?
An Interview with Archaeologist Doc. dr. Predrag Novaković
Assistant Professor, Department of Archaeology, Faculty of Arts, Ljubljana
and Secretary of EAA (European Association Of Archaeologists)
M: You said you had only spent 30 minutes in Visoko. Why didn't you spend some more time there?
N: Yes, 30 minutes is enough for everyone to see the things that absolutely have nothing to do with construction in the early age, it's enough time
to see it, and some things don't even need to be seen because from the texts you can see how absurd it is.
M: Professor Novakovic, I was at the Pyramid of the Moon or Pljesevica Hill if you like, and I was at the plateau and up there it really looks like
things have been man-made. How do you explain that?
N: I haven't been there and I haven't seen what it is, but on Visocica I have seen an obvious natural phenomenon when nature forms the layers that
really look like…
M: So, professor Novakovic, all of that is a natural formation?
N: What I have seen on Visocica is.
M: If everything is natural, why did you make petitions?
N: Because the excavations are made there and a ritual history is promoted, which doesn't have anything to do with common sense.
M: But that's not illegal.
N: I don't know about the illegal, but those excavations have to be an end-result of permits that had to be issued by an Institute for Protection of
the Monuments of some culture or some other…
M: When you talk about monuments of some culture, you mean the Old City?
N: No, I'm talking about permits they need to have for the excavations…
M: Yes, but what are they destroying there?
N: They are destroying…
M: But what?
N: What they have dug out, they only made one assessment…
M: They publish everything on their website.
N: Yes, but we haven't seen any findings or objects.
M: Yes, but how do they find them when people sign the petitions?
N: Listen, they have excavated so much and if it really was a pyramid, they should've found hundreds and thousands of artifacts, which proves how
much that whole thing is…
M: Maybe they will find them in the tunnels.
N: Look, so far we have nothing, and they have excavated so much that they should've found something, even from the later age… After all, Bosnia is
[archaeologically] so rich and it is absolutely absurd that no artifacts have been found.
M: Prof. Novakovic, please explain how someone can ask for the artifacts and analysis when they want the excavations to be stopped.
N: So far they have excavated so much, too much even…
M: But excavations were banned long before they started.
N: That's because neither the technical nor the scientific references of the researches, nor the methodical system have been presented as they
normally are in all other states.
M: But we have professors, doctors, professors from Egypt who did the analyses.
N: That professor from Egypt is not an Egyptologist; he's nothing but a geologist.
M: I have met Professor Muhammad Ibrahim Ali…
N: Yes, but the major Egyptologist has stated that all of that is nonsense.
M: That was a lie, though. Mr. Osmanagic has been to Egypt two or three weeks ago; you're talking about Mr. Hawass and he has regaled Mr. Osmanagic,
and has nothing against the project and said that it was all okay.
N: The person who is the greatest expert for the pyramids in Egypt has said that all of that is nonsense and I have no reason not to believe that.
M: But why would the same man be a host to Mr. Osmanagic? You have read some false news.
N: I doubt they were false.
M: I don't.
N: The well-known professor has written…
M: Let's say it's true what you have just said. How do you explain Muhammad Ibrahim Ali; I have been there and met him. What he looked at and what
he saw, he said it was man-made, not naturally but man-made.
N: Listen, you can quote whomever you like…
M: But he was sent by Mr. Hawass.
N: Things simply cannot be the way they have been first presented. More and more money is wasted for a project…
M: You also said that Mr. Osmanagic is wasting public funds, but do you know that the State invests less than 10% in this project?
N: Even if it's 1%, it's too much.
M: Why, if it's a matter of archaeology?
N: Because the State should invest money for other, more real, archaeological projects.
M: Such as?
N: I don't know; there are so many archaeological things to be done.
M: Such as?
N: Like de-mining archaeological locations.
M: Which ones?
N: Like Mile in Visoko, but there is a lot of such monuments.
M: When you mention the monuments, I want to know which ones you mean.
N: What do you mean which ones?
M: You said that Foundation wastes a lot of money.
N: That's right. Those are the facts.
M: What should it spend on, then?
N: Not the Foundation, but the State. The State should organize a unique system of protecting the cultural monuments.
M: Which ones? Do you know that the Old City was neglected?
N: This is a reason enough to form a better system. I'm not saying that the old system was good, but that it needs to be modernized and improved,
which requires a monetary fund. There is an archaeological map of Bosnia and Herzegovina within seven large books where you can find a thousand of
M: So you Prof. Novakovic think that those are nothing but hills in Visoko.
N: Archaeological locations could exist there, but they have nothing to do with the pyramids.
M: If they are nothing but hills, why did you sign the petitions?
N: Because excavations are made without an expert supervision, while large amounts of money are wasted.
M: They have Dr. Ramovic who is a geologist, and Enver Buza and other experts; Construction Institute from Tuzla has confirmed…
N: They need to have the permits.
M: They do have them.
M: Not maybe, they do.
N: It's just that the entire system of monument's protection in Bosnia is not set properly so it can't function properly either. In such cases
occur excavations like those at Visocica.
M: So you think that those excavations are not okay. Right, onto the next question. How do you explain the tunnels?
N: Those tunnels could have been constructed in various periods of time.
M: Professor Novakovic, there are tunnel junctions too.
N: When were they made? Tell me.
M: That's what I'm asking you. You're the archaeologist.
N: You said you were there.
M: I said that because I was there.
N: So was I but I'd like to say…
M: Alright, I apologize.
N: I don't know anything about those tunnels.
M: So you can't give me an explanation.
N: I've never even tried to give an explanation as I have no opinion of it at all.