Immigration laws to start civil war?, page 2
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reply posted on 26-3-2006 @ 09:03 PM by Street Scholar
Originally posted by Intelearthling
You can count a revolution out. A revolution would be a revolt against the government by its citizens, which is something that will never happen given the circumstances that the people is our government.


Not to hijack my own thread, but this is an arguable point. I disagree that our government is the people anymore; we live in a representative democratic republic. The truth of the matter is that we may elect people to fulfill our wishes, but that does not guarantee action. More and more people are realizing they have no control apart from their one (seemingly useless) vote, and if antagonistic events happened do you think no one would act?

Back to the main subject, what I was hoping people would respond to is the possibility of outside forces exacerbating a peaceful situation into a violent one. We all see these demonstrations going by without violence (thankfully), but if these laws are passed the demonstrations won’t stop. Hopefully they would remain peaceful, but who’s to say they would? And what’s stopping some radicalized group from going in and stirring up trouble? It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen it.

My problem is that we’ve allowed (and profited from) the creation of a new subclass of people. They are our lifetime’s indentured servants and they want rights too, but unlike indentured servants of the old I don’t think they deserve the automatic rights they ask for.

The question is not is this a problem; it is how do we fix this problem? I agree that legislation is doing too much in one fell swoop and the problem needs to be addressed in phases. Those phases I do not know.



reply posted on 26-3-2006 @ 09:06 PM by Rasobasi420
Originally posted by WestPoint23
No, when a species is invade by foreigners that pillage and plunder its social systems, wealth, and way of life then you have war!

True, when animals incroach on claimed territory then there is often conflict. Usually that conflict consosts mostly on bluffing and some sort of display. Neither the incroaching animal, nor the one defending want to damage themselves, it's too dangerous.
I don't care how messed up Mexico is, that is not my nor the USA’s problem.

Obviously now it is, so lets try to fix this problem shall we.
Let the people of Mexico fix their own country instad of screwing ours.

Well, that doesn't seem to be working. Right now we would do well to help them save their own country so they don't "screw" ours, as you so delicately put it. I'm sure you don't think the Mexican people are screwing up our country. I'll let that go as a poor choice of words.

They don't have some god given right to Illegally waltz in here because their poor excuse for a country just so happens to be next to ours. If they want to come in here then they should get in line behind the millions of others who are waiting to legally enter the US.

If there are any God given rights, they would be to live free, have food in your belly, and not fear that your next day will be your last, or your childrens last. I'm sure that God given rights extend to everyone, not just Americans. And I'm sure God doesn't look down on the world and see the borders that we do.


reply posted on 26-3-2006 @ 11:50 PM by Amethyst
Originally posted by boogyman
If legal immigrants are ok but "illegal" immigrants are not why not just simplify matters and get rid of the laws that make them illegal in the first place?


Because illegals SNEAK in and get paid under the table. I'm for a moratorium on legal immigration, btw, until the dust settles. 40 years ago we had limits on the numbers that could come in. Now we're exporting jobs and importing more people--how much sense does that make? Try none.

I'm sorry but I can not take the claims of the anti-immigrant groups seriously simply for the fact that its the same old song and dance thats been repeated ad nauseum since day one. The same things people say about Mexicans now were said about Italians when they first came over. Literally the same exact things, everything from they don't assimilate to they drive the crime rate up. Its a load of BS in my opinion. A fad thats come in and out of popularity depending on the political mood of the country.


We're anti-ILLEGAL-immigration, not anti-LEGAL-immigration, need to get that straight!

You better believe they don't assimilate! Here in Ohio, our ATMs, you have to pick between English and Spanish--and last I checked, there aren't that many Hispanics in my part of the states!

And yes, illegals do drive the crime rate up. As I pointed out elsewhere, there are places in MARYLAND where cops won't go!

I'd check out newswithviews.com if I were you--and go read Frosty Wooldridge's articles.


reply posted on 26-3-2006 @ 11:57 PM by notbuynit
Here's why we have a huge immigration problem. You've got a rich white elite class running Mexico headed by Fox. What was it Fox said about American blacks a few months ago? Mexico is one of the most corrupt nations in the world. You have a huge nation richer in natural resources than the US and yet most of it's nation remains in poverty. Notice that most if not all the illegals crossing over are far darker than the man running Mexico. Who would change things in Mexico? Who would fight the corruption and racism in Mexico? The enormous poor class.

It's not a worry though. The elite in Mexico, in order to not find themselves drug into the streets and beaten like they should be, have installed a plan to reduce the numbers of those that would overthrow them. Send them north and that's exactly what you're seeing. They ease the poverty class in Mexico while gaining huge amounts of money from Mexicans sending money back.

The US is aiding them in this effort for two reasons: cheap labor and stability in Mexico. Cheap labor is an easy one. It's pretty freaking dificult to put together so many people to protest anything, let alone immigration. So who is behind these "marches"? Let's take a look at la raza. This is their CBA
www.nclr.org... Wow! Look at them corps. backing la raza out of the goodness of their hearts. Yea, right. More like trying to keep profits up by keeping hourly pay down.

Mexico has a long history of violence and social upheaval. Right now that would be the last thing this country needs. So it puts us between a rock and hard place.

I'm not against immigration. This country needs a balanced migration from people from all over the world. What I'm against is a massive encroachment on our territory. It's not fair that you have millions of Mexicans taking advantage of a loose border while millions across the planet patiently await their turn.

A very large percentage come across with no intention of becoming citizens. That's not a good thing. You have a massive number of people residing in this nation not loyal to it at all. That in itself is a time bomb. It's a huge burden on fed. state and local govts. Do you realize illegal aliens make up 25% of the federal prison polulation? Look up what percentage they make in state prisons, particularly in western states. You shouldn't have to look this stuff up. The media should be reporting on this but they choose not to.

The single greatest right a nation has is the security of it's borders and yet we're told we don't have that right. We're told we can't place soldiers on our borders because it would be against the law. That's complete bunk. They wouldn't be there to arrest US citizens. What is a military for if not defending a nations borders?


reply posted on 27-3-2006 @ 12:16 AM by Simon_Boudreaux
Originally posted by boogyman
By the way our country is very far from being full last time I checked there were huge swathes of underpopulated land running all throughout the middle of this huge country I am proud to call home.


Most of those huge swatches of underpopulated land are most likely farms or parts of farms.Or are woodlands that are home to countless species of wildlife.
I live out in the middle of nowhere and I love the fact that I look outside and see nothing but woods and wildlife.I would hate to see it ruined for more homes.


How many here illegally now are gang members?
Mexican gangs

Close the borders completely,round up every illegal in the country..yeah yeah I know that'll take time and resources...deport all the illegals and let the people that are tryin to come to our country the legal way in.

I mean come on it's not really fair that there are people that want to come here the right way and having to wait sometimes years if they get to come here at all while there are many more coming here without us even knowing it.Doing god knows what once they get here!

I worked with a young lady that came here legally from Mexico.She works two jobs and goes to school.What does she take at school?English Language and American Government.She also has hopes of becoming a registered nurse.Now that is the type of person I would welcome to America with open arms


I hope the protests remain peaceful...but are they protesting the enforcement of laws already on the books?Or are there new laws in the works?I didn't catch it anywhere.
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